Braid on Bait caster

[Eric 26]

4 hours ago, KCFinesse said:

AND the blue on blue trim just looks mean! 

I was thinking the same thing ?

[jrfuda]

17 hours ago, CrankFate said:

I cast down to the arbor all the time with braid. I have never had a slippage issue. 

Me too - mostly on my frog rod. I always wrap two or three times in the opposite of the "reel in" direction before I tie my arbor knot. I've never had a slipping issue on a baitcaster or spinning rod. However, while I've not done it yet, I do see how it can save money on braid for rods where it is unlikely you'd line out - probably my flipping/pitching rig.

[Deephaven]

17 hours ago, PressuredFishing said:

Sure you should use a backing but personally braid is more of a hassle than it's worth, poor knot tying quality and always hastlijg with leaders, I'd go straight floor, but if you can't afford that a coplomer or mono.  Sure braid has its uses for flipping pitching and especially saltwater but it's overrated for most applications. Think about this, do you really wanna tie a fg or Alberto knot every time you break off? And just look at how many pros and normal anglers lost their pb because of braids poor knotting quality

If I had to choose to only use braid or flouro there is no way in hell I would choose flouro.  Braid is superior in so many ways that it highly counteracts it's negatives

[Team9nine]

If I had to choose to only use braid or flouro there is no way in hell I would choose braid. Fluoro is superior in so many ways that it highly counteracts it's negatives

[Mike L]

16 minutes ago, Team9nine said:

If I had to choose to only use braid or flouro there is no way in hell I would choose braid. Fluoro is superior in so many ways that it highly counteracts it's negatives

Absolutely!

Of all the different types of fishing line sold braid is more of a “specialty” line. 
It excels for only a small number of specific techniques. 

 

 

 

 

Mike
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[DaubsNU1]

18 hours ago, Koz said:

I strongly disagree.

 

In fact, more and more pros on the MLF tour are using braid for all applications.

 

100% agree.

 

I've been fishing braid on my bait-casters exclusively since the 1990's...without any leaders. Just straight braid.

 

Fished Mono on my spinning rods until about two months ago...then switched to all hi-visibility yellow braid to a fluorocarbon leader.

 

Every rod I own now has braid, or braid-to-leader. 

 

 

[Dens228]

18 hours ago, TcRoc said:

Yup gone down to 15lb  with no issues on a baitcaster braid . Zero issues. 

I use 20 lb Smackdown for crankbaits and jerkbaits.  Second year with it and no issues. 

30 lb Smackdown for pretty much everything else except punching and frogging for which I use 50 lb.

The only issue I've had with the 20 is since it's very limp it can foul the treble hooks every once in awhile.  Solved by a short mono leader.  As far as digging in and causing backlash or snapping off lures, no.   Line slipping on the spool?  No.  Have I ever backlashed?  Of course, but hasn't just about everyone with every type of line? And despite a fear of jinxing myself I don't think I've backlashed yet this year.......well until tomorrow now! LOL  

[WRB]

You all think Braid is something new, the truth is it’s older then monofilament line.

My 1st bait casting reels were Langley 330 or 340 had  light weight aluminum drilled spools. The line was Ashaway braid Dacron line tied through the spool holes. The reels held 50 yards 10 10 lb braid. As soon as premium mono came out in the early 60’s, off came the braid.

I liked braid for cutting through aquatic plants and backing to increase line capacity for off shore tuna and marlin fishing. 

Braid is lighter weight the mono and smaller in diameter per lb test. Using larger diameter braid for backing reduces the loaded spool weight improving casting distance slightly.

Rods aren’t sensitive fingers tips are, rely on those and the stuff between your ears.

Tom

 

 

 

 

[CrankFate]

8 hours ago, jrfuda said:

Me too - mostly on my frog rod. I always wrap two or three times in the opposite of the "reel in" direction before I tie my arbor knot. I've never had a slipping issue on a baitcaster or spinning rod. However, while I've not done it yet, I do see how it can save money on braid for rods where it is unlikely you'd line out - probably my flipping/pitching rig.

I can’t. Just knowing that there’s an extra knot in there bothers me. 

50 minutes ago, WRB said:

You all think Braid is something new, the truth is it’s older then monofilament line.

My father was fishing it most of my life. People would see it and tell him he was crazy for fishing with “string.”

[Dumbbassanglr]

I use braid on all my reels except for finesse spinning I use braid to leader. No problems. But a lot of benefits like longer casting, more sensitivity and hardly ever breaking off. I do think flouro is better around wood but it’s not a deal breaker for me. 

[bulldog1935]

You all think?  - again, clairvoyance is very unlikely.  

The state of braided lines in 1881  

Silk was used for finer lines, and linen cuttyhunk for squidding lines to 100-lbs.  

 

Braid to mono leader is certainly nothing new.  The first monofilament leader was silk gut - they pulled a silkworm apart to make it.   You had to soak it overnight, and take it fishing on carded storage spools inside  a cast tin, with a wet wool pad to keep it moist.  

 

Note these gut leaders are made to loop on - they come with a pre-tied loop at each end.  

 

What's new is the composition and manufacture of woven and fused polyethylene fiber; postwar nylon; and fluorocarbon in the new millennium.  But the process is so old, Japanese PE# for sizing braid is the same scale they established for woven silk thread.  

Even fishing tiny diameter thread in XUL goes back before WWII - it was called threadlining first in prewar UK, and has its separate histories on every side of every shore.    

 

Prewar freespool finesse baitcaster with shallow balsa arbor and 4-lb braided silk.  

  

[Boomstick]

On 7/1/2021 at 8:19 AM, TcRoc said:

People swearing you need a mono backing for braid that’s there thing.

The Tatula SV reels are supposed to not slip when you tie braid straight on - and I've done it and haven't had any issues. Alternatively, if you can tie to the spool you don't need backing, and if not, use electrical tape. If you have a large spool, it may be a good idea to use backing and save some money in the long run.

I pretty much only use braid on casting gear only for when it's needed myself, but I understand why many prefer it.

On 7/1/2021 at 8:44 PM, WRB said:

You all think Braid is something new, the truth is it’s older then monofilament line.

My first rod and reel was an old combo my dad had when he was a kid that may have belonged to one of his older brothers before him that was probably from the 1940s. It sat in my grandfathers basement for years. And guess what? It had braid on it.

[Hammer 4]

I had 40 lb braid on my old Curado 301 E7. Never used any backing, and never had any slip issues. If the spool has holes in it, loop the braid through it and tie a slip knot, done deal.

[TcRoc]

8 hours ago, Boomstick said:

The Tatula SV reels are supposed to not slip when you tie braid straight on - and I've done it and haven't had any issues. Alternatively, if you can tie to the spool you don't need backing, and if not, use electrical tape. If you have a large spool, it may be a good idea to use backing and save some money in the long run.

 

 I use a piece of Electrical tape to cover my knot.  Just as many straight line guys out there as there is main line to backing guys.. again I reverse my line when I want.. that’s my saving money In the long run. Some guys want the backing to save money. That’s cool. Leaders zero issues. Again no right no wrong. I have straight flouro on 1 reel. I like braid on the others and braid to flouro leader on a couple.That’s me. Do I experiment? Yep. Will I have more Flouro on reels.. I’m sure. All comes down to opinion.. even the pros all have different opinions on this.. what works for them is different and or  prefer is different from the next guy. 

[scaleface]

On 6/30/2021 at 8:43 PM, the reel ess said:

Use 30# braid for standard techniques and 50# min. for frogs. 

I'm thinking of going to 30 for frogs I use 50 now . It would cast better and I dont think I would have to change the way I fight the fish .