Does a squarebill/lipless combo rod exist?

[FryDog62]

18 minutes ago, Delaware Valley Tackle said:

I recommend the same rod for these but for different reasons. 7’ medium power mod fast action graphite (maybe composite). The ModF action helps rip the traps from weeds and steer the square bill around and through cover. Casts both well accurately and distance.  Step up to MH for heavier baits and cover. 

Thx, any specific rods/models in mind? 

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

3 minutes ago, FryDog62 said:

Thx, any specific rods/models in mind? 

I build all my own. Brand wise, Dobyns and ST Croix seem to have good build quality of off the shelf rods from what I’ve seen

[Dens228]

I use both a Levante Flatside Special and an Orochi XX Swingfire.  I prefer the Swingfire for squarebills and Flatside for lipless but depending on what type of lures I'm using and if I'm limited by my kayak I use either for both.  

[Dumbbassanglr]

19 hours ago, Junger said:

Maybe a Loomis 843MBR? I have the GLX 844C and while it's listed as a heavy, it's more like a MH power rod. I'm thinking going down the 843 may be what you're looking for. The MBR action seems just up your alley though.

Or an 842 mbr. I have and 844 and an 842 and that’s exactly what I got the 842 for but an 843 would work also depending on how much power you prefer.

19 hours ago, Junger said:

Maybe a Loomis 843MBR? I have the GLX 844C and while it's listed as a heavy, it's more like a MH power rod. I'm thinking going down the 843 may be what you're looking for. The MBR action seems just up your alley though.

Or an 842 mbr. I have and 844 and an 842 and that’s exactly what I got the 842 for but an 843 would work also depending on how much power you prefer.

19 hours ago, Junger said:

Maybe a Loomis 843MBR? I have the GLX 844C and while it's listed as a heavy, it's more like a MH power rod. I'm thinking going down the 843 may be what you're looking for. The MBR action seems just up your alley though.

Or an 842 mbr. I have and 844 and an 842 and that’s exactly what I got the 842 for but an 843 would work also depending on how much power you prefer.

[dj1975232]

On 5/18/2021 at 12:01 PM, MN Fisher said:

Lipless and squarebills I like tossing on my Fury 703C - YMMV.

Came to post exactly this. 

[David Austin]

On 5/18/2021 at 2:56 PM, TexasRigDanning said:

I throw my lipless and squarebills on the same rod, I used to throw liplesses on a fast action and felt i needed a moderate cranking rod and ive been very pleased with it- powell endurance 725cb (the non glass one). 
 

granted i hardly ever throw Square bills and all the ones i have in my box are lc 1.5 which are 1/2oz, but the rod suits both of them well. 

I've been seriously considering the endurance 725cb.  I'm having problems deciding between that and the Phenix X10.  I only throw 1 and 1.5 strike king kvd squarebills (3/8oz and 7/16oz) and some of the strike king lipless (1/2oz).

[FryDog62]

30 minutes ago, David Austin said:

I've been seriously considering the endurance 725cb.  I'm having problems deciding between that and the Phenix X10.  I only throw 1 and 1.5 strike king kvd squarebills (3/8oz and 7/16oz) and some of the strike king lipless (1/2oz).

I've been doing a little more research on these two rods, they both look fantastic for the right situations. Fairly versatile, but I would lean X10 for squarebills and 725cb for lipless. For me, if the 725cb could cast a smaller 3/8 oz squarebill far enough and keep fish pinned, knowing it would also do very well with 1/2 oz lipless, that's the direction I would probably go between those 2 rods.  

 

Final decision for me probably comes down to a Dobyns 703/733 or the Powell Endurance 725cb.

[Deephaven]

In the early spring before we have grass I use my lighter CB rod for lipless, but as soon as the milfoil pops up a MHF gets the lipless.  Still in the pre-grass window now, but not for terribly long.

[Boomstick]

There are definitely times you can throw both on the same rod.  If you are looking to rip the lipless through heavier cover, a MH/MF would be the way to go. If the cover is slightly lighter, a M/F or M/MF would work for both. Both are good for a squarebill around a lot of wood when you want a fast recovery off of a deflection. And finally, if there is no cover to worry about then I would use a M/M rod.

 

Rods I have or have direct experience wit that would fit the bill:

 

MH/MF - Daiwa Tatula 7'2" MH/R (pretty much mod fast)

M/MF - Dobyns Sierra 703C. Also a pretty good weightless plastic rod. I would say the 703C is more of a mod. fast than a fast as well.

M/M - Daiwa Tatula 7' M/R (more moderate)

[FryDog62]

43 minutes ago, Boomstick said:

There are definitely times you can throw both on the same rod.  If you are looking to rip the lipless through heavier cover, a MH/MF would be the way to go. If the cover is slightly lighter, a M/F or M/MF would work for both. Both are good for a squarebill around a lot of wood when you want a fast recovery off of a deflection. And finally, if there is no cover to worry about then I would use a M/M rod.

 

Rods I have or have direct experience wit that would fit the bill:

 

MH/MF - Daiwa Tatula 7'2" MH/R (pretty much mod fast)

M/MF - Dobyns Sierra 703C. Also a pretty good weightless plastic rod. I would say the 703C is more of a mod. fast than a fast as well.

M/M - Daiwa Tatula 7' M/R (more moderate)

Good input Dean, some good rods you listed as well as specific actions ?

[Bankbeater]

As long as the crankbaits and the lipless cranks are close to the same weight there should be no problem.