gear ratios

[David Austin]

Are you really going to be able to tell that much difference between a 6.3:1 and a 7.3:1 baitcast reel?  The 6.3:1 reel is 24.8 line per crank and the 7.3:1 reel is 28 line per crank.  Are you really going to notice 3.2 line per crank???

[garroyo130]

If fished side by side you will. Do the fish care ... idk 

[Eric 26]

Just now, garroyo130 said:

If fished side by side you will. Do the fish care ... idk 

Hit the nail on the head ?

[David Austin]

7 minutes ago, garroyo130 said:

If fished side by side you will. Do the fish care ... idk 

 

Don't know if the 7.3:1 would be better or if the 6.3:1 would be better for what I'd use it for.  I would be using it for light texas rigs (1/4-5/16oz and maybe a little bigger, but not much), senkos, flukes, and other small finesse type stuff.  Found a brand new Daiwa SV TW (new 2020 version) for like $50 cheaper at a small shop here.  They only had the 6.3 and I think they had an 8.1.  The rod is a sierra 703c by the way.

 

[bulldog1935]

that's a 15% difference in lure speed, 15% difference in torque you're able to deliver through the gears - at what point do you notice it?  

It's enough difference that you should be able to identify which you prefer for a fishing niche.  It's enough difference you might prefer a different handle pitch.  

[garroyo130]

you should have explained that ... at a $50 discount i wont notice the difference ?

[David Austin]

Just now, garroyo130 said:

you should have explained that ... at a $50 discount i wont notice the difference ?

If you had to pick would the 6.3 or the 8.1 be better for that?

[Eric 26]

7 minutes ago, David Austin said:

 

Don't know if the 7.3:1 would be better or if the 6.3:1 would be better for what I'd use it for.  I would be using it for light texas rigs (1/4-5/16oz and maybe a little bigger, but not much), senkos, flukes, and other small finesse type stuff.  Found a brand new Daiwa SV TW (new 2020 version) for like $50 cheaper at a small shop here.  They only had the 6.3 and I think they had an 8.1.  The rod is a sierra 703c by the way.

 

Is it 6.3:1 vs 7.3:1 or 8.?:1 ?  There is going to be a slightly larger difference between 6 vs 8 speed. You’re talking 26” vs 34”.

[garroyo130]

3 minutes ago, David Austin said:

If you had to pick would the 6.3 or the 8.1 be better for that?

 

6.3 all the way 

[bulldog1935]

if I picked an 8.1, I'd put a long handle on it, which lets me put more torque into the drive.  

 

6.3, I'd fish it with a short handle, which lets me crank faster.  

 

[David Austin]

Just now, Eric 26 said:

Is it 6.3:1 vs 7.3:1 or 8.?:1 ?  There is going to be a slightly larger difference between 6-8 speed.

They only had a 6.3 and an 8.1.  They didn't have a 7.3 and said they didnt know when they would get a 7.3 since everyone is low on stock.

[Eric 26]

6 minutes ago, David Austin said:

They only had a 6.3 and an 8.1.  They didn't have a 7.3 and said they didnt know when they would get a 7.3 since everyone is low on stock.

Sorry added on to my previous content. If it were me and I’m not telling anyone how to spend their money I’d save the $50.00 and learn to speed up my retrieve or buy the 8 speed and do what bulldog suggested, which he will explain why to you if you ask him nicely I’m sure?

[David Austin]

5 minutes ago, garroyo130 said:

 

6.3 all the way 

Looks like I might have to go back to the store when they open monday.  lol  Don't know how they are able to sell it cheaper than every other place.  A lot of their reel are cheaper.  They also had the lews tournament pro for 150 and its normally 199 everywhere.

[Eric 26]

7 minutes ago, David Austin said:

Looks like I might have to go back to the store when they open monday.  lol  Don't know how they are able to sell it cheaper than every other place.  A lot of their reel are cheaper.  They also had the lews tournament pro for 150 and its normally 199 everywhere.

Don’t ask why, just be happy you found the deal ? 

[jimmyjoe]

   If you have a low-resistance lure, you won't notice anything. The more resistance you have, the more you'll notice the difference.

   For the finesse-type stuff you mentioned, I doubt you could tell the difference.           jj

[new2BC4bass]

2 hours ago, David Austin said:

 

Don't know if the 7.3:1 would be better or if the 6.3:1 would be better for what I'd use it for.  I would be using it for light texas rigs (1/4-5/16oz and maybe a little bigger, but not much), senkos, flukes, and other small finesse type stuff.  Found a brand new Daiwa SV TW (new 2020 version) for like $50 cheaper at a small shop here.  They only had the 6.3 and I think they had an 8.1.  The rod is a sierra 703c by the way.

 

Very nice combo! You will enjoy it no matter the gear ratio pick, but personally I would go for the 6.3:1 for versatility.

 

[mrpao]

22 hours ago, jimmyjoe said:

   If you have a low-resistance lure, you won't notice anything. The more resistance you have, the more you'll notice the difference.

   For the finesse-type stuff you mentioned, I doubt you could tell the difference.           jj

I agree.

Throw a big spinnerbait or crankbait and you want a lower gear ratio.

For light stuff, you'll not notice.

[WRB]

Every gear ratio changes IPT during the cast length, longer cast reduces IPT.

Bottom contact lures most folks use the rod to move the lures, reel to take up slack line, no effect on lure speed.

If you are moving the lure with the reel  then IPT comes into play lure speed and increased water resistance.

Longer reel handle has zero affect on gear ratio, gives you more leverage to turn the handle to move the gears.

Few lures create excessive water resistance, deep diving long  billed crank baits  and large bladed spinnerbaits are 2 that come to mind where lower gear ratios are an advantage.

Reel size is more important consideration regarding gear ratio’s. Larger and wider spools have higher IPT then smaller 100 size reels that tend to have higher gear ratios to increase IPT.

Tom

 

[Skunkmaster-k]

21 minutes ago, WRB said:

Few lures create excessive water resistance, deep diving long  billed crank baits  and large bladed spinnerbaits are 2 that come to mind where lower gear ratios are an advantage.

I learned this well last weekend. The Revo Rocket is not a good reel for spinnerbaits . 

[bulldog1935]

The erroneous handle statement gets repeated over and over on this forum.  

A reel is a gearbox.  You put torque into it, reduced torque comes out of it, some of that work turned into speed.  The more speed, the less torque.  

Open the hood on your car.  Your transmission doesn't do anything without the engine.  

If you put more torque into the reel through a longer handle, you get more torque out of it.  

The length of the handle affects how fast you turn the reel - it's simple ergonomics.  With a shorter handle you can spin faster because you use more wrist and less arm.  If you match it with lower gears, it's still easy to turn.  

A longer handle is easier to turn because of the leverage, but you don't naturally turn it as fast.  

If you work the circumference of each handle rotation, it exactly plugs into the effective final gear ratio.  Power equals force-times-distance.  Torque equals force-times-radius; in this case, radius = handle pitch.    

[WRB]

55 minutes ago, bulldog1935 said:

The erroneous handle statement gets repeated over and over on this forum.  

A reel is a gearbox.  You put torque into it, reduced torque comes out of it, some of that work turned into speed.  The more speed, the less torque.  

Open the hood on your car.  Your transmission doesn't do anything without the engine.  

If you put more torque into the reel through a longer handle, you get more torque out of it.  

The length of the handle affects how fast you turn the reel - it's simple ergonomics.  With a shorter handle you can spin faster because you use more wrist and less arm.  If you match it with lower gears, it's still easy to turn.  

A longer handle is easier to turn because of the leverage, but you don't naturally turn it as fast.  

If you work the circumference of each handle rotation, it exactly plugs into the effective final gear ratio.  Power equals force-times-distance.  Torque equals force-times-radius.  

Do see the word torque in my reply?

Gears are levers, larger diameter gear turning a smaller diameter is the same as a lower lever vs a shorter lever. Torque the force applied to the gear shaft is supplied with reel by the user. A longer reel handle gives the user more leverage then a shorter handle requiring more energy to turn the shaft. Example no handle takes a great energy to turn the gear shaft using your finger tips only. Add a handle to increase leverage using less energy.

a gear ratio as a smaller large gear the drive gear, longer handle increases the leverage making easier to apply the same energy.

What gets lost is speed turning the gears using a longer handle because of the increased circumference. 

Somewhere in all this is you comfort zone turning the reel handle. Reel mfr’s supply a handle designed for a given gear ration for the majority anglers.Higher gear ratios with longer handles, lower gear ratios with shorter handle.

Tom

PS, we agree

 

Edited May 2, 2021 by WRB

[bulldog1935]

and the spool is on the reaction side of the force balance.  

If you have a big fish on your line, a larger spool means you have to overcome more opposing torque to be able to turn the crank, the smaller spool is easier to take up (less) line.  

[WRB]

Not LMB or SMB I can’t control on this planet  with a 100 to 300 size reel. Let the fish fight the rod, use the it’s use reel to take up line within the drag force. You can stop the spool turning with thumb force plus the drag fresh water bass.

The question as I recall was gear ratio, line pulling force has nothing to do with gear ratios and anti reverse reels.

Tom

 

[Boomstick]

On 5/1/2021 at 4:34 PM, David Austin said:

 

Don't know if the 7.3:1 would be better or if the 6.3:1 would be better for what I'd use it for.  I would be using it for light texas rigs (1/4-5/16oz and maybe a little bigger, but not much), senkos, flukes, and other small finesse type stuff.  Found a brand new Daiwa SV TW (new 2020 version) for like $50 cheaper at a small shop here.  They only had the 6.3 and I think they had an 8.1.  The rod is a sierra 703c by the way.

 

For most of those lures, I would prefer the 7.1:1 just so I could quickly take up slack easier, but the 6.3:1 will work just fine.

[newapti5]

It's only during the time of a hooked SMB charging on me that I question myself "why the heck didn't I get a faster reel?!"