New Lund questions...

[Cyclones]

First time boat owner, took my Lund Rebel XL 1650 out for the first time today. I’m a total noob, so maybe I have unrealistic ideas about what should happen, but I have a couple of questions about my experience. 1. The boat rides heavy on the port side—meaning it noticeably leans that way. Normal? It was me and another person in the boat, very little gear and a full tank of gas. 2. The rear jump seats get WET. There is a decent spray that come up on the starboard side of the motor, hits the motor and then sprays/redirects right into the back of the boat. That seems.....not ok? It’s like a steady spray. Maybe it’s from how I was driving as a rookie? I admittedly have little idea how to efficiently use the trim. Thanks for any advice/help!

[Dwight Hottle]

Is the spray coming from the transducer? Some Humminbird transducers did that. The fix was to install a rubber plug between the braces to deflect the spray downward. Available from Humminbird. I have heard of Lunds listing to the port side. Ask your dealer if there is a way to redistribute the weight by moving the batteries. Welcome to boat ownership 101. 

[Cyclones]

The transducer is on that side...I’ll look into the plug, thanks!

[Deleted account]

No way to tell for sure without seeing it, sounds like you have two different issues, the listing, and the spray coming back into the boat, they may be related or not. Rookie driver I am sure is adding to the equation. Rule out weight distribution, and something causing the spray, like a transducer, or other fitting. 

[MickD]

Most likely the transducer is the problem with the spray.  I have that boat so I know it's not the boat.  But the dealer was a total "no-help" with the transducer.  Depending on the transducer, the depth of it can be critical to both the spray and its performance.  When on plane it should be placed such that has solid water beneath it, but it's not throwing water.  Experiment with it.  Start with its height such that a line coming directly back from the plane of the boat's bottom splits the transducer, then go from there.

 

Regarding having a tilt or lean, are you talking about static or under power.  If static, there is loading of the boat that's causing it, regardless of what you might think.  If under power, then it's most likely the little tab on the engine that's designed to offset the torque of the prop to make the boat go straight.  You may be getting the lean as a reaction to the correction you're adding to the steering to get the boat to go straight.  Try changing its attitude.  

[Cyclones]

49 minutes ago, MickD said:

Most likely the transducer is the problem with the spray.  I have that boat so I know it's not the boat.  But the dealer was a total "no-help" with the transducer.  Depending on the transducer, the depth of it can be critical to both the spray and its performance.  When on plane it should be placed such that has solid water beneath it, but it's not throwing water.  Experiment with it.  Start with its height such that a line coming directly back from the plane of the boat's bottom splits the transducer, then go from there.

Do you have a plug in your transducer mount?  I’ve heard now that the plug can remedy this.  Maybe I should try that first....

this is what my mount looks like....

I guess the plug fits in the slot between the screws and the cylinder part of the bracket?

 

 

[Dwight Hottle]

Yes the plug goes in the recess between the vertical plate & horizontal arms. That plug should have come with the transducer. If you call Humminbird service they will probably send you one for free to fix the problem. The only way I know about the fix is because I had the same problem. 

[slonezp]

12 minutes ago, Dwight Hottle said:

Yes the plug goes in the recess between the vertical plate & horizontal arms. That plug should have come with the transducer. If you call Humminbird service they will probably send you one for free to fix the problem. The only way I know about the fix is because I had the same problem. 

This^^^^^

 

Humminbird part#407079

 

If Humminbird won't give you one, I have one I can send you

[Deleted account]

59 minutes ago, MickD said:

 I have that boat so I know it's not the boat. 

You are probably right, but that's not a certainty. It could be the mounting of the motor, the pitch of the prop, a hook or other similar issue with the hull, to name a few, but if I was a betting man (and I am) I would go with weight distribution and driving.

[Scott F]

1 hour ago, Cyclones said:

Do you have a plug in your transducer mount?  I’ve heard now that the plug can remedy this.  Maybe I should try that first....

this is what my mount looks like....

I guess the plug fits in the slot between the screws and the cylinder part of the bracket?

 

 

The picture might be deceiving but to me, it looks like the transducer might be a bit to low. Loosen the screws and raise it up just a bit so that the bottom of the transducer is just a little bit below the bottom of the hull. 

[Cyclones]

14 minutes ago, Scott F said:

The picture might be deceiving but to me, it looks like the transducer might be a bit to low. Loosen the screws and raise it up just a bit so that the bottom of the transducer is just a little bit below the bottom of the hull. 

Just doubled checked and it sits just a bit lower than the bottom of the hull 

[HenryPF]

If the dealer was no help, this place is  called **** Resource for a reason! - Post a pic for everyone to see your transducer in relation to the bottom of the boat, from the side. Does it look like this?

 

Pic stolen from the internet.

 

[E-rude dude]

I’m guessing the leaning is not using the trim correctly. At what speed does it lean? Idle, or when your driving it faster. 
The only time the motor should be trimmed all the way down is when you take off for speed. Once the bow starts to lower start to slowly trim up. Do it in small spurts at first to get the feel of the boat on top of the water and how the trim affects attitude. For most driving conditions while on plane the trim should be coweling level to boat to trimmed all the way up. It just takes time driving it.

 

The way to adjust the trim tab on the motor is , AT IDLE ONLY, let go of the steering wheel while going straight. Does the boat pull left or right. The trim tab can be adjusted to compensate for this pull. Then drive it at speed and make any need adjustments to compensate for pull. With manual steering there is always a little torque, but when adjusted properly you should be able to comfortably drive one handed.

[MickD]

If a "plug" is the spray solution it has to be a piece of cake to cobble one to try it out.  But I have never found one necessary when the transducer is located properly, as in the sketch above.

[Cyclones]

10 hours ago, HenryPF said:

If the dealer was no help, this place is  called **** Resource for a reason! - Post a pic for everyone to see your transducer in relation to the bottom of the boat, from the side. Does it look like this?

 

Pic stolen from the internet.

 

 

3 hours ago, E-rude dude said:

I’m guessing the leaning is not using the trim correctly. At what speed does it lean? Idle, or when your driving it faster. 
The only time the motor should be trimmed all the way down is when you take off for speed. Once the bow starts to lower start to slowly trim up. Do it in small spurts at first to get the feel of the boat on top of the water and how the trim affects attitude. For most driving conditions while on plane the trim should be coweling level to boat to trimmed all the way up. It just takes time driving it.

 

I’ve only had her out once, but I believe it was noticeable while underway for sure, not necessarily at faster speeds.  Don’t remember if it was that way at idle.  Going back out tomorrow so will pay attention to that.  But it was definitely very obvious while moving at least at slower speeds.  
 

As long as you guys are helping to educate me, explain the trim to me.  I get you start out all the way down.  I’d do this, then get up on plane quickly.  But I didn’t really feel like the position of the boat would change much with small adjustments—only would start slapping a bit of I trimmed too much.  Big thing I noticed—small trim adjustments up while on plane would increase mph by 3-5 mph.  On plane, I should be running basically parallel to the water, yes?

[E-rude dude]

29 minutes ago, Cyclones said:

 

I’ve only had her out once, but I believe it was noticeable while underway for sure, not necessarily at faster speeds.  Don’t remember if it was that way at idle.  Going back out tomorrow so will pay attention to that.  But it was definitely very obvious while moving at least at slower speeds.  
 

As long as you guys are helping to educate me, explain the trim to me.  I get you start out all the way down.  I’d do this, then get up on plane quickly.  But I didn’t really feel like the position of the boat would change much with small adjustments—only would start slapping a bit of I trimmed too much.  Big thing I noticed—small trim adjustments up while on plane would increase mph by 3-5 mph.  On plane, I should be running basically parallel to the water, yes?

Preferably nose up slightly but that can look different on every boat and water conditions play a part also.

[J Francho]

I don't think this is a trim issue, and it sounds like you have a plan for the TD.  Being a deep-v hull, that port lean is invariably weight distribution, assuming the everything is set up properly.  If you fly solo, is the lean still there?  Will you be fishing alone or with a partner most often?  Does your partner weigh a lot more than you (or the gear on the starboard side)?  Is the livewell full?  Will it always be full when you go out?  These are a few things to consider.  You'll want to experiment with how you load your gear to get the best balance.  I've had a few deep-v boats in my time, and it can be as simple as moving a few tackle bags or an anchor to the other side to level out the ride.  My Bullet 21XDC was probably the most sensitive to balance at speed, so I had different arrangements for solo and partner fishing.  My advice is to move some of the weight around, and see what happens.  There's no silver bullet for this; you just have to figure it out.  

1 hour ago, Cyclones said:

As long as you guys are helping to educate me, explain the trim to me.  I get you start out all the way down.  I’d do this, then get up on plane quickly.  But I didn’t really feel like the position of the boat would change much with small adjustments—only would start slapping a bit of I trimmed too much.  Big thing I noticed—small trim adjustments up while on plane would increase mph by 3-5 mph.  On plane, I should be running basically parallel to the water, yes?

 

For top speed and fuel economy, ou want to trim as high as possible without the slapping or porpoising.  That usually happens way before cavitation or "spinning out" where the prop loses it's grip in the water.  When you anticipate turning, trim back down slightly, and steer.  The more seat time you have, you'll learn how much exactly and it will become automatic.  Remember this: you do not have to run wide open throttle (WOT) all the time.  Somewhere at 2/3 to 3/4 is usually the sweet spot for safety and fuel economy.  You can note your RPMs for where you feel most comfortable, and use that as a baseline.  GPS speed is tempting, but you'd be surprised at how much slight differences in water conditions, temperature, and barometric pressure can have.  Good luck and keep reporting and asking questions.

[Krux5506]

i've got the same boat but the 17 footer. 2010 Rebel XL Sport to be exact. My boat also tends to pull to the port side pretty hard while moving along. This is to the point where under certain circumstances, usually if it's windy or wavy, it would be enough pull to be catastrophic if I were to let go of the wheel. The wheel will basically fly over to the port side very quickly. Under calmer conditions it's not nearly as bad. I've owned the boat since 2016 and quite honestly I've done nothing to correct the issue. I've always assumed it was a trim tab issue and just never messed with it. The boat lives on a hoist at my family's cottage and if the water is really that rough or if it's that windy out, I'm not going out anyway. 

[J Francho]

6 minutes ago, Krux5506 said:

The wheel will basically fly over to the port side very quickly.

I would get this fixed.  Sounds a bit different than leaning.

[Krux5506]

1 minute ago, J Francho said:

I would get this fixed.  Sounds a bit different than leaning.

 

Yup. My only excuse is I've basically gotten used to it as one of the boat "quirks". Don't get me wrong, I'm not fighting the wheel in rough water, I could maintain it just fine with one hand, but there's definitely something going on there. 

[TnRiver46]

Sounds like your passenger made

one too many return trips to the buffet (and hopefully used a new plate each time)

[Cyclones]

17 minutes ago, TnRiver46 said:

Sounds like your passenger made

one too many return trips to the buffet (and hopefully used a new plate each time)

I’ll let her know you said that!

[TnRiver46]

9 minutes ago, Cyclones said:

I’ll let her know you said that!

Her????! Don’t do that for your own good and mine !!!!

I bought a boat one time that seemed like it ran a little weird. I had to lay down and crawl under the front deck and found 2 solid concrete blocks , I think it was a tad over powered and the previous owner put them there to take some stress off the transom 

[J Francho]

[Vilas15]

My rebel 1650 livewell is slightly left of center which balances out if youve got only the driver. With a full livewell and my partner in the passenger seat weighting more than me it will lean pretty good at speed. Doesnt affect steering so its not a safety issue for me. Also take into ccount where your batteries are. My starting battery is on the port side as well.