Stretchy Fluorocarbon Line Recommendations...???

[ITO_ZILLION]

I fish a lot of braid to leader for most of my techniques and I want to try a fluoro that has more stretch than your average fluorocarbon line. I am basically looking for a 100% fluorocarbon that has almost the same amount of stretch as an average mono. What do you guys recommend? 

[Big Hands]

If stretch is what you desire, then I would go straight to P-Line fluorocarbon.

 

I don't find I want or need that much stretch, but I found that stuff to be quite . . . . 'stretchy'.

[ironbjorn]

Are you opposed to splitting the difference with copolymer? 

[MN Fisher]

9 minutes ago, ironbjorn said:

Are you opposed to splitting the difference with copolymer? 

^ This. If I want a 'stretchy' FC - Yo-Zuri Hybrid is my choice. Heck, it's my mainline on my crankbait-rig.

[jimmyjoe]

   InvizX.                 jj

[dodgeguy]

Flourocarbons stretch more than mono. It's just at higher pressure and only stretch once. It does not recover !!! It basically damages the line.

[FryDog62]

Did this stretch test a few years ago, hope it helps ~

 

LINE STRETCH TEST

I used a 12 foot piece of each line and hung an 8 pound weight to see how much each line stretched in inches.  Below are the results - least stretch to most stretch.

 

All Lines Tested
1)        Trilene XT (Mono)                                   21-1/4 inches of stretch
2)        Yo-Zuri Hybrid (Co-polymer)               22-1/8 
3)        Sufix Seige (Mono)                                22-5/8
4)        P-Line CX Premium (Co-polymer)      23-1/2 
5)        Maxima Treazure (Co-polymer)          24-1/2
6)        Trilene XL (Mono)                                  24-3/4
7)        Tectan Superior (Mono)                       25-7/8
?       Berkley Sensation (Mono)                    26-1/8
9)        Sunline Sniper (Fluorocarbon)            26-1/2
10)     Gamma Touch (Fluorocarbon)              29-1/4
11)     Original Blue Stren (Mono)                    29-3/4
12)     Gamma Edge (Fluorocarbon)               31-0**
13)     Bass Pro XPS (Fluorocarbon)               31-3/4*
14)     Stren 100% (Fluorocast)                       31-3/4*
15)     Seaguar Tatsu (Fluorocarbon)             32-3/4
16)     P-Line 100% (Fluorocarbon)                33-0*
17)     Seaguar Invizx (Fluorocarbon)             36-0**
18)     Berkley 100% (Fluorocarbon)              38-3/8

*    Line snapped once and was re-tested
** Line snapped twice - length estimated

 

Broken Down By Line Type
    3 Co-polymer lines average stretch:          23.4 inches
    6 Monofilament lines average stretch:       25.1 inches
    9 fluorocarbon lines average stretch:         32.2 inches

 

Line Diameter 
Line diameter can have an effect on stretch, but 9 of these lines all had the same diameter (.009 inches).  Those lines are broken out below.  The overall results are similar for the 3 different line types.  

1)        P-Line CX Premium (Co-polymer)      23-1/2
2)        Maxima Treazure (Co-polymer)          24-1/2
3)        Tectan Superior (Mono)                       25-7/8
4)        Berkley Sensation (Mono)                   26-1/8
5)        Sunline Sniper (Fluorocarbon)            26-1/2
6)        Gamma Touch (Fluorocarbon)            29-1/4
7)        Bass Pro XPS (Fluorocarbon)              31-3/4*
?      Seaguar Tatsu (Fluorocarbon)             32-3/4
9)        Seaguar Invizx (Fluorocarbon)            36-0**

 

Overall observations:
    

Newer Co-polymer lines being marketed specifically as “low stretch” for the most part seem to be accurate.
    

Fluorocarbon tends to be the line with most stretch.
    

Monofilament tends to be somewhere in the middle, although those with a thicker diameter (i.e. Trilene XT .011 and Sufix Seige .010) did stretch less.  
    

Line diameter may have an effect on the stretch of certain lines, but overall, lines of the same diameter seem to reflect that Co-polymer and Monofilament lines still stretch less than Fluorocarbon.  
    

Fluorocarbon lines tend to break easier when stretched to their maximum breaking strength.  

 

Note that this test was done with dry lines. When soaked for an hour, the results between monofilament and fluorocarbon were almost the same.  However, fluorocarbon does not "stretch less" than most monos as advertised.  

 

Monofilament does tend to stretch sooner in the curve and flatten out quicker than fluorocarbon giving it the feeling to some that it stretches more. 

 

Fluorocarbon stretches less at the beginning of the curve, but once it deforms, it stays that way and can be more brittle and lose tensile strength.

[MN Fisher]

4 minutes ago, FryDog62 said:

However, fluorocarbon does not stretch less than most monos as advertised. 

I love this test, Chris - bang up job

 

They advertise 'less stretch' - but it's a mis-nomer...what FC has over Nylon (IIRC) is that it takes more force for it to START stretching. So two lines of the same test, one Nylon and one FC - the nylon will start stretching at a lighter weight than the FC, but once FC does start stretching, it ends up stretching more - as you've proved.

[jbrew73]

I don’t feel that testing line with an 8 lb weight gives an accurate account of what you feel while fishing.  I can’t say that I know of a better way to test it though.  

[Eric 26]

Just watched the latest tactical bassin video, “ big fish on light line” he speaks of sunline fc100 as being the exact line you’re searching for. He described it as a fluorocarbon designed to have the stretch with return to normal as a design feature. Seem to remember it’s only available down to around 16 lbs if memory serves me correctly, but I have “CRS” syndrome as AJ calls it?. The video was posted yesterday. Good luck??

Edited June 4, 2021 by Eric 26
Added content

[Team9nine]

Another vote for InvizX, but I can also say that most of the "finesse" fluorocarbons, regardless of manufacturer, will be more "stretchy" than standard or "tough" fluorocarbon. Also, the lighter the pound test, the greater the stretch with fluorocarbon from what I have been able to determine.

 

30 minutes ago, MN Fisher said:

 

They advertise 'less stretch' - but it's a mis-nomer...what FC has over Nylon (IIRC) is that it takes more force for it to START stretching. So two lines of the same test, one Nylon and one FC - the nylon will start stretching at a lighter weight than the FC, but once FC does start stretching, it ends up stretching more - as you've proved.

 

I've heard this explanation given by several people over the years, but I have never been able to find any actual data to support it. The few stress-strain test data I have seen showed almost no difference between the two materials, which doesn't surprise me given that it appears the modulus of elasticity (Young's modulus)  between the two materials is nearly identical from most everything I've researched. Not saying it's not the case, but there is a pitiful amount of actual testing data out there on the subject from what I've seen...but I still keep looking 

[MN Fisher]

Just now, Team9nine said:

Not saying it's not the case, but there is a pitiful amount of actual testing data out there on the subject from what I've seen...but I still keep looking 

Ya, that's why the 'IIRC'. I love to see a test on that too. I'd do it, but I can't afford to dish out the kind of money needed to get a good sampling of line for it.

[Team9nine]

31 minutes ago, MN Fisher said:

Ya, that's why the 'IIRC'. I love to see a test on that too. I'd do it, but I can't afford to dish out the kind of money needed to get a good sampling of line for it.

 

I'm not up on all of today's acronym language - but I just Googled it - lol. I'm right there with you. If I had access to a lab and the right equipment, oh, the fun data we could generate 

[MN Fisher]

1 minute ago, Team9nine said:

 

I'm not up on all of today's acronym language - but I just Googled it - lol. I'm right there with you. If I had access to a lab and the right equipment, oh, the fun data we could generate 

Ya - we're nerds...LOL.

 

Maybe we can convince Chris to do this one too, since he already has experience in this kind of 'field work'.

[ITO_ZILLION]

I have noticed that I tend to be 'trigger happy' when it comes to hooksets and I tend to do my hooksets too fast and hard. Lost some fish doing this and I am mainly looking for some 'insurance'. Hoping more stretch in my leaders will 'dull' the bite more and therefore give me some hesitation and slow my reaction/hookset times. I am also trying to mitigate the 'no stretch' properties of braid in order to keep fish pinned a little better. 

 

Thanks guys for all the info/tips. Nice job to FryDog62 for taking the time to do some tests and posting for everyone to see. 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Eric 26 said:

Just watched the latest tactical bassin video, “ big fish on light line” he speaks of sunline fc100 as being the exact line you’re searching for. He described it as a fluorocarbon designed to have the stretch with return to normal as a design feature. Seem to remember it’s only available down to around 16 lbs if memory serves me correctly, but I have “CRS” syndrome as AJ calls it?. The video was posted yesterday. Good luck??

 

Saw that video too and my interest in Sunline FC100 was definitely piqued. Will definitely have to give this line a try and it definitely seems like its the answer/line that I am searching for. 

[ITO_ZILLION]

 

3 hours ago, ironbjorn said:

Are you opposed to splitting the difference with copolymer? 

 

No. Copolymer is very high on my list as a great option also since it seems to be a best-of-both-worlds line by combining the invisibility/abrasion resistance of fluorocarbon with the easy handling/stretch of mono. 

[txchaser]

@FryDog62 did you ever test Sufix Advance mono? 

[FryDog62]

3 minutes ago, txchaser said:

@FryDog62 did you ever test Sufix Advance mono? 

No, the tests were done just before it’s release. Afterwards, I fished it extensively and anecdotally with good results and would say it’s similar to Yo-Zuri Hybrid and Trilene XT. 

[ITO_ZILLION]

According to the tests, fluorocarbon seems to have more stretch than mono?! Totally confused?! I thought fluorocarbon was supposed to have the least stretch, no? I mean with what the fishing industry has been feeding us with advertising and all, you would think fluorocarbon would have less stretch than mono. Go figure. Seems like I should just stick to fluorocarbon than since it has more stretch and all. 

[txchaser]

 

34 minutes ago, ITO_ZILLION said:

I have noticed that I tend to be 'trigger happy' when it comes to hooksets and I tend to do my hooksets too fast and hard. Lost some fish doing this

The issue isn't really stretch it is how the line does under a shock load vs a steady load. I learned this the hard way. Stretch would mask the problem, but it wouldn't fix it. A different knot might though. Won't fix it if you are doing full body hooksets on 10 lb line, but if you aren't using a SDJ or double SDJ, start with that. My testing on 15lb tatsu on a 3/0 gammy hook the double SDJ won 100% of the time. 

 

[Deephaven]

If you want more "stretch" I'd recommend a softer rod.  Rod/line need to match to work well.

[Deleted account]

13 hours ago, dodgeguy said:

Flourocarbons stretch more than mono. It's just at higher pressure and only stretch once. It does not recover !!! It basically damages the line.

Kinda, but not like that...

[FishTank]

I have been fishing with Invizx for years and never found it stretchy but not totally low stretch as stated.  It's sort of in between.  We fish a lot of rocks and tend to get hung up a lot.  Most mono lines I have used over the years will stetch like bubble gum compared to Invizx when I get stuck.  Its especially noticeable when I have to break the line.   

 

As far as stretchy FC......Sunline Crank

[Boomstick]

Invizx is about as stretchy as they come for fluorocarbon or monofilaments, and it's pretty good line too.

[roadwarrior]

On 6/3/2021 at 8:54 PM, ITO_ZILLION said:

...I tend to do my hooksets too fast and hard. 

Well, WRB has caught over 1000 double digit bass. Recently he shared a secret

to his success:  He sets the hook quicker than most fishermen. The moment you

detect ANYTHING...set the hook!