Palomar knot troubleshooting

[Catt]

4 minutes ago, LrgmouthShad said:

Does this apply for other knots as well? I

 

IDK! I don't tie any other knot 

[michaelb]

23 hours ago, MN Fisher said:

'Multifile Knoten' - comes out of Europe (Dutch I think? Maybe?)

I do like the concept of this knot. But to me the wrap goes the wrong way in step #3. By going under the doubled line you cross the lines on the hook as can be seen in step 5. If the wrap went over instead the lines don’t cross. Would be interested in test to see if this matters.

[MN Fisher]

11 minutes ago, michaelb said:

I do like the concept of this knot. But to me the wrap goes the wrong way in step #3. By going under the doubled line you cross the lines on the hook as can be seen in step 5. If the wrap went over instead the lines don’t cross. Would be interested in test to see if this matters.

You know - I didn't really notice that. I go over as a matter-of-course, just the way I started doing it. Haven't tested it going under.

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2 hours ago, MN Fisher said:

You know - I didn't really notice that. I go over as a matter-of-course, just the way I started doing it. Haven't tested it going under.

It's symmetrical, so there is no difference.

[michaelb]

2 hours ago, BassWhole! said:

 

It's symmetrical, so there is no difference.

If we are talking about the M-F knot, it is not. Have you tied it? If you go "over" the tag end goes outside the hook and over itself before crossing the other line; if you go "under" the tag end crosses the other line inside the hook's ring.

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56 minutes ago, michaelb said:

If we are talking about the M-F knot, it is not. Have you tied it? If you go "over" the tag end goes outside the hook and over itself before crossing the other line; if you go "under" the tag end crosses the other line inside the hook's ring.

I'm looking at step #3 on the diagram above. 

[fin]

9 hours ago, michaelb said:

I do like the concept of this knot. But to me the wrap goes the wrong way in step #3. By going under the doubled line you cross the lines on the hook as can be seen in step 5. If the wrap went over instead the lines don’t cross. Would be interested in test to see if this matters.

I tried it on some 8# mono and it broke tying it as pictured, but held tight wrapping it the way you described.

 

Interesting knot. Kind of a mix between a Palomar and San Diego Jam. I like the double thickness, but it seems to stress the line a good bit while tying, and it slipped a little on me one time. Maybe I just need more practice, but it seems like it's not as idiot proof as the SDJ, so I'll stick with the SDJ.

 

 

[michaelb]

4 hours ago, BassWhole! said:

I'm looking at step #3 on the diagram above. 

Backup to step 2. See how the tag end crosses over the main line. That crossover is inside the hook when tightened. That crossover only happens if you go under and wrap the tag around the main first.  This is slightly related to the palamar knot because the mistake to avoid with that knot is also crossing the lines. 

[Bankbeater]

I have to agree with what has already been posted. When my palomar knots keep breaking just from tightening them down, I replace the line. 

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10 hours ago, michaelb said:

Backup to step 2. See how the tag end crosses over the main line. That crossover is inside the hook when tightened. That crossover only happens if you go under and wrap the tag around the main first.  This is slightly related to the palamar knot because the mistake to avoid with that knot is also crossing the lines. 

I guess I'm not getting why the tag end can't be manipulated to any relation in regards to the double line no matter which side it's originally inserted in, and then wound accordingly, making where it's inserted and thus the direction of the winds non consequential. 

[Black Hawk Basser]

With a Palomar, I think that if you pull the main line too much to tighten it down to the hook eye, you can literally burn the line from friction.  You see this when you tie the knot on supple line like 4 lb mono.  It makes the line all wavy above the bait, noticeable damage.  Pulling the tag end as much as you can to tighten it down helps a lot, rather than pulling too much on the main line to tighten.