What's your backcast with a spinning reel and rod look like with a long leader?

[transpose]

I've never fished with long leaders, even if I should have, so I don't know whether I'm bringing it behind me like a fly rod or something else.

[jimmyjoe]

   My backcast is the same whether I'm using a long leader, a short leader or no leader at all.   jj

[BrianMDTX]

21 minutes ago, jimmyjoe said:

   My backcast is the same whether I'm using a long leader, a short leader or no leader at all.   jj

Same. The day I cast with 6’ or more of leader past my tip will the last lol. 

[galyonj]

I'm so scared I'll hurt either the rod or the line that I motor over to where I want the lure to land, open the bail, gently place the lure in the water, and then motor back to where I was.

[Mobasser]

I fish monofilament line on my spin rods. I would imagine my backcast looks a lot like someone using a braid/leader setup.

[throttleplate]

i use clips to leader. When casting from the bank i have snagged my chair, bank brush behind me to the degree where my kingtail worm gets caught on the brush while the hook makes it into the water. And dont stand behind me, you are at your own risk.

[CrankFate]

All depends on the knot. Ideally, with the right (heavy enough) line, an overhand knot in the leader to a uni knot in the braid works best. Easy to tie on the water, too. 

[Fishes in trees]

Do you mean like you might have  with a Carolina rig - where you can't reel the bait up to the rod tip?

When I Carolina rig I generally use MH spinning gear and I just get the weight up to the rod tip and lob it out the best I can.  A back swing to kinda straighten out the leader helps some - but it isn't ever pretty casting a rig with a long leader.

[transpose]

5 hours ago, jimmyjoe said:

My backcast is the same whether I'm using a long leader, a short leader or no leader at all.

 

2 hours ago, throttleplate said:

When casting from the bank i have snagged my chair, bank brush behind me

 

18 minutes ago, Fishes in trees said:

but it isn't ever pretty casting a rig with a long leader.

 

This is reassuring, basically. Cast the same way I always do but don't expect a beautiful result.

[WRB]

You can’t whip cast a long line, just lob cast like a live bait.

longer leader out of the rod tip use a longer rod.

Tom

[PressuredFishing]

well If you are talking about fly fishing, its about the same but I wait a tad longer for it to fully unload compared to a shorter tapered leader. as for spinning I fish straight floro or mono because I dont trust braid to floro or mono knots, too risky and harder to cast through guides

[Big Hands]

What's your backcast with a spinning reel and rod look like with a long leader?

 

Occasionally, it looks like a modern day version of "The Three Stooges Go Bass Fishing". When there is nobody in the back seat, I have thrown caution to the wind (pun intended) and put some extra sauce on it. Regret soon follows when I catch the plastic bait on something , which then adheres to it like it was attached by rivets.

 

Usually, I just lose the bait, or all the terminal tackle. Once (recently) it caught hold of my most prized baitcasting rig and launched it twenty five feet in front of the boat. I was ready to watch it descend to a watery final resting place, but the full length cork butt section kept it floating until I could pluck it out of the lake. Thankfully, I was alone and didn't have to share my undignified moment of shame with any fellow anglers.

[Bluebasser86]

Assuming we're talking a mainline to leader where there is just a leader knot, nothing changes from a standard cast. 

 

Now if you're talking something like a C-rig or even long wire leader for toothy fish, that changes the ballgame a bit. 

[bulldog1935]

The way to cast a long leader and fully load the rod is pendulum cast.  

You push the rod forward - as your lure weight is swinging back like a pendulum, you pull the rod backwards to begin loading the rod and accelerating the bait, and continue that swing into an overhead cast. 

 

works extremely well with 14' rod, 2-oz spider weight, and a couple more ounces of meat - but also works with a gram on 7' XUL

[transpose]

8 hours ago, Bluebasser86 said:

Now if you're talking something like a C-rig or even long wire leader for toothy fish, that changes the ballgame a bit. 

Yes, like a Carolina Rig.

 

37 minutes ago, bulldog1935 said:

The way to cast a long leader and fully load the rod is pendulum cast. 

I'll look at some YouTubes for pendulum cast. Thanks.

[bulldog1935]

50 minutes ago, transpose said:

I'll look at some YouTubes for pendulum cast. Thanks.

 

You can't really spiral-cast a very long leader, but with either spiral or pendulum cast, the longer the leader, the greater the release velocity and, you'll probably be amazed by the cast distance, especially with light bait.  Either cast has the effect of turning the leader into extra rod length.  

[roadwarrior]

16 hours ago, galyonj said:

I'm so scared I'll hurt either the rod or the line that I motor over to where I want the lure to land, open the bail, gently place the lure in the water, and then motor back to where I was.

[transpose]

On 6/25/2021 at 7:44 AM, bulldog1935 said:

The way to cast a long leader and fully load the rod is pendulum cast. 

The Pendulum Cast does appear to be the solution for me. I haven't used it with a leader yet, let alone fished with it - I'm just practicing basic motions and timing the pendulum - but I think it will get me there. Thanks.

 

Is this suitable for Senko baits and six-pound test line? There's enough g-force in its direction change leading up to the forward cast that makes me think this might be purely a dedicated lure cast. Most of the instructional videos were using surf rods and heavy weight, however.

[bulldog1935]

I always used spiral for free-shrimping on an old Millionaire 6H with 7' bay rod.  

That's a bare hook with a live shrimp, essentially weightless, and a centrifugal cast like this gets you the greatest possible line velocity and cast distance without any jerk that might pull the shrimp shell off the hook.  

You can make a pendulum cast equally soft - it's the final centrifugal acceleration that puts it out there.  

You just can't make a spiral cast with a long leader, and pendulum works there - that's what we do in the surf with long leader and almost always baited hooks. 

[S Hovanec]

No different.  I start the day with a 18' leader and most of it is on the spool when I cast.