Braid for flipping weightless lures?

[PressuredFishing]

Hi, so I have been flipping in 0 to 2 foot of water in shallow wooden structure and thick grass. I have lost a few bass because I am fishing monofilament for my weightless senko's and I end up flipping and pitching. I had a nice bass but he wraped me up in grass before I had the chance to wrench him up and out of structure. Do you think bass will get spooked by braided line with the weightless lures? I just feel it may  help because the stretch of mono is killing me

[Kenny Yi]

whenever I pitch, I always use fluorocarbon.  not because of line shyness, but because of it's abrasion resistance.

 

braid is good for grass because it can "saw" through the grass, but with that same concept it can be difficult for wood (it can get stuck) and it snaps easily in rocks.  I don't personally think line shyness matters too much, since braid is already thin. 

 

my weightless system is 10-12# fluorocarbon on a MH rod SLX reel, i can wrench fish outta cover and still get good castability. 

[Ratherbfishing]

I do not particularly care for braided line with wacky-rigged sinko.  I like the line to have enough stretch that the bass isn't as likely to "yank" the worm off the hook.  And with the price of Gary Yamamoto Senko's, this is an important consideration.

[PressuredFishing]

2 minutes ago, Ratherbfishing said:

I do not particularly care for braided line with wacky-rigged sinko.  I like the line to have enough stretch that the bass isn't as likely to "yank" the worm off the hook.  And with the price of Gary Yamamoto Senko's, this is an important consideration.

Ah, interesting, yeah the stuff im fishing is so thick i am texas rigging it because a wacky rig would be covered in grass a ton, and yes yamamotos are so expensive, its getting redicilous, the yum dinger has been working good but I feel like the yamamotos have more flex

39 minutes ago, Kenny Yi said:

whenever I pitch, I always use fluorocarbon.  not because of line shyness, but because of it's abrasion resistance.

 

braid is good for grass because it can "saw" through the grass, but with that same concept it can be difficult for wood (it can get stuck) and it snaps easily in rocks.  I don't personally think line shyness matters too much, since braid is already thin. 

 

my weightless system is 10-12# fluorocarbon on a MH rod SLX reel, i can wrench fish outta cover and still get good castability. 

Im sure florocarbon would be tremendously better for this even compared to mono with its stretchyness, I have always liked mono because its so versatile, you can topwater, treble hook fish, and texas rig fish with it but with this pitching stuff the hooksets are weak lol

[MGF]

Is the type of line really the issue or is it the weight of the line and rod?

[Deephaven]

In grass, I fish weightless wacky rig senkos on a MH spinning rod with braid.  I up the hook for the cover as well using a much stouter fly fishing hook.  This allows me to rip it out of cover and get strikes while not worrying about the cover.  I do break off a few worms, but welcome to senko fishing.

[Bankc]

If you're flipping and pitching and the stretch of mono bugs you, then I'd suggest that might need a stronger rod.  I've had issues with mono stretching too much on me before, so I know it can be an issue.  But you usually have to have a good bit of line out there for stretch to become an issue.  If you've just got a dozen or so feet of line out, then the majority of the give you feel in the line is probably coming from the rod.  That's my take on the situation.  

[PressuredFishing]

1 hour ago, Bankc said:

If you're flipping and pitching and the stretch of mono bugs you, then I'd suggest that might need a stronger rod.  I've had issues with mono stretching too much on me before, so I know it can be an issue.  But you usually have to have a good bit of line out there for stretch to become an issue.  If you've just got a dozen or so feet of line out, then the majority of the give you feel in the line is probably coming from the rod.  That's my take on the situation.  

I'm using a medium heavy, maybe it's a little too soft I guess

2 hours ago, MGF said:

Is the type of line really the issue or is it the weight of the line and rod?

Could be, maybe i do need a heavy action rod instead of medium heavy

[Rich12]

Its simple.  I cant believe how many times I have read threads asking this same question.

 

Use the equipment needed for the job, period. No, I dont care what you read.  If your fishing heavy cover wood, thick weeds, you the right stuff.   If you cant set the hook, and immediately drag the fish from the cover, you got the wrong stuff in your hand.   You absolutely have to turn her head when you set the hook and start draggin her out.  When you set and turn big girl's head, her first move is strait the direction she is pointing.  90 percent of the battle is won right then because she uncovers herself.

 

[GreenPig]

Sounds like you prefer mono so I'd bump up the strength which will have less stretch and still allow you other techniques. 

[Bluebasser86]

If I'm pitching into grass, I'm going to be using straight braid no questions asked. If the weeds are thick enough I need to be using braid, I'm not worried about them being line shy. 

[Catt]

11 lb 3 oz, thick grass, 15# Big Game 

 

If I ain't punchin or froggin it's Big Game 

 

If you think stretch is your problem move up to 20#

 

 

[Captain Phil]

I am conflicted when it comes to braided line. I avoided it for years, but have been slowly switching to it.   My best results has been switching to braid when fishing rattle traps.  I lost too many fish with mono, braid has upped my "fish in the boat" score substantially.  Flipping is a different animal.  Here in Florida, our cover is very thick. When flipping, it's the fall that triggers the strike.  The rough texture of braid catches the cover on the way down impeding the drop.  Adding weight seems like it reduces strikes, at least it does for me.   When flipping, I want my bait to fall as natural as possible.   I use 25 pound Trilene big game mono for flipping and it has never let me down.  I also coat my lures with fish attractant.  This makes the lure to slide through the cover easier.

 

[Catt]

Some of y'all act like braid is something new, long before Fluorocarbon & Monofilament was braided Cotton, Dacron, Micron, & Suture Material (Silk).

 

None had stretch, the problem was rot, if not properly dried out.

[GetFishorDieTryin]

Mono works ok if you have enough power in the rod.  Ive been using a 7'2 MH MF with 15lb InvizX for light flippin the past couple months and I catch 9 of 10.  If you do use a weight try it without a peg or stop, it helps. 

[J Francho]

Spool your spinning rod up with 20# braid and tie direct, and watch your issues disappear.  It's rare that fish won't bite a bait in cover because of the line.  I use bright colored lines, like pink, yellow, or orange to make it easier to line watch.

[PressuredFishing]

15 hours ago, Rich12 said:

Its simple.  I cant believe how many times I have read threads asking this same question.

 

Use the equipment needed for the job, period. No, I dont care what you read.  If your fishing heavy cover wood, thick weeds, you the right stuff.   If you cant set the hook, and immediately drag the fish from the cover, you got the wrong stuff in your hand.   You absolutely have to turn her head when you set the hook and start draggin her out.  When you set and turn big girl's head, her first move is strait the direction she is pointing.  90 percent of the battle is won right then because she uncovers herself.

 

okay this is good to know, im fairly new to fishing heavier cover

14 hours ago, GreenPig said:

Sounds like you prefer mono so I'd bump up the strength which will have less stretch and still allow you other techniques. 

Yeah I do like mono alot, im in college and budget is the name of the game, with mono i can to topwater, worms, cranks, pretty much everything. I will try putting some heavier pound mono on my reels, and will also try a heavier rod perhaps

6 hours ago, Catt said:

11 lb 3 oz, thick grass, 15# Big Game 

 

If I ain't punchin or froggin it's Big Game 

 

If you think stretch is your problem move up to 20#

 

 

I think i will try this! thankyou for your insight!

4 hours ago, Captain Phil said:

I am conflicted when it comes to braided line. I avoided it for years, but have been slowly switching to it.   My best results has been switching to braid when fishing rattle traps.  I lost too many fish with mono, braid has upped my "fish in the boat" score substantially.  Flipping is a different animal.  Here in Florida, our cover is very thick. When flipping, it's the fall that triggers the strike.  The rough texture of braid catches the cover on the way down impeding the drop.  Adding weight seems like it reduces strikes, at least it does for me.   When flipping, I want my bait to fall as natural as possible.   I use 25 pound Trilene big game mono for flipping and it has never let me down.  I also coat my lures with fish attractant.  This makes the lure to slide through the cover easier.

 

I think i will try fishing with a heavier pound test, because im only using 12lb, and maybe like 20 or 25lb will prevent bass from running into the cover and loosing them, maybe a heavier action rod will help too, thats what some people have told me at the moment. I think im on the right start thanks to yall

3 hours ago, J Francho said:

Spool your spinning rod up with 20# braid and tie direct, and watch your issues disappear.  It's rare that fish won't bite a bait in cover because of the line.  I use bright colored lines, like pink, yellow, or orange to make it easier to line watch.

ah yes, I have done some flipping with my spinning rod and enjoy it, I will have to do it more, I also have 15lb braid on it as well, but I could try heavier. I also like bright colored lines, I think white is my favorite because im colorblind and it stands out the best lol

[Captain Phil]

A heavy action rod is required when flipping heavy cover.  Most bass caught flipping are larger than average.  The lightest line I have ever used when flipping is 20 pound test.  Bass also have a nasty habit of weaving the line around the cover.  By the time you realize it, the fish can be a yard away from the strike.  No one lands 100% of the fish that strike, so don't beat yourself up.  Using the right rod and line will help considerably.  Here's a tip.   Whenever your lure touches bottom, check your bait by lifting the rod slightly to check to see if a fish has it in it's mouth and you don't know it.  Don't get into a guessing contest with a bass.  If you feel any resistance at all, set the hook.  The hook you use is also critical.  I like a wide gap round bend hook. My favorite is the Owner Straight Worm Wide Gap hook in 3/0 & 4/0 model 5103.  That hook is so sharp it hooks most bass just by lifting it. 

[PressuredFishing]

1 hour ago, Captain Phil said:

A heavy action rod is required when flipping heavy cover.  Most bass caught flipping are larger than average.  The lightest line I have ever used when flipping is 20 pound test.  Bass also have a nasty habit of weaving the line around the cover.  By the time you realize it, the fish can be a yard away from the strike.  No one lands 100% of the fish that strike, so don't beat yourself up.  Using the right rod and line will help considerably.  Here's a tip.   Whenever your lure touches bottom, check your bait by lifting the rod slightly to check to see if a fish has it in it's mouth and you don't know it.  Don't get into a guessing contest with a bass.  If you feel any resistance at all, set the hook.  The hook you use is also critical.  I like a wide gap round bend hook. My favorite is the Owner Straight Worm Wide Gap hook in 3/0 & 4/0 model 5103.  That hook is so sharp it hooks most bass just by lifting it. 

Okay this is all very good stuff to known I will start using my heavy action rod and upgrade line size a little cuz im only fishing 12lb

[Catt]

5 minutes ago, Socalfishier said:

upgrade line size a little cuz im only fishing 12lb

 

You brave!

 

I'm good at using 15# & don't even consider 12#!

 

As for rod my is a Dawia Tatula TTU711MHXB, 7'1" Medium Heavy X-Fast but it leans more to the heavy side. I use this rod for 1/4, 3/8, & 1/2 oz jigs at any depth & in everything but matted vegetation.

 

[PressuredFishing]

3 hours ago, Catt said:

 

You brave!

 

I'm good at using 15# & don't even consider 12#!

 

As for rod my is a Dawia Tatula TTU711MHXB, 7'1" Medium Heavy X-Fast but it leans more to the heavy side. I use this rod for 1/4, 3/8, & 1/2 oz jigs at any depth & in everything but matted vegetation.

 

Ah, thar makes sense, I think I have been going slightly light on line

[the reel ess]

I flip and pitch with straight 30 lb braid now and catch fish, even good ones. I use straight 50# for frogs.

[PressuredFishing]

6 hours ago, the reel ess said:

I flip and pitch with straight 30 lb braid now and catch fish, even good ones. I use straight 50# for frogs.

wow, I have heard guys like doing this, this is good to know!