Should BASS disqualify John Cox ?

[BassNJake]

He fished in the BPT event at the St Lawrence River this week.

Which is during the off limits period for BASS anglers as they will fish there in 2 weeks.

The BPT event took out of Messena NY and BASS will launch from Waddington approx 20 miles away.

 

Allegedly there was a vote and half of the BASS field wants him disqualified from the event.

 

Should he get to fish or not?

 

For me even though I like the guy, I say no.

Rules are rules .

[Team9nine]

Agreed - I've read a lot about this subject on other forums and all the good arguments fall on the side of having to disqualify him, unfortunately. Wish we could go back to the days of the "two tour" pros myself.

[Tennessee Boy]

20 miles is pretty close.  So what exactly is the rule?

[redux]

BASS knew about Cox fishing this event at the beginning of the season and should have made a ruling then. Leaving it til after he fishes the event and letting it create division amongst the anglers is poor leadership.

 

I think he should be disquailified per the rules, but BASS dropped the ball letting it get to this point.

[12poundbass]

1 hour ago, redux said:

BASS knew about Cox fishing this event at the beginning of the season and should have made a ruling then. Leaving it til after he fishes the event and letting it create division amongst the anglers is poor leadership.

 

I think he should be disquailified per the rules, but BASS dropped the ball letting it get to this point.

I agree with this. 

[TnRiver46]

Ole John will be smiling either way 

[RichF]

He definitely should not be able to fish.  That's a pretty cut and dry rule.  I'm guessing we all listened to Luke Dunkin's podcast where they talked about this?  Can we discuss the real juice...the fact that Jon straight up admitted to purposely screwing over his co-angler in an old tournament so his other co-angler buddy could win the event???  

[GReb]

I’m in agreement with disqualifying him but let’s not dismiss the fact that probably every Elite series guy was glued to MLF live each day.

 

Which leads me to wonder, assuming Cox did not go back and watch the MLF coverage, what is more advantageous? Being on the water for a week or watching the field on Live throughout the event?  I’m sure most would pick on the water if given the choice but let’s not discount the knowledge watching Live provided those guys. 

[BassNJake]

On 7/1/2021 at 10:09 PM, RichF said:

He definitely should not be able to fish.  That's a pretty cut and dry rule.  I'm guessing we all listened to Luke Dunkin's podcast where they talked about this?  Can we discuss the real juice...the fact that Jon straight up admitted to purposely screwing over his co-angler in an old tournament so his other co-angler buddy could win the event???  

Thats the problem with the co angler thing- you're at the mercy of the guy driving the boat.

Although he "screwed" his co angler, he did so within the framework of the rules.

[BassNJake]

On 7/1/2021 at 6:18 PM, redux said:

BASS knew about Cox fishing this event at the beginning of the season and should have made a ruling then. Leaving it til after he fishes the event and letting it create division amongst the anglers is poor leadership.

 

I think he should be disquailified per the rules, but BASS dropped the ball letting it get to this point.

It could be that BASS is taking the stand of we are not having a separate special ruling

Next thing you know, more people are gonna have some sort of circumstance come up and they are gonna want a special ruling too.

[padon]

yeah i like the guy but thats the rule. i say he should not be able to fish. when you start bending the rules and making exceptions it always leads to a bigger mess later. 

[Kyled1100]

On 7/4/2021 at 12:33 PM, BassNJake said:

It could be that BASS is taking the stand of we are not having a separate special ruling

Next thing you know, more people are gonna have some sort of circumstance come up and they are gonna want a special ruling too.

Well that screwed up on bass part. They should came out months ago letting him know what will happen if he fished the bpt event. He could made option what to do when that event came around. If John miss last event of bass he drops out of chance fish for the 2022 classic. He could decide to not fish mlf at St.Lawrence, he would been still in the top 40 in points going into last two bpt events. 
 

funny mlf anglers not crying about him fishing the bass chamberlain event this week and bpt going there in the off limit time frame. 

[BassNJake]

15 minutes ago, Kyled1100 said:

Well that screwed up on bass part. They should came out months ago letting him know what will happen if he fished the bpt event. He could made option what to do when that event came around. If John miss last event of bass he drops out of chance fish for the 2022 classic. He could decide to not fish mlf at St.Lawrence, he would been still in the top 40 in points going into last two bpt events. 
 

funny mlf anglers not crying about him fishing the bass chamberlain event this week and bpt going there in the off limit time frame. 

I think they made the ruling when they wrote the rules, no special exemptions ever.

Why have a rule when people can try to come up with some type of excuse to get around it?

 

To me it just shows that BASS is a professional organization that has a set of rules that applies to everyone.

 

By the BPT scheduling Cox to fish with group B so he wouldn't miss any BPT tourney time, makes me wonder what other type of "special" circumstances can individuals get and it completely eliminates the fairness of who fishes group A or Group B.

[Kyled1100]

2 minutes ago, BassNJake said:

I think they made the ruling when they wrote the rules, no special exemptions ever.

Why have a rule when people can try to come up with some type of excuse to get around it?

 

To me it just shows that BASS is a professional organization that has a set of rules that applies to everyone.

 

By the BPT scheduling Cox to fish with group B so he wouldn't miss any BPT tourney time, makes me wonder what other type of "special" circumstances can individuals get and it completely eliminates the fairness of who fishes group A or Group B.

No it shows how unprofessional B.a.s.s. is. It’s the anglers that are pushing for him be disqualified. A true professional organization would have brought this matter up months head of time, like how MLF did! 

[BassNJake]

6 minutes ago, Kyled1100 said:

No it shows how unprofessional B.a.s.s. is. It’s the anglers that are pushing for him be disqualified. A true professional organization would have brought this matter up months head of time, like how MLF did! 

BASS has an off limits rule, it does not get broken until he fishes in the event.

The anglers allegedly voted and it is rumored approx 50% voted that the rule be upheld.

 

So the narrative that the anglers are pushing this is false because the organization already has a rule in effect.

 

Is it true that BPT gave John Cox preferential treatment by placing him in group B when no one else gets to dictate which group they fish in?

[RichF]

The BPT is a tour built on special preference!  It was literally formed by special invite.  How is that professional?! Hahahaha

 

 

[padon]

1 hour ago, Kyled1100 said:

No it shows how unprofessional B.a.s.s. is. It’s the anglers that are pushing for him be disqualified. A true professional organization would have brought this matter up months head of time, like how MLF did! 

im sure cox was made aware buy BASS that if he fished the event he could /would be disqualified im sure he wasnt shocked. even though its his responsability to read and know the rules.

[jbsoonerfan]

I bet John Cox isn't nearly as worried about this as all the guys on the internet are. 

[12poundbass]

1 hour ago, jbsoonerfan said:

I bet John Cox isn't nearly as worried about this as all the guys on the internet are. 

Very true. 

[Boomstick]

On 7/1/2021 at 6:18 PM, redux said:

I think he should be disquailified per the rules, but BASS dropped the ball letting it get to this point.

I agree, I mean rules are rules. If they won't be enforced, remove them.

[Columbia Craw]

It’s a business.

[RichF]

On 7/5/2021 at 5:47 PM, jbsoonerfan said:

I bet John Cox isn't nearly as worried about this as all the guys on the internet 

If he wasn't, none of us guys on the internet would even know. 

[jbsoonerfan]

2 minutes ago, RichF said:

If he wasn't, none of us guys on the internet would even know. 

That makes zero sense, people obviously connected the two events and wondered what BASS would do. He knew the rule but was told it would be reviewed later.

 

Since the decision has been made that he won't be allowed to fish, he doesn't seem too upset. He said the only thing was that BASS wasn't even sure they would be going there when it was brought up at the beginning of the year. Said he will know which ones to skip now.

 

"I did bring it up at the beginning, but they (B.A.S.S.) weren't sure either. They said they'd look at it when it got closer, but it was never set in stone what it was going to be. At that time, nobody knew if we were even going to end up going (to New York)."

 

"I'm sure there's going to be some that overlap, but I'll just be wiser about the ones I skip. I just want to be sure up front without any 'maybes.' If everything's good, I'm okay with skipping certain events."

[RichF]

13 minutes ago, jbsoonerfan said:

That makes zero sense, people obviously connected the two events and wondered what BASS would do. He knew the rule but was told it would be reviewed later.

 

Since the decision has been made that he won't be allowed to fish, he doesn't seem too upset. He said the only thing was that BASS wasn't even sure they would be going there when it was brought up at the beginning of the year. Said he will know which ones to skip now.

 

"I did bring it up at the beginning, but they (B.A.S.S.) weren't sure either. They said they'd look at it when it got closer, but it was never set in stone what it was going to be. At that time, nobody knew if we were even going to end up going (to New York)."

 

"I'm sure there's going to be some that overlap, but I'll just be wiser about the ones I skip. I just want to be sure up front without any 'maybes.' If everything's good, I'm okay with skipping certain events."

He seemed fairly critical on Dunkins podcast, in that smiley, Jon Cox manner. But no, you're probably right.  He probably doesn't care.  It's just a classic spot. Not like these guys are "literally doing this for a living."  Fans of the sport have no business discussing what goes on in the sport, especially on the internet.

[jbsoonerfan]

7 minutes ago, RichF said:

He seemed fairly critical on Dunkins podcast, in that smiley, Jon Cox manner. But no, you're probably right.  He probably doesn't care.  It's just a classic spot. Not like these guys are "literally doing this for a living."  Fans of the sport have no business discussing what goes on in the sport, especially on the internet.

LOL, we all know you hate BPT/MLF.