gbassman519 Posted June 30, 2021 Posted June 30, 2021 can i leave reel half of mona and than put on braid ? will i still have good sensitivity of the braid if i'am useing this for a Carolina rig ? Quote
Deephaven Posted June 30, 2021 Posted June 30, 2021 You MUST have backing to put on braid. Braid sensitivity is WAY, WAY, WAY better than mono for Crigs. 3 Quote
Super User MN Fisher Posted June 30, 2021 Super User Posted June 30, 2021 This is pretty typical for those of us using braid - it's called 'backing'. Put mono on the spool to the point where you only need 70-90yds of braid to fill it. Saves money when you use an inexpensive mono like Berkley Big Game. 1 Quote
Super User gim Posted June 30, 2021 Super User Posted June 30, 2021 The mono backing also helps to alleviate slippage. If you put braid directly on the spool, it won't grab very well. Quote
InfantryMP Posted June 30, 2021 Posted June 30, 2021 For those who do not like to tie leader knots, and want to go straight braid. You can put a small piece of painters tape on the spool to help the braid "bite" the spool and not spin. I do this on all my spinning rods, but it also works for casting as well if you want to go straight braid which is only two casting rods (top water, and punching) 3 1 Quote
Super User Bird Posted June 30, 2021 Super User Posted June 30, 2021 Yes, the backing won't effect the sensitivity of the braid, that job belongs to the rod. 1 Quote
CrankFate Posted July 1, 2021 Posted July 1, 2021 I cast down to the arbor all the time with braid. I have never had a slippage issue. 1 Quote
PressuredFishing Posted July 1, 2021 Posted July 1, 2021 5 hours ago, gbassman519 said: can i leave reel half of mona and than put on braid ? will i still have good sensitivity of the braid if i'am useing this for a Carolina rig ? Sure you should use a backing but personally braid is more of a hassle than it's worth, poor knot tying quality and always hastlijg with leaders, I'd go straight floor, but if you can't afford that a coplomer or mono. Sure braid has its uses for flipping pitching and especially saltwater but it's overrated for most applications. Think about this, do you really wanna tie a fg or Alberto knot every time you break off? And just look at how many pros and normal anglers lost their pb because of braids poor knotting quality Quote
TcRoc Posted July 1, 2021 Posted July 1, 2021 No clue what some of u r talking about. This is all opinion. Backing is not a must at all unless u want to save money. Poor knot quality with braid? Learn how to tie correctly. That’s my opinion. I have zero issues with straight braid or tying leaders to braid. If you r getting slippage or a lot of breakage with your leaders you are doing it all wrong. 7 Quote
Super User the reel ess Posted July 1, 2021 Super User Posted July 1, 2021 Yes, sir! Fill the reel halfway with cheap mono and the rest with braid. Braid ain't cheap. Use 30# braid for standard techniques and 50# min. for frogs. Quote
rtwvumtneer6 Posted July 1, 2021 Posted July 1, 2021 Yes. Mono backing and a braided main line will work well. Keep in mind that braid can fray and become compromised if dragging over rocks or contacting sharp edges, so you may want to consider adding a leader that is more abrasion resistant (if you don't already). Quote
Super User slonezp Posted July 1, 2021 Super User Posted July 1, 2021 5 hours ago, InfantryMP said: For those who do not like to tie leader knots, and want to go straight braid. You can put a small piece of painters tape on the spool to help the braid "bite" the spool and not spin. I do this on all my spinning rods, but it also works for casting as well if you want to go straight braid which is only two casting rods (top water, and punching) I use tape on spinning reels and just tie the braid to the spools on bait casters. This past weekend I was at Cabela's and while waiting to ask a salesman where the big spools of mono were located, I heard him talking to a newbie about braid and spooling it on a spinning reel. He said Cabela's would put a mono backing on it and finish off with braid. I interjected with the tape idea and the Cabela's guy had a fit. Said I was doing it wrong and Cabela's would never suggest tape. 1 Quote
Super User Koz Posted July 1, 2021 Super User Posted July 1, 2021 59 minutes ago, PressuredFishing said: Sure braid has its uses for flipping pitching and especially saltwater but it's overrated for most applications. I strongly disagree. In fact, more and more pros on the MLF tour are using braid for all applications. 1 Quote
Dens228 Posted July 1, 2021 Posted July 1, 2021 45 minutes ago, TcRoc said: No clue what some of u r talking about. This is all opinion. Backing is not a must at all unless u want to save money. Poor knot quality with braid? Learn how to tie correctly. That’s my opinion. I have zero issues with straight braid or tying leaders to braid. If you r getting slippage or a lot of breakage with your leaders you are doing it all wrong. Yep, the myths of braid............Digging in and causing backlash, line slipping, poor knots, don't go under 50 pound test.........etc...... I love braid, sometimes with leaders, sometimes without. No issues. 3 Quote
TcRoc Posted July 1, 2021 Posted July 1, 2021 14 minutes ago, Dens228 said: Yep, the myths of braid............Digging in and causing backlash, line slipping, poor knots, don't go under 50 pound test.........etc...... I love braid, sometimes with leaders, sometimes without. No issues. Yup gone down to 15lb with no issues on a baitcaster braid . Zero issues. Quote
Super User bulldog1935 Posted July 1, 2021 Super User Posted July 1, 2021 41 minutes ago, slonezp said: I use tape on spinning reels and just tie the braid to the spools on bait casters. This past weekend I was at Cabela's and while waiting to ask a salesman where the big spools of mono were located, I heard him talking to a newbie about braid and spooling it on a spinning reel. He said Cabela's would put a mono backing on it and finish off with braid. I interjected with the tape idea and the Cabela's guy had a fit. Said I was doing it wrong and Cabela's would never suggest tape. yet reels come with a card of clear tape just for this purpose. When you need backing is when you have deep spools made for mono. Especially in JDM, they also offer shallow and mid spools just for braid that don't need backing. I've backed many mid spools with cheaper braid, and better working braid on top. Cabelas guy throwing a fit? He doesn't like being called out when he's working with a customer. I can count on one hand the number of sales people at sporting goods stores who could hold an intelligent tackle discussion. 2 Quote
KCFinesse Posted July 1, 2021 Posted July 1, 2021 I even started putting cheap mono behind flouro to maintain spool height while saving flouro... I also change out my flouro quite a bit after backlashing etc... Plus the neon green cheap catfish mono backing makes my reels look extra fancy... Seriously though- how many yards of useable line are needed at a given time- I think the wide spool JDM style designs were a big eye opener on that for me at least... 2 Quote
PressuredFishing Posted July 1, 2021 Posted July 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Koz said: I strongly disagree. In fact, more and more pros on the MLF tour are using braid for all applications. And alot of those pros lost big fish with a fg knot slipping, and "all applications" would be foolish, you can't crank with straight braid, and it's not good in wood, I would watch some of randy blauket, he is a pro that swears against braid in most circumstances..... 2 hours ago, TcRoc said: No clue what some of u r talking about. This is all opinion. Backing is not a must at all unless u want to save money. Poor knot quality with braid? Learn how to tie correctly. That’s my opinion. I have zero issues with straight braid or tying leaders to braid. If you r getting slippage or a lot of breakage with your leaders you are doing it all wrong. Watch some of randy blankets videos, he will change your mind Quote
Global Moderator Bluebasser86 Posted July 1, 2021 Global Moderator Posted July 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, KCFinesse said: I even started putting cheap mono behind flouro to maintain spool height while saving flouro... I also change out my flouro quite a bit after backlashing etc... Plus the neon green cheap catfish mono backing makes my reels look extra fancy... Seriously though- how many yards of useable line are needed at a given time- I think the wide spool JDM style designs were a big eye opener on that for me at least... This is how I justify the price of buying a spool of expensive fluoro also. I mostly use it for bottom contact baits that I'm making shorter cast with anyways, I don't need even 70 yards of it. I get my 200 yard spools of Tatsu, put 50 yards of top-shot on over my cheap mono and I can spool 4 times of that one spool. Suddenly, my $40 spool of line is much more reasonable. 1 Quote
Super User Koz Posted July 1, 2021 Super User Posted July 1, 2021 36 minutes ago, PressuredFishing said: And alot of those pros lost big fish with a fg knot slipping, and "all applications" would be foolish, you can't crank with straight braid, and it's not good in wood, I would watch some of randy blauket, he is a pro that swears against braid in most circumstances..... Watch some of randy blankets videos, he will change your mind I watch the MLF broadcasts and at one event they did a segment on how braid has changed and that many of the pros were **almost** exclusively using braid. I'll take their word for it. Quote
padon Posted July 1, 2021 Posted July 1, 2021 7 hours ago, KCFinesse said: I even started putting cheap mono behind flouro to maintain spool height while saving flouro... I also change out my flouro quite a bit after backlashing etc... Plus the neon green cheap catfish mono backing makes my reels look extra fancy... Seriously though- how many yards of useable line are needed at a given time- I think the wide spool JDM style designs were a big eye opener on that for me at least... i do the same . fill most of the spool with cheap mono then top off with 75-100 yards of fluoro. when my spool gets down that far im refilling anyway. why have 150 yards of expensive line you arent gonna use. Quote
TcRoc Posted July 1, 2021 Posted July 1, 2021 8 hours ago, PressuredFishing said: And alot of those pros lost big fish with a fg knot slipping, and "all applications" would be foolish, you can't crank with straight braid, and it's not good in wood, I would watch some of randy blauket, he is a pro that swears against braid in most circumstances..... Watch some of randy blankets videos, he will change your mind To each is own is all, one guy isn’t going to change my mind.. if you think braid is horrible that’s your thing. Most of my reels are straight braid , some with flouro leader and a couple straight flouro .People swearing you need a mono backing for braid that’s there thing. For me braid lasts long time and u can reverse it to get to that unfaded line if u want. 1 Quote
Super User NHBull Posted July 1, 2021 Super User Posted July 1, 2021 Years ago I saw a video of A Martens making a strong argument for backing with braid and topping with 50 yards of FC. Having had cheap braid I followed suit and did the same. Makes my Tatsu last longer. I don't think I can tell the difference between mono and braid backing but I do like it 1 Quote
Super User bulldog1935 Posted July 1, 2021 Super User Posted July 1, 2021 @NHBull The cheapest YoZuri braid is perfect for backing. 2 Quote
KCFinesse Posted July 1, 2021 Posted July 1, 2021 1 minute ago, bulldog1935 said: @NHBull The cheapest YoZuri braid is perfect for backing. AND the blue on blue trim just looks mean! 2 1 Quote
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