Ned rig main line and leader length

[digitalvoid]

I was thinking of use mono to flouro for a ned rig setup, but am thinking that braid is going to be a better option. I have already purchased 8lb Segar (red box) as my leader material. What size braided line is a option? I'm also curious to know about length. I know some people do half braid and half flouro, while others only do a 6 or 7 foot leader. Won't be fishing deep water at all since I can only fish from the bank. My concern with half and half is that the more I re-rie the better the odds of the leader knot going through my reel and eyes. Not sure if that would mess anything up or not. Thanks and have a good one!

[ironbjorn]

You don't do half and half. Are you thinking of when people put backing on their reel to prevent braid from slipping or to save some money on more expensive line? This technique involves putting like a couple dozen yards of cheap line on the reel first and then tying your mainline to it and filling the rest of the spool (75-100 yards of the "good" stuff).

[Cigarguy]

I put cheap 20lb backing/filler on my reels then about 75 yards (half a spool) of 15-20lb braid.  I typically use 7-12' leader of 8-12lb mono or flouro tied with an Alberto knot with a dab of superglue for my own assurance.  I do cut, use and abuse the leader then retie another one on.  For backing I use cheap mono rather than expensive flouro.  By using backing it allows me to use 1 150 yard roll of braid on 2 reels.  The weaker test leader allows me to easily break the leader when I snag.  Even when I'm not snagging I typically use 8-12 inches of leader every time I tie a terminal knot which prolongs the life of the braid mainline.  Except for 1 rod with small guides I do not have a problem with leader to mainline snag or casting problem.  For the rod with small guides I have 2 reels with 8lb mono and only mono that I can use.

 

Essentially my spinning setup, except for the 2 reels with straight mono, is a copy my fly fishing setup, backing, mainline, leader, terminal.

[li_bass_hunter]

I use 15lb braid with 3-4’ of 8lb mono leader 

[ike8120]

I use 10# High Viz braid and 10 FC leader , leader length is from the reel to the tip then back down to the reel. 

[Junk Fisherman]

10 to 20 lb braid with a 12' 8lb leader to start.  Once I get to about 6'-7' I will tie on a new leader.  

[paleus]

I like 15-20 lb braid and an 8 lb fluoro leader.

 

I tie the leader on still on the spool, then pull out a wingspan (about 6') and cut it off. 

 

6' leader lets me retie a handful of times before needing to retie the leader.

[Darth-Baiter]

29 minutes ago, Junk Fisherman said:

10 to 20 lb braid with a 12' 8lb leader to start.  Once I get to about 6'-7' I will tie on a new leader.  

Zackly!   But I go shorter before I tie on a new leader. 5’ maybe. 
 

i use yellow high vis braid. 

[Bankc]

I do 15# hi-viz braid with usually around 7-10' leader of 6# fluoro.  I'll retie on a new leader when the old one gets cut down to about 2-3'.  

[digitalvoid]

5 hours ago, Cigarguy said:

I put cheap 20lb backing/filler on my reels then about 75 yards (half a spool) of 15-20lb braid.  I typically use 7-12' leader of 8-12lb mono or flouro tied with an Alberto knot with a dab of superglue for my own assurance.  I do cut, use and abuse the leader then retie another one on.  For backing I use cheap mono rather than expensive flouro.  By using backing it allows me to use 1 150 yard roll of braid on 2 reels.  The weaker test leader allows me to easily break the leader when I snag.  Even when I'm not snagging I typically use 8-12 inches of leader every time I tie a terminal knot which prolongs the life of the braid mainline.  Except for 1 rod with small guides I do not have a problem with leader to mainline snag or casting problem.  For the rod with small guides I have 2 reels with 8lb mono and only mono that I can use.

 

Essentially my spinning setup, except for the 2 reels with straight mono, is a copy my fly fishing setup, backing, mainline, leader, terminal.

So you use mono as backing, braid as a main and flouro as a leader, if I'm understanding correctly? Do you run into any issues having that many "connections"? 

[MN Fisher]

28 minutes ago, digitalvoid said:

So you use mono as backing, braid as a main and flouro as a leader, if I'm understanding correctly? Do you run into any issues having that many "connections"? 

No more than just main-line to leader. The connection between backing and mainline should be deep enough that you never reach it on casting. If you've removed enough main-line through re-ties that you do get to it...it's time to replace the main-line.

[digitalvoid]

18 minutes ago, MN Fisher said:

No more than just main-line to leader. The connection between backing and mainline should be deep enough that you never reach it on casting. If you've removed enough main-line through re-ties that you do get to it...it's time to replace the main-line.

Since my reel holds 160 yards of braid, I should for example use something like 90 yards of backing and 60 yards of braid and then my leader of about 6-8 feet? I should have specified earlier that I have never used a leader before but want to have the increase of sensitivity and a little more durable line than mono.

[MN Fisher]

1 minute ago, digitalvoid said:

Since my reel holds 160 yards of braid, I should for example use something like 90 yards of backing and 60 yards of braid and then my leader of about 6-8 feet? I should have specified earlier that I have never used a leader before but want to have the increase of sensitivity and a little more durable line than mono.

If the backing is the same diameter as the braid - yes - though I put around 70yds of main-line on my reels. For more exact calculations...use this site.

Advanced fishing reel line capacity estimator - Pattaya Fishing

[digitalvoid]

1 hour ago, MN Fisher said:

If the backing is the same diameter as the braid - yes - though I put around 70yds of main-line on my reels. For more exact calculations...use this site.

Advanced fishing reel line capacity estimator - Pattaya Fishing

That is a great tool! Thanks so much. I never would have thought something like that would exist, although I'm not too surprised. I'm horrible and estimating things like length, distance, etc., is there an inexpensive way to measure how much line goes on the reel?

[MN Fisher]

2 minutes ago, digitalvoid said:

is there an inexpensive way to measure how much line goes on the reel?

This is what I use.

https://www.amazon.com/Berkley-BALC-Clip-on-Line-Counter/dp/B005OTYW2E

[DogBone_384]

7 hours ago, Cigarguy said:

I typically use

... ‘what he said’ ...

[Bluebasser86]

I use mono backing, whatever partial spool I have laying around, 20lb Seaguar Smackdown Flash Green mainline, 8lb Seaguar Gold Label leader, usually 3-7 feet unless I break it off and don't feel like retying one, then I'll use straight braid. 

[Cigarguy]

MN Fisher pretty much answer your question you had of me. 

 

I don't do any salt water fishing as the ocean is 10 hours drive west of me.  And no deep lakes.  So I don't ever see myself ever running out of 75+ yards of braid and leader.  And there is no fish that will run that much line.  If, by some freak accident, I do get to the backing there is cheap 20lb Pline CXX as backing tied to the braid using an Alberto knot.   This summer I'm planning on heading to the West Coast for some salt water fishing.  I will be using my buddy's salt water setup but will bring a 4000 size reel loaded with straight mono for side excursions and rock fishing.

 

As for casting, for the environment, lure weight and fish I target, I might cast 20-30 yards on a really good cast.  Sometimes just for fun I'll attach a float and let the line float down the river until I reach the backing then slowly reel it back in.  When doing this I don't attach a hook as I don't want to risk a snag and risk littering that much line in the river if I had to break the line.

[EzyEric]

I like a pretty long leader for ned rigs. 10 to 20 feet as I fish deep water.  Since the braid floats I think if affects the sink rate a bit on tiny 1/10 or less oz heads.  I like the ned rig to just hardly touch the bottom or patch of grass.  Wind could also blow the floating braid around and pull it off the bottom.  I may be over thinking it though.

[gim]

19 hours ago, Bluebasser86 said:

usually 3-7 feet unless I break it off and don't feel like retying one, then I'll use straight braid. 

What kind of results do you get using straight braid on a Ned rig? I’ve thought about trying it.

[Bluebasser86]

45 minutes ago, gimruis said:

What kind of results do you get using straight braid on a Ned rig? I’ve thought about trying it.

It usually has little effect on the bites, biggest issue is it messes with sink rate and also I lose the abrasion resistance of the fluorocarbon and I fish rocks a lot which is a problem with thin braid.

[gim]

22 minutes ago, Bluebasser86 said:

It usually has little effect on the bites, biggest issue is it messes with sink rate and also I lose the abrasion resistance of the fluorocarbon and I fish rocks a lot which is a problem with thin braid.

Ya I figured that lack of the abrasive resistant fluorocarbon would not be good on rocks. I mostly fish it on hard bottom too and there’s some zebra mussels around so I think I’ll stick with a fluoro leader. I might try straight braid in a softer bottom area without zebes though.

[Jig Man]

16 hours ago, gimruis said:

What kind of results do you get using straight braid on a Ned rig? I’ve thought about trying it.

One of the guys who fishes with me sometimes uses braid with Neds.  I use straight fluorocarbon and beat him like an unwanted step child when he does.

[Bluebasser86]

2 hours ago, Jig Man said:

On of the guys who fishes with me sometimes uses braid with Neds.  I use straight fluorocarbon and beat him like an unwanted step child when he does.

Straight flouro gets a lot more snags and catches far fewer fish in the lakes I fish but they're a lot shallower and dirtier than where you're fishing I imagine. 

[Fishnski48]

I use 20# braid with a leader of 6# or 8# mono as my leader (6-8 ft.) on a ML Spinning rod.  I have had good luck with this on my lakes here in AZ.