Daiwa Tatula SV TW is kinda loud and not as smooth as I was expecting.

[Chaos10691]

28 minutes ago, BaitFinesse said:

They should be at least quiet on the cast.  That's dry spool bearings if that is the case.  There brakes don't make physical contact with anything to operate so there should be no noise when casting other than the sound of line flowing through the level wind.  Some noise on the retrieve is normal.  So are soft ticks and chunks when starting and stopping the handle with no resistance on the spool.

 

Ok when my grease comes in, and I open it up, I’ll flush them, just to be safe, then apply oil to the bearings and grease to the gears.

[iabass8]

1 hour ago, Chaos10691 said:

That’s sad to hear. I went with this one cause I was having issues with the curados and the SV spool would help my backlash problem. I took it out yesterday and it performed as it’s stated but wasn’t the most smooth and on hard casts was noisy.

What you're experiencing is unfortunately quite common /w the tatula line of reels. They, like stated earlier, can come very dry from the factory and that isn't just limited to the gears. The spool bearings, in my experience /w some other peoples, come dry as well which is the culprit of the noise. Assuming the gears aren't damaged, which is rare but has happened, once lubricated correctly and the spool bearings flushed (it usually takes 3-4 full flushes to get them perfect) and oiled, I can make a tatula reel feel very, very...very smooth. I have not had this issue in any of my Steez or Zillion (old and New G) JDM/USDM. It's typical for the tatula line of reels to have some handle "slop" or in/out play as some call it. You'll notice it more under load of a lure or reeling in super fast on occasion. These reels, however, can, and should be, very smooth. 

[Chaos10691]

1 hour ago, iabass8 said:

What you're experiencing is unfortunately quite common /w the tatula line of reels. They, like stated earlier, can come very dry from the factory and that isn't just limited to the gears. The spool bearings, in my experience /w some other peoples, come dry as well which is the culprit of the noise. Assuming the gears aren't damaged, which is rare but has happened, once lubricated correctly and the spool bearings flushed (it usually takes 3-4 full flushes to get them perfect) and oiled, I can make a tatula reel feel very, very...very smooth. I have not had this issue in any of my Steez or Zillion (old and New G) JDM/USDM. It's typical for the tatula line of reels to have some handle "slop" or in/out play as some call it. You'll notice it more under load of a lure or reeling in super fast on occasion. These reels, however, can, and should be, very smooth. 

I plan on doing a full tear down of it when my grease comes in. As for flushing the bearings, the only thing I really have is strong alcohol and this brake cleaner stuff that a YouTube recommended. I was gonna buy some compressed air to force out anything left in. However should servicing it not fix the issue, I’ll return it and swap it out. The real casted and skipped lures great and is super light so I think in the end I’ll keep swapping them til I get a good one.

[AmmoGuy]

Some of them are noisy casters. Just how it is. One of my coastals and one of my 100s buzzes on the cast. Flushed, oiled, greased, repeat.... doesn’t matter. 
 

At some point I’ll probably try new bearings. I’ve just accepted they aren’t refined reels for now. 

[PhishLI]

If you wish to know for sure if the bearings are dry, you can lube them in place. It'll take a few minutes. Remove the palm sideplate and place a drop or two of oil at the junction of the outside diameter of the bearing's inner race and its shield. The oil will get in and wet the assembly. Leave the spool in, then replace the palm side plate. Next, remove the handle, then remove the spool tension knob. Place a drop or two of oil between the outside diameter of the bearing's inner race and the shield. Replace the tension knob and handle and give it a few spins to spread the oil. If the reel is still making noise on the cast it's not dry bearings. You're doing a full clean and oil anyway, so this experiment is harmless.

[Chaos10691]

44 minutes ago, PhishLI said:

If you wish to know for sure if the bearings are dry, you can lube them in place. It'll take a few minutes. Remove the palm sideplate and place a drop or two of oil at the junction of the outside diameter of the bearing's inner race and its shield. The oil will get in and wet the assembly. Leave the spool in, then replace the palm side plate. Next, remove the handle, then remove the spool tension knob. Place a drop or two of oil between the outside diameter of the bearing's inner race and the shield. Replace the tension knob and handle and give it a few spins to spread the oil. If the reel is still making noise on the cast it's not dry bearings. You're doing a full clean and oil anyway, so this experiment is harmless.

That is an awesome idea. 

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

Tatula is a workhorse reel that in wouldn’t expect to be silent or buttery smooth. They are solid performers though.  
 

There’s nothing about a reel that requires anything special lubricant wise. Marine grease or super lube work great and readily available locally. 

[Shimano_1]

On 5/6/2021 at 8:19 PM, AmmoGuy said:

Good luck. 

A lot of the Tats are just noisy and geary. It’s hit or miss. Grease most likely isn’t going to change anything. 
 

Among other Tats, I have a Coastal SV TW (basically the same reel you have) that is so noisy and geary I almost don’t like fishing it, and I have a second Coastal that is smooth and quiet. 
 

Even though I like daiwa, I’ll probably never buy another Tatula reel. 
 

 

 

This! If they weren't so hit or miss I'd be running all daiwas.  After a cple years of dealing with this off and on I sold all I had left and went back to shimano and a cple lews. I tried lube and everything else and some of them were just way too loud and geary to be acceptable.  Never had a single shimano or lews be that loud. Kinda ridiculous and honestly makes me wonder how they've gotten so popular but a lotta guys seem to love em. Maybe some people just don't notice things that I do or I'm extremely unlucky 

[Chaos10691]

3 minutes ago, Shimano_1 said:

This! If they weren't so hit or miss I'd be running all daiwas.  After a cple years of dealing with this off and on I sold all I had left and went back to shimano and a cple lews. I tried lube and everything else and some of them were just way too loud and geary to be acceptable.  Never had a single shimano or lews be that loud. Kinda ridiculous and honestly makes me wonder how they've gotten so popular but a lotta guys seem to love em. Maybe some people just don't notice things that I do or I'm extremely unlucky 

Ya I ordered a replacement and returned that one. If it’s messed up too I’ll go back to Shimano. I just wanted something that was forgiving on backlashes when skipping.

[Shimano_1]

Try a shimano with an mgl spool. Slx or curado mgl. I don't do much skipping but I've been pretty pleased with all the curado and slx reels I have. 

[NavyVet1204]

My tatula 100 hasn’t given me a bit of trouble in a year of use and sounds great. It’s my favorite reel out of my bunch.

[Chaos10691]

13 minutes ago, Shimano_1 said:

Try a shimano with an mgl spool. Slx or curado mgl. I don't do much skipping but I've been pretty pleased with all the curado and slx reels I have. 

Have a SLX MGL and absolutely love it for light lures. The Curado MGL would probably be great as well. 

[AmmoGuy]

1 hour ago, NavyVet1204 said:

My tatula 100 hasn’t given me a bit of trouble in a year of use and sounds great. It’s my favorite reel out of my bunch.

That’s the case with some of them. I have one just like that. 
 

And then I have one that’s works fine, but feels like the gears were cut with a dremel tool and a  file. ??‍♂️
 

Hit or miss. 

[NavyVet1204]

12 minutes ago, AmmoGuy said:

That’s the case with some of them. I have one just like that. 
 

And then I have one that’s works fine, but feels like the gears were cut with a dremel tool and a wretched file. ??‍♂️
 

Hit or miss. 

I do understand my friend. I actually have a lews tournament SLP that I paid more money for new and it works just fine, but sounds like a Cessna taking off. That’s everywhere in any product line I figure.

[Gorris317]

I picked up a tat 100 two years ago. This year it has given me nothing but issues that I took it off my rod and put it back in the box. Cleaned  and lubed it during the winter like I do all my other reels. Its now super loud and has a lot more play in the handle than it did when I first got it. 

[NavyVet1204]

I will also add to the OP to not be discouraged. The lews in my last example is a fine reel for its use(s) of jig/spinner bait rig and the noise does not cut into the performance at all. Your dawai will still perform well once you grease and oil it.

[Chaos10691]

8 hours ago, NavyVet1204 said:

I will also add to the OP to not be discouraged. The lews in my last example is a fine reel for its use(s) of jig/spinner bait rig and the noise does not cut into the performance at all. Your dawai will still perform well once you grease and oil it.

Yea I mean it definitely performs fine. I can easily tell the difference in the way this handles the spool vs the Curado k I had. I just feel like for $200 it would be a bit more refined out of the box.

[AmmoGuy]

1 hour ago, BaitFinesse said:

I think most guys just mount them to a rod and don't notice the smoothness or noise until it becomes so bad that it is really obvious when fishing.  Guys like this are why Tatulas exist.  Good performance without all that expensive and bothersome refinement.  If you can appreciate refinement in a reel then don't buy a Tatula and if you do be prepared to flush and oil bearing as well as clean and grease the gears right out of the box.  Even then that is no guarantee.  You might have crunchy but functional bearings right out of the box that need replaced if you want smooth.

 

 

Amen. 

[PhishLI]

2 hours ago, BaitFinesse said:

I think most guys just mount them to a rod and don't notice the smoothness or noise until it becomes so bad that it is really obvious when fishing. 

Couple of things here. Much of this can be ascribed to the condition known as Fishing Forum-itis. It's analogous to someone with a hangnail googling the condition, then finding themselves convinced that they need a head transplant.

 

Besides my core group, I fish with a bunch of different people, and pretty much have a talent for talking to strangers anywhere about anything. I'm chatty when I'm in the mood, and pretty much up to snuff on what's happening reel-wise. One brief compliment in passing given about someone's gear will usually have them ready to gab. The truth is that everyone seems to love, or like, what they have, whether they're strangers or friends. I can't recall one guy hating, or even complaining about what they were fishing with except for one, and that was a guy with a cheapo Kastking that he couldn't get dialed in even after he'd given it the full Boca treatment. "Kastking Jared" also watches Bootytrain on YT, so he was concerned about mushy thumbars, etc. YouTube-itis. He has a Scorpion DC now, so his condition has stabilized, for the moment at least.

 

It's true that certain issues do exist in particular reels, but the vast majority of users do not notice or care about them even a little bit, if my sample size means anything. Whatever might be going on is accepted as normal, or not problematic, or impactful enough to do anything about. If there isn't an outright malfunction, then all is well as far as most people are concerned. The few who end up here or elsewhere seeking answers will realize their worst fears come true, but that isn't many in comparison to the hordes. Ignorance is bliss, or just maybe there are more important things to focus on, for them anyway.

[Chaos10691]

13 minutes ago, PhishLI said:

Couple of things here. Much of this can be ascribed to the condition known as Fishing Forum-itis. It's analogous to someone with a hangnail googling the condition, then finding themselves convinced that they need a head transplant.

 

Besides my core group, I fish with a bunch of different people, and pretty much have a talent for talking to strangers anywhere about anything. I'm chatty when I'm in the mood, and pretty much up to snuff on what's happening reel-wise. One brief compliment in passing given about someone's gear will usually have them ready to gab. The truth is that everyone seems to love, or like, what they have, whether they're strangers or friends. I can't recall one guy hating, or even complaining about what they were fishing with except for one, and that was a guy with a cheapo Kastking that he couldn't get dialed in even after he'd given it the full Boca treatment. "Kastking Jared" also watches Bootytrain on YT, so he was concerned about mushy thumbars, etc. YouTube-itis. He has a Scorpion DC now, so his condition has stabilized, for the moment at least.

 

It's true that certain issues do exist in particular reels, but the vast majority of users do not notice or care about them even a little bit, if my sample size means anything. Whatever might be going on is accepted as normal, or not problematic, or impactful enough to do anything about. If there isn't an outright malfunction, then all is well as far as most people are concerned. The few who end up here or elsewhere seeking answers will realize their worst fears come true, but that isn't many in comparison to the hordes. Ignorance is bliss, or just maybe there are more important things to focus on, for them anyway.

Man this was a straight therapy session. Very well said and I think you’re right. I don’t really compare my stuff to other peoples. I compare it to other gear I have owned. Like the 2nd Curado  I got I noticed immediately it wasn’t as smooth or powerful and the other Curado I had. That’s my issue with this Daiwa. I had a Fuego that was literally given to me in pieces. I cleaned them all, greased, and oiled it. Once it was back together it was like reeling in air. It was so smooth and casted so cleanly. That’s why I’m weirded out by this Tatula that costs twice as much and feels less refined than that Fuego.

[Chaos10691]

Just now, BaitFinesse said:

Because you fixed tbe Fuego.  They are as bad or worse than your Tatula SV out of the box.  Also I wouldn't expect vastly difference feel between two  Daiwa reels of similar platforms even at different pricepoints.  A Tatula CT based Fuego CT and a Tatula 100 reel?  I wouldn't expect a huge difference.  The new Zillion and a Tatula?  Yes.  

 

Ya that’s fair I guess. I would just think out of the box there shouldn’t be anything to fix. Next one I’ll get I’ll strip it down first before taking it out.

[PhishLI]

26 minutes ago, Chaos10691 said:

I cleaned them all, greased, and oiled it. Once it was back together it was like reeling in air.

Yes, but what you or I consider "like reeling in air" would probably leave @BaitFinesse connected to a Lithium IV drip to stave off convulsions?

[GReb]

I’ve bought 9 variants of the Tatula line in the last two years. I think the only model I haven’t owned is the Elite pitch and flip. 7 of the 9 were very smooth at purchase. The other 2 were acceptable for the price. I’ve sold a few of them but I’d call you all liars if it wasn’t for my fishing partner buying several that were in my opinion not acceptable. I cleaned and lubed mine and his as date of purchase and after. His have never been smooth. I guess I was fortunate. 

[AmmoGuy]

20 hours ago, PhishLI said:

Couple of things here. Much of this can be ascribed to the condition known as Fishing Forum-itis.

 

Man this is so true. But as long as you're cognizant of it, then no harm no foul. The fact is, that most of us that seek out forums like this, and spend time reading gear threads, are also the type that care about noisy reels. 

 

Then you have guys like Wheeler out their demolishing folks with noisy Ducketts, ha. This amount of noise on the cast would drive some of us up the wall. He probably doesn't notice or care. 

 

[txchaser]

I expect most people don't care much about the occassional one with gearyness, otherwise there would be a pile of returned ones back at HQ and someone would go fix whatever the root cause is. 

 

Problem for me is every fourth rod I pick up it goes from butter-smooth to "does this have an off button?" the vibration is nice to relax my hands but eventually starts grinding my gears