Cancelled the Daiwa Fuego 2500. I need a good lightweight spinning reel for the victory 610MLXF

[E-H]

I had ordered the Daiwa Fuego but even though the shop said it was in stock, it wasn't.  I cancelled the order after a few days.

 

Back and forth about which reel to go with the Victory 610MLXF for SMB.

 

2500 is probably the size I am looking into.  Looking for something "similar" to the Vanford 3000 with a bit less cost.  Less than the C14 too if possible.

 

Should be lightweight (under 8 oz) to match the rod which comes in at just over 3 oz.

 

I have researched forever and thought the Fuego was going to be it, but it is plastic and if I am going to spend $100 + I want it to last.  And I heard about the line loading issue (unbalanced).

 

Other alternatives?  Mostly topwater (80% in the summer), ned, crank....typical stuff.  No fish over 4lbs where I go and only SMB ranging from 9" to 18".

 

The Tatula is a little more than I want to spend too...although tempting.

[new2BC4bass]

Check out the reviews on TW about the Exceler LT.  Or for more money and less weight the Procyon LT.

[Eric 26]

I know I’m beating a dead horse but look into the Piscifun Carbon X 2000. Supposedly made on the same line as the Daiwa Tatula.

[E-H]

30 minutes ago, new2BC4bass said:

Check out the reviews on TW about the Exceler LT.  Or for more money and less weight the Procyon LT.

Thanks!  Both very good options.

20 minutes ago, Eric 26 said:

I know I’m beating a dead horse but look into the Piscifun Carbon X 2000. Supposedly made on the same line as the Daiwa Tatula.

Is this true?  That price is incredible if it is.

[WRB]

Victory is 6’10” MLXF, Amazon still list the Daiwa reel in stock.

[JustJames]

If you consider Fuego as plastic reel, then Vanford or Tatula are also plastic with a little bit fancy carbon fiber mixed in.

if you want aluminum it gonna be hard to find light weight, the one below 8oz would be Stradic FL 7.9oz or go down to 2000 size the. You have FL below 7oz.

[Deplorable Fisherman]

9 hours ago, E-H said:

I have researched forever and thought the Fuego was going to be it, but it is plastic and if I am going to spend $100 + I want it to last.  And I heard about the line loading issue (unbalanced).

It's not really plastic...and I've been using a Fuego LT 2500 since they came out for jerk baits and top water at a creek, probably the most abuse you would put a spinning reel through and it's as solid as the day I got it. I have zero issues with line lay (they put extra washers in the box just in case but I never needed it). If you want a metal body reel it's not going to be light.

9 hours ago, Eric 26 said:

I know I’m beating a dead horse but look into the Piscifun Carbon X 2000. Supposedly made on the same line as the Daiwa Tatula.

Just because it's made in the same factory doesn't mean it's the same quality. Other than rumors, I see zero indication Piscifun is actually made in the same factory anyway...

[MickD]

Pflueger Supreme is an excellent reel for about $100.  I've used one for a couple years now and it's a fine reel.  

 

There is nothing wrong with "plastic reels."  The materials are reinforced plastics that perform very well, in fishing reels, automobiles, and airplanes.  And many other products.  The advantage is that the reel can be lighter than all metal reels.

[MickD]

4 minutes ago, BaitFinesse said:

It is plastic

What is "it?"

[MickD]

My question is what reel are you referring to with "it?"

 

[Randy Price]

Hard to beat the regular Stradic.  I have and use the Fuego but have had line lay issues with it from day one.  Yes they include washers but why do they continue to make a product they know to be defective.  I do not think that I should spend $ 100.00 and then have to fix it.  Not trying to start a war just disappointed in Daiwa.

[Deplorable Fisherman]

42 minutes ago, MickD said:

My question is what reel are you referring to with "it?"

 

I think he means the Fuego LT is plastic. This term is pretty vague. To say something is plastic doesn't really mean the traditional plastics people think of. I'm an HVAC Engineer in sales. Our company owns a parts store and they sell "plastic" pads for equipment...it's really a composite material capable of holding 100's of lbs of equipment. It's hardly a weak or frail material. Just because it isn't made of metal doesn't mean it's weak. In fact, these materials are often stronger and obviously lighter than metals and are not prone to corrosion. 

[E-H]

9 hours ago, WRB said:

Victory is 6’10” MLXF, Amazon still list the Daiwa reel in stock.

I have a 6’6” AvidX.  The victory is 6’ 10. Just switched it in the description.  The Daiwa Fuego I ordered was from a different place.  I don’t use Amazon and try to buy local or smaller places.

3 hours ago, Bass_Fishing_Socal said:

If you consider Fuego as plastic reel, then Vanford or Tatula are also plastic with a little bit fancy carbon fiber mixed in.

if you want aluminum it gonna be hard to find light weight, the one below 8oz would be Stradic FL 7.9oz or go down to 2000 size the. You have FL below 7oz.

I just read it had more flex and it was due to more plastic construction. 
 

I don’t know anything other than that.  I just was pointing out that I would prefer something that will last.  The line lay issue is the other reason I leaned against the Fuego LT.

 

If the Vanford is “plastic” than I don’t have a problem with that ratio or whatever.  Again - just want something that will last a long time and will stay smooth on casts and retrieves and drag. 

[E-H]

1 hour ago, MickD said:

Pflueger Supreme is an excellent reel for about $100.  I've used one for a couple years now and it's a fine reel.  

 

There is nothing wrong with "plastic reels."  The materials are reinforced plastics that perform very well, in fishing reels, automobiles, and airplanes.  And many other products.  The advantage is that the reel can be lighter than all metal reels.

I just read it had flex due to the plastics.  So a plastic with no flex would be fine and without known line lay issues. 

 

 

[MickD]

30 minutes ago, E-H said:

I just read it had flex due to the plastics.  So a plastic with no flex would be fine and without known line lay issues. 

You believe everything you read?  The Supreme has a magnesium frame.  All plastics are not the same.  Everything flexes.  Amount depends on its strength relative to the stress.  I've never had a Daiwa reel that didn't perform very well, and some are "plastic." 

 

Everything you read on internet forums is opinion, and many with opinions don't really know what they are talking about.  Or they use terms that are not really specific.  Like "it."  We have finally found out that "it" referred to reels with plastic bodies.  Then someone thought he had been told that the Supreme was "plastic" and therefore it "flexed."  This is getting ridiculous.

[new2BC4bass]

50 minutes ago, BaitFinesse said:

Also not all of these fancy plastics are created equal.  Daiwa's Zaion and Shimano's Ci4+ are very regid and rival magnesium alloy in strength to weight ratio.  Its still worse but its up there. The Fuego LT makes use of a lower carbon content resin.  Not sure where it stacks up with the competition.  I really wish they all used name brand resins and we had data sheets on the rigidity and stenght of each instead of shadowy market jargon proprietary goop.

Corrected spelling.  poop 

[E-H]

28 minutes ago, MickD said:

You believe everything you read?  The Supreme has a magnesium frame.  All plastics are not the same.  Everything flexes.  Amount depends on its strength relative to the stress.  I've never had a Daiwa reel that didn't perform very well, and some are "plastic." 

 

Everything you read on internet forums is opinion, and many with opinions don't really know what they are talking about.  Or they use terms that are not really specific.  Like "it."  We have finally found out that "it" referred to reels with plastic bodies.  Then someone thought he had been told that the Supreme was "plastic" and therefore it "flexed."  This is getting ridiculous.

Multiple people who own the Fuego LT talked about the issue - from actual owners - including Randy above (who has given me solid advice in the past).   And no I don't believe everything I read.  C'mon man.  It's a known issue and so is the line lay issue.  Seems the Fuego LT, which I decided against has more flex than most.  Just looking for something solid.  I like the Vanford so far but haven't fished with it much yet.  Something similar - light weight that is a good long-term reel in the 150 range - not over 200.

 

I will never mention the word "Pxxxxxc" again around here.  ?  Didn't realize it was a hot-topic.

 

Going back to the topic at hand - I like the Procyon LT and Exceler as options as mentioned from new2BC4bass on the first post.  Those are definitely contenders for the price.

[AmmoGuy]

13 hours ago, new2BC4bass said:

Check out the reviews on TW about the Exceler LT.  Or for more money and less weight the Procyon LT.

 

This.

Or go to BP and get a Carbonlite 2.0 if you want an Exceler with a shallow spool. 

[galyonj]

1 hour ago, BaitFinesse said:

Just don't wind against the fish as it is bending the stem or back off on the drag and give the reel frame a rest.

 

I'd be willing to bet that a lot of people (read that as casual anglers) have the drag set entirely too tight on their spinning reels anyway.

 

Of course, around here, that group probably has a significant amount of crossover with the people that leave hundreds of yards of 50lb Big Game wadded up on the bank beside an empty cup of nightcrawler dirt and a broken Ugly Stik.

 

Artistically, though. Like a little tableau about how much damage one person can do to the optics of an entire hobby if they try hard and believe in themselves.

[evilcatfish]

I've had a Fuego 2500 LT for a while now and have had zero issues aside from having to add a washer to fix the line lay issue. Looking forward to bringing it to with me to Sturgeon Bay in a few weeks

[E-H]

2 minutes ago, AmmoGuy said:

 

This.

Or go to BP and get a Carbonlite 2.0 if you want an Exceler with a shallow spool. 

Yep - the Procyon LT or Exceler seem like good options.  I just typed that above again.  Looking for those type of reels.  I have a Carbonlite 2.0 in 1000 and it's fine , but I want to move to the 2500 as I have lost a few larger bass on the 4lb test on that reel.

[AmmoGuy]

1 minute ago, E-H said:

Multiple people who own the Fuego LT talked about the issue - from actual owners - including Randy above (who has given me solid advice in the past).   And no I don't believe everything I read.  C'mon man.  It's a known issue and so is the line lay issue.  Seems the Fuego LT, which I decided against has more flex than most.  Just looking for something solid.  I like the Vanford so far but haven't fished with it much yet.  Something similar - light weight that is a good long-term reel in the 150 range - not over 200.

 

I will never mention the word "Pxxxxxc" again around here.  ?  Didn't realize it was a hot-topic.

 

Going back to the topic at hand - I like the Procyon LT and Exceler as options as mentioned from new2BC4bass on the first post.  Those are definitely contenders for the price.

 

The Feugo isn't going to flex any more or less than the other non-Zaion LT reels. In a 2500 size LT reel the "flex" will never be an issue, especially with no fish over 4lbs. You'll literally never notice it. 

 

The line lay "issue" is often misconstrued. The line is supposed to spool in a cone shape. Not completely flat like a lot of people assume. 

 

The Procyon LT is, for all intents and purposes is just a deep spool Tatula LT. 

 

The BPS Carbonlite 2.0 is and Exceler LT with a couple of spool bearings and a shallow spool. 

 

The BPS or Exceler will suite your needs fine. 

 

 

[galyonj]

1 minute ago, AmmoGuy said:

The line lay "issue" is often misconstrued. The line is supposed to spool in a cone shape. Not completely flat like a lot of people assume. 

 

For real?

 

Not prepping for an argument -- I'm genuinely curious about this.

[E-H]

2 minutes ago, AmmoGuy said:

 

The Feugo isn't going to flex any more or less than the other non-Zaion LT reels. In a 2500 size LT reel the "flex" will never be an issue, especially with no fish over 4lbs. You'll literally never notice it. 

 

The line lay "issue" is often misconstrued. The line is supposed to spool in a cone shape. Not completely flat like a lot of people assume. 

 

The Procyon LT is, for all intents and purposes is just a deep spool Tatula LT. 

 

The BPS Carbonlite 2.0 is and Exceler LT with a couple of spool bearings and a shallow spool. 

 

The BPS or Exceler will suite your needs fine. 

 

 

Thanks for the info.  I am sure they would be fine too just want a trouble-free solid light-weight reel under 150 to go with the Victory rod.  That thing is so stinkin' light.  It's very similar to the Avid X.  Excited about getting the reel for it and getting to the lake...

 

 

[AmmoGuy]

2 minutes ago, galyonj said:

 

For real?

 

Not prepping for an argument -- I'm genuinely curious about this.

 

I am not speaking for ALL line lay issues, but Daiwa ABS kind of works that way.