Daiwa BG 2000 Low Drag

[Chaos10691]

I’m looking to get the Daiwa BG 200 for stuff like drop shot, Ned rig, and wacky rigs. I wanted the 2000 size to save half an ounce and I like knob better. However the drag is only 4.4lbs. I’ll be using 15lb braid to probably 10 lb leader.

Is that enough drag? It seems crazy low to me. I know you don’t cinch drag down on spinning gear but i feel like at 4.4lb of drag you’ll about have to cinch it all the way down.

[mrpao]

I know the daiwa website say 4.4 lbs of drag but that may be a misprint. I've seen errors on the daiwa site before.

Also been a saltwater reel, the BG2000 will handle just about any bass.

I think you'll be fine with it, or you could choose another Daiwa LT reel. They are all pretty good.

[jimmyjoe]

   It's enough drag. Believe me ....... it's enough drag.  4 lbs. is 1/2 gallon of water.  You put a half-gallon of water on the end of your line, on the rod that you intend to use, and try to lift it.  You'll get your eyes opened real quick, if you don't break the rod. Then take an empty jug and lift it off the ground and hold it there. Have someone add water, little by little. Stop when the rod bends 180 degrees over, if not before. (Don't break the rod.)  Measure how much that load weighs, and see whether the reel has enough drag to lift that load. 

   I think this little experiment will give you lots of confidence about drags and rod loads.

 

   Go fishing! Have fun!  ?            jj

[Junger]

It’s enough, more than enough if you’re dropshotting or Ned rigging. 

[Chaos10691]

51 minutes ago, Junger said:

It’s enough, more than enough if you’re dropshotting or Ned rigging. 

Wacky rig?

[Chaos10691]

58 minutes ago, Junger said:

It’s enough, more than enough if you’re dropshotting or Ned rigging. 

Also I should say my hooks are the Owner Mosquito Hooks. Size 1 and 2. Also the Owner Cover Shot for Texas rigged drop shot.

1 hour ago, jimmyjoe said:

   It's enough drag. Believe me ....... it's enough drag.  4 lbs. is 1/2 gallon of water.  You put a half-gallon of water on the end of your line, on the rod that you intend to use, and try to lift it.  You'll get your eyes opened real quick, if you don't break the rod. Then take an empty jug and lift it off the ground and hold it there. Have someone add water, little by little. Stop when the rod bends 180 degrees over, if not before. (Don't break the rod.)  Measure how much that load weighs, and see whether the reels has enough drag to lift that load. 

   I think this little experiment will give you lots of confidence about drags and rod loads.

 

   Go fishing! Have fun!  ?            jj

That sounds like a neat experiment I’ll try that out. Worst case I’ve heard of people replacing the felt washer with carbontex washers. Does this increase the Max drag?

[Junger]

7 minutes ago, Chaos10691 said:

Wacky rig?

Depends on the hook and line, if it’s a light wire hook around light cover and light line, yes less drag to keep the fish pinned and not break the line. 
 

I've wacky rigged with 3/0 EWGs before in heavy pad cover and tighten the drag down to haul fish out ASAP.

 

 

[WRB]

Spinning Medium Light 2 power rod max drag 2 lbs

Spinning Medium 3 power rod max drag 3 lbs.

Pinning Medium Heavy 4 power rod max drag 4 lbs.

If you need height momentary drag force just use your index finger against the spool.

As noted set the drag with known weight reel, line rigged on the rod. 1 pint plastic water bottle weighs 1 lb, Usea plastic grocery bag, put the bottles in, hook the line to the bag and slowly lift until drag slips. Do not high stick your rod, no more the 90 degree bend.

Looked up the drag force of the BD 2000 it’s 4.4 lbs as noted.

Tom

 

[GetFishorDieTryin]

6 hours ago, Chaos10691 said:

I’m looking to get the Daiwa BG 200 for stuff like drop shot, Ned rig, and wacky rigs. I wanted the 2000 size to save half an ounce and I like knob better. However the drag is only 4.4lbs. I’ll be using 15lb braid to probably 10 lb leader.

Is that enough drag? It seems crazy low to me. I know you don’t cinch drag down on spinning gear but i feel like at 4.4lb of drag you’ll about have to cinch it all the way down.

It doesn't sound like a lot but 4lbs is plenty.  You ever consider a Fuego or Exceler?  You could upsize to a 2500, the wider spool helps with casting distance, you still get the I shape knob and most importantly both the Fuego and Exceler 2500s are almost 1.5oz lighter then the BG 2000. 

[bulldog1935]

If 10-lb leader is your weakest link, you should be using 2-1/2-lb drag set.  

 

[Chaos10691]

33 minutes ago, GetFishorDieTryin said:

It doesn't sound like a lot but 4lbs is plenty.  You ever consider a Fuego or Exceler?  You could upsize to a 2500, the wider spool helps with casting distance, you still get the I shape knob and most importantly both the Fuego and Exceler 2500s are almost 1.5oz lighter then the BG 2000. 

I had looked at the Fuego but read about it flexing under load real bad. Also checked out the Exceler but I had read so many good things on the BG that I kind of landed on that one.

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

Depending on what formula you ascribe to, 4.4 lbs of drag covers from 14-lb line. More than I ever run on spinning tackle 

[MN Fisher]

Just now, Delaware Valley Tackle said:

Depending on what formula you ascribe to, 4.4 lbs of drag covers from 14-lb line. More than I ever run on spinning tackle 

Ya - even my MH/F spinning rig that I'm running 20# braid to 12#FC leader on...where's my drag set?

 

About 3.5#

 

4.4# of drag on spinning is plenty.

[Chaos10691]

11 minutes ago, Delaware Valley Tackle said:

Depending on what formula you ascribe to, 4.4 lbs of drag covers from 14-lb line. More than I ever run on spinning tackle 

I was gonna go 15 cause power pro seems to only come in 10lb and 15lb intervals with 10 or 8 lb leader

[GetFishorDieTryin]

The whole flexing thing so overblown its ridiculous, especially with the smaller reels being used for LMB/SMB and SB.  Im not going to say it doesn't happen, but as long as your drag is being used correctly and reasonably set its very unlikely to happen.  Ive caught stripers over 15lbs in the surf and haven't felt anything that I could say was flex with 100% certainty.   I could see flex being an issue if your after albies, reds and such with heavier tackle.  In the event that there is enough pressure on the reel to cause flex its going to be in the stem and not the frame.     

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

15 minutes ago, Chaos10691 said:

I was gonna go 15 cause power pro seems to only come in 10lb and 15lb intervals with 10 or 8 lb leader

Where braid is involved you go by line diameter not lb test. 

[jimmyjoe]

5 hours ago, Chaos10691 said:

I’ve heard of people replacing the felt washer with carbontex washers. Does this increase the Max drag?

 

   Yes, ..... slightly. I wouldn't do it, myself. Carbontex is made for steady, hard pulls on your drag. When that happens, heat builds up, and it can build up real fast. Carbontex will endure that, and it won't "fade" (drag value decreasing with heat) or "chatter" (erratic catch-and-slip) near as much. I learned about Carbontex from saltwater fishermen, where they were a big advantage.

   The advantage of felt drag washers (yes, there is an advantage!) is that they can be systematically set lower without sacrificing consistency, and the drag onset is usually lighter and less sudden. So felt washers are better for lighter or more delicate uses, and sometimes perform better for finesse techniques. I think that for freshwater bass reels, especially spinning reels, felt is just as good or better than Carbontex.

   Goin' after musky? Then it's a different story.

  

   jj

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Plenty.

[Chaos10691]

11 hours ago, jimmyjoe said:

 

   Yes, ..... slightly. I wouldn't do it, myself. Carbontex is made for steady, hard pulls on your drag. When that happens, heat builds up, and it can build up real fast. Carbontex will endure that, and it won't "fade" (drag value decreasing with heat) or "chatter" (erratic catch-and-slip) near as much. I learned about Carbontex from saltwater fishermen, where they were a big advantage.

   The advantage of felt drag washers (yes, there is an advantage!) is that they can be systematically set lower without sacrificing consistency, and the drag onset is usually lighter and less sudden. So felt washers are better for lighter or more delicate uses, and sometimes perform better for finesse techniques. I think that for freshwater bass reels, especially spinning reels, felt is just as good or better than Carbontex.

   Goin' after musky? Then it's a different story.

  

   jj

Right on I appreciate all the advice I wen ahead and ordered it plus some extra stuff for finesse fishing. Thanks a ton

[bulldog1935]

I have one mid-grade worm-drive Tica I bought because it was cheap, and tinkered it.  

The felt-composition drag washer couldn't reach the 1 kg drag they boasted.  

I swapped it for carbontex and instantly dialed-in the 2-1/2 lbs drag I needed.  

 

Independent of anyone's formula, a shock load is 4x to 10x the force of a static load, so if you want a formula, 4x is a good one with a basis in fact.  

[Chaos10691]

52 minutes ago, bulldog1935 said:

I have one mid-grade worm-drive Tica I bought because it was cheap, and tinkered it.  

The felt-composition drag washer couldn't reach the 1 kg drag they boasted.  

I swapped it for carbontex and instantly dialed-in the 2-1/2 lbs drag I needed.  

 

Independent of anyone's formula, a shock load is 4x to 10x the force of a static load, so if you want a formula, 4x is a good one with a basis in fact.  

So what would be the shock load in this instance? Me setting the hook or the fish?

[bulldog1935]

@Chaos10691

for me shock load is snook, but yes, setting the hook - even that 1/4 weakest link may be too much to prevent break-off or even rod break if you high-stick a set at the same time a really big fish explodes.  

[CrankFate]

4.4 pounds of drag will handle nearly every fish you can find thats under 50 pounds. The drag set by placing the reel on a machine is also lower than the drag pressure when attached to a bending rod. At 2 pounds of drag you’re probably getting 4 pounds of drag when your rod Is bending when you fish.

[Chaos10691]

9 minutes ago, CrankFate said:

4.4 pounds of drag will handle nearly every fish you can find thats under 50 pounds. The drag set by placing the reel on a machine is also lower than the drag pressure when attached to a bending rod. At 2 pounds of drag you’re probably getting 4 pounds of drag when your rod Is bending when you fish.

 

4 minutes ago, BaitFinesse said:

Also with every drag thread it is important to note that your 4# fish is not going to move 4# drag until you attempt to lift it out the water.  It doesn't exert 4# to the rod while it is in the water ever.  It don't weight that in the water and it don't pull that in the water.  This has to be repeated. 

I think I was more worried about the drag slipping on hookset.

[bulldog1935]

16 minutes ago, Chaos10691 said:

 

I think I was more worried about the drag slipping on hookset.

 

I that really bothers you, set the hook with thumb on b/c spool, or index finger on spinning spool.  

I do this when fishing Trout Support Lure, because getting a solid hook set is important on the big swimbait hook.