Issues with floro on Baitcasters

[Indiana Bass Angler]

This is my first post here and I apologize in advance as im sure this topic has been discussed before but im wondering if anyone has had any issues going from 15lb fluro to 17lb floro on a Baitcasters? I had 17lb SeaGuar Invizx on it and no matter what I did I couldn't get it to cast more than 20-30 feet without starting to backlash. I eventually roll casted from the bank and smacked the bank and well I couldn't save the line lol. I replaced the line with 15lb P-Line fluro and its night and day. I can whip it out a good 100 feet without any issues at all. Same bait, hook and bullet weight as before. Only difference is the 2 pound lighter line. I suppose my question is will 2lb lighter line make that much of a difference? Could it be P-line vs SeaGuar? I absolutely could have spooled on the SeaGaur incorrectly or maybe to much. Im no professional by any means. Thanks for any help! 

[Boomstick]

17lb Invisx should cast fine, so should 20lb or even 25lb as it runs fairly thin. Thinner line does cast better, but not that much better.

 

While it's not likely that you're throwing a baitcaster designed for only 10 and 12lb line, I have to ask what reel are you using?

[Russ E]

Sounds more like a reel setup issue than a line issue. Invisx is pretty forgiving for flourocarbon line.

I use heavier line than 17, on my pitching and flipping setups. They cast fine.

If you switched to p line fluoroclear, it may cast decent, but will break at very inopportune times.

[Jig Man]

I imagine that it is the way you have the reel set.  I use fluorocarbon in sizes 6#, 10#, 12#, 15# and 20# on my bait casting reels.  The thicker line casts a little shorter is all that I see.

[Indiana Bass Angler]

23 hours ago, Boomstick said:

17lb Invisx should cast fine, so should 20lb or even 25lb as it runs fairly thin. Thinner line does cast better, but not that much better.

 

While it's not likely that you're throwing a baitcaster designed for only 10 and 12lb line, I have to ask what reel are you using?

I was having the issue on my 2021 Lews Mach Crush combo

23 hours ago, Russ E said:

Sounds more like a reel setup issue than a line issue. Invisx is pretty forgiving for flourocarbon line.

I use heavier line than 17, on my pitching and flipping setups. They cast fine.

If you switched to p line fluoroclear, it may cast decent, but will break at very inopportune times.

Is P-Line known to have breaking issues? I read good things about Invisx but didn't want to buy more premium line just to experiment with

Is using the "Quote" button to reply the correct way? Not sure as I've never been part of a forum before

[Boomstick]

50 minutes ago, Indiana Bass Angler said:

I was having the issue on my 2021 Lews Mach Crush combo

Is P-Line known to have breaking issues? I read good things about Invisx but didn't want to buy more premium line just to experiment with

 

 

I have no direct experience with the Lews Mach Crush combo, but I can't imagine it's any worse than an Abu Garcia Black max which I have used successfully. What rod are you using, including power and action? And what were you throwing? I'm thinking if it's a light lure on a heavier rod, the difference might be noticeable but I just can't imagine it being as bad as you describe.

 

I have heard about breaking issues with Fluoroclear, but my issue was it was the absolute worst casting line I have ever used and had horrible memory as well.

 

50 minutes ago, Indiana Bass Angler said:

Is using the "Quote" button to reply the correct way? Not sure as I've never been part of a forum before

You can use quote to specifically reply to one statement. You're doing it right.

[Indiana Bass Angler]

3 minutes ago, Boomstick said:

 

I have no direct experience with the Lews Mach Crush combo, but I can't imagine it's any worse than an Abu Garcia Black max which I have used successfully. What rod are you using, including power and action? And what were you throwing? I'm thinking if it's a light lure on a heavier rod, the difference might be noticeable but I just can't imagine it being as bad as you describe.

 

I have heard about breaking issues with Fluoroclear, but my issue was it was the absolute worst casting line I have ever used and had horrible memory as well.

 

You can use quote to specifically reply to one statement. You're doing it right.

Its the Lews mach crush slp rod, 7 foot medium heavy, fast action. I was throwing a Texas Rig with a 1/4 bullet weight. I did notice when I used a 5/16s weight it casted better. I also tossed some 3/8s crank baits but that was a nightmare. The line I have on now is the P-Line 100% fluro isn't the fluroclear just coated in fluro?

[Boomstick]

6 minutes ago, Indiana Bass Angler said:

The line I have on now is the P-Line 100% fluro isn't the fluroclear just coated in fluro?

Oh my bad, I have no experience with P-Line 100% fluoro but yes fluoroclear is a copoly.

A 1/4oz weight on a T-rig even with a lighter plastic usually casts pretty ideally for me on a MH/F rod, especially a 5" senko so I'm at a loss.

[Indiana Bass Angler]

2 minutes ago, Boomstick said:

Oh my bad, I have no experience with P-Line 100% fluoro but yes fluoroclear is a copoly.

A 1/4oz weight on a T-rig even with a lighter plastic usually casts pretty ideally for me on a MH/F rod, especially a 5" senko so I'm at a loss.

Could be my casting technique. Not loading the rod enough and casting with to much whip. If I roll casted with the 17 pound it would cast fine. The 17 pound just looked and felt so thick so that's why I was wondering if the line was just to heavy for the reel. Ill probably go back to 17 again and try it out. I fish around a lot of lay downs and want insurance I can drag and rub against the wood. This is my first season using fluro so im not sure what will work the best. Im used to using 10 pound mono and spinning gear and never had a problem breaking a line due to abrasion. 

[Boomstick]

4 minutes ago, Indiana Bass Angler said:

Ill probably go back to 17 again and try it out.

It's worth a shot. You could even try 15#, but 17# really shouldn't be a problem especially since Invisx runs fairly thin in diameter. Also try some KVD line spray.

It may be just retraining your thumb for different line. If I switch rods or reels, sometimes my first couple casts throws me off a little as they cast a little differently.

[Indiana Bass Angler]

1 minute ago, Boomstick said:

It's worth a shot. You could even try 15#, but 17# really shouldn't be a problem especially since Invisx runs fairly thin in diameter. Also try some KVD line spray.

It may be just retraining your thumb for different line. If I switch rods or reels, sometimes my first couple casts throws me off a little as they cast a little differently.

Will do! Thank you for all your input!

 

[FishTank]

1 hour ago, Indiana Bass Angler said:

I was having the issue on my 2021 Lews Mach Crush combo

 

I had the previous version of this reel.  It seemed fine at first and I was actually surprised at how smooth and well it performed but only after a few long outings the breaking become questionable.  It wasn't line or other parts for that matter, just the breaking system was flakey.   Since I only payed a few bucks for it, I donated it at the Cabela's trade in sale.   

 

I would look to the reel before the line.  I used Invizx for years in 6lb, 12lb, 15lb, and this year 20lb with no issues. 

[Indiana Bass Angler]

7 minutes ago, FishTank said:

 

I had the previous version of this reel.  It seemed fine at first and I was actually surprised at how smooth and well it performed but only after a few long outings the breaking become questionable.  It wasn't line or other parts for that matter, just the breaking system was flakey.   Since I only payed a few bucks for it, I donated it at the Cabela's trade in sale.   

 

I would look to the reel before the line.  I used Invizx for years in 6lb, 12lb, 15lb, and this year 20lb with no issues. 

Im hoping this combo will be good for a couple years at least. Its my first mid-range (if that's what category it falls in) baitcaster and compared to the cheap stuff I learned on its fantastic. The 2021 has the magnetic and centrifugal breaks. I haven't fined tuned it yet because I don't really understand it lol. I have 2 of the 4 centrifugal breaks on and adjust the magnetic like usual. I haven't had it out on a all day trip yet but looking forward to seeing how it does

[FishTank]

50 minutes ago, Indiana Bass Angler said:

Im hoping this combo will be good for a couple years at least. Its my first mid-range (if that's what category it falls in) baitcaster and compared to the cheap stuff I learned on its fantastic. The 2021 has the magnetic and centrifugal breaks. I haven't fined tuned it yet because I don't really understand it lol. I have 2 of the 4 centrifugal breaks on and adjust the magnetic like usual. I haven't had it out on a all day trip yet but looking forward to seeing how it does

 

I have the same breaking system on an Abu Garcia reel and it works great.  It does take awhile to figure out. But once you get the idea, it can help land a bait softly in the water.  It sounds like with some practice you'll get the bugs worked out. 

[Sir Shamsalot]

I use alot of FC casting ranges 10 up to 20lb. The best reels I've found for straight FC have been the Daiwas. The Lew's, Abu, and Shimanos do work as well, but I have to pay a little bit more attention to them.

 

It's important when spooling FC onto a reel to take the line off the top of the line spool onto the baitcaster. That's called "matching the cast." It's something you do with fishing line all the way up to steel cable for crane drums. 

 

Use line conditioner when spooling, it will help soften the "cast" of the line. Spray some conditioner on the line every now and then when fishing.

 

One other thing that helps. After you spool the baitcaster, tape the spool, remove the spool, and set the spool in a cup of warm to hot water for about a minute. That will reset the "cast" of the line from the manufacturer spool diameter to your baitcaster spool diameter. 

 

Lastly. Don't overfill your baitcaster spool. I admit, I overfill mine though.

 

Terminal Knots... learn the pitzner knot/double San Diego Jam knot... they just do not break with FC.

 

Line-wise, I like Tatsu, InvizX, Shooter, and Sniper depending on the presentation. The only FC I wasn't a fan of was Berkley Vanish.

 

 

[Russ E]

11 hours ago, Indiana Bass Angler said:

I was having the issue on my 2021 Lews Mach Crush combo

Is P-Line known to have breaking issues? I read good things about Invisx but didn't want to buy more premium line just to experiment with

Is using the "Quote" button to reply the correct way? Not sure as I've never been part of a forum before

P line flourocarbon line is not bad. P line fluoroclear is very inconsistent in my opinion. The quote button is the best way to reply if you want an answer.

[Catt]

Solved the same issue with InvizX 17#, I quit buying Fluorocarbon!

[Bankc]

Fluorocarbon is bad about line memory.  So if you were using older fluorocarbon line that's been sitting on the reel for a while, it's likely developed a lot of memory that will make it more likely to backlash.  KVD L&L conditioner can help.  But if you're comparing old fluorocarbon to new fluorocarbon, the new stuff is almost always going to cast better.  

 

I got rid of fluorocarbon because I couldn't replace it often enough to keep the memory from being an issue, so I switched to Yo-Zuri Hybrid.  It's not perfect, but it presents a manageable middle ground that I can work with.  I am thinking about going back to fluorocarbon for my pitching stick, as backlashes won't be as big of a problem and I would like the slackline sensitivity.  

[Fishin Dad]

14 hours ago, Indiana Bass Angler said:

Im hoping this combo will be good for a couple years at least. Its my first mid-range (if that's what category it falls in) baitcaster and compared to the cheap stuff I learned on its fantastic. The 2021 has the magnetic and centrifugal breaks. I haven't fined tuned it yet because I don't really understand it lol. I have 2 of the 4 centrifugal breaks on and adjust the magnetic like usual. I haven't had it out on a all day trip yet but looking forward to seeing how it does

That combo will work just fine.  There has been a lot of good advice given so far.  When you spool up a baitcaster, make sure the line is coming off the spool off the top as was mentioned, but also, make sure you spool it on your reel with TENSION.  The line has to be tight or it will backlash.  Pline 100% fluoro is an awesome line.  It should continue to work well for you.  Make sure you watch a video on how to set up that particular reel and you should be good to go.

[Indiana Bass Angler]

On 4/20/2021 at 9:58 AM, Bankc said:

Fluorocarbon is bad about line memory.  So if you were using older fluorocarbon line that's been sitting on the reel for a while, it's likely developed a lot of memory that will make it more likely to backlash.  KVD L&L conditioner can help.  But if you're comparing old fluorocarbon to new fluorocarbon, the new stuff is almost always going to cast better.  

 

I got rid of fluorocarbon because I couldn't replace it often enough to keep the memory from being an issue, so I switched to Yo-Zuri Hybrid.  It's not perfect, but it presents a manageable middle ground that I can work with.  I am thinking about going back to fluorocarbon for my pitching stick, as backlashes won't be as big of a problem and I would like the slackline sensitivity.  

How often is ideal to change the line out? I usually fish every weekend so I go through line decently quick with retying baits and such.

On 4/19/2021 at 11:27 PM, Sir Shamsalot said:

I use alot of FC casting ranges 10 up to 20lb. The best reels I've found for straight FC have been the Daiwas. The Lew's, Abu, and Shimanos do work as well, but I have to pay a little bit more attention to them.

 

It's important when spooling FC onto a reel to take the line off the top of the line spool onto the baitcaster. That's called "matching the cast." It's something you do with fishing line all the way up to steel cable for crane drums. 

 

Use line conditioner when spooling, it will help soften the "cast" of the line. Spray some conditioner on the line every now and then when fishing.

 

One other thing that helps. After you spool the baitcaster, tape the spool, remove the spool, and set the spool in a cup of warm to hot water for about a minute. That will reset the "cast" of the line from the manufacturer spool diameter to your baitcaster spool diameter. 

 

Lastly. Don't overfill your baitcaster spool. I admit, I overfill mine though.

 

Terminal Knots... learn the pitzner knot/double San Diego Jam knot... they just do not break with FC.

 

Line-wise, I like Tatsu, InvizX, Shooter, and Sniper depending on the presentation. The only FC I wasn't a fan of was Berkley Vanish.

 

 

I soak my spinning reel in warm water im not sure why ive never done it with my Baitcasters. I don't ever use conditioner after the initial spool onto the reel. Ill start spraying some on ever now and then. Thanks for all the advice!

On 4/19/2021 at 10:32 PM, FishTank said:

 

I have the same breaking system on an Abu Garcia reel and it works great.  It does take awhile to figure out. But once you get the idea, it can help land a bait softly in the water.  It sounds like with some practice you'll get the bugs worked out. 

Great to hear! Im looking forward to getting properly familiar with the set up and making the adjustments it needs while im out on the lake.

[NavyVet1204]

On 4/19/2021 at 6:51 PM, Indiana Bass Angler said:

I was having the issue on my 2021 Lews Mach Crush combo

Is P-Line known to have breaking issues? I read good things about Invisx but didn't want to buy more premium line just to experiment with

Is using the "Quote" button to reply the correct way? Not sure as I've never been part of a forum before

I spooled my wife’s Mach crush combo with 15lb Seaguar red label and it’s does just fine. I have only went above 15lb test FC once and that was with P-Line at 17lb on my Revo SX and it didn’t cast well either. 12-15lb FC seems to be the sweet spot for my applications though. I’m still trying to figure braid out and where it fits on my rigs lol

[WRB]

Why use FC line? Poor knot strength, poor casting, high cost!

I use Tatsu* 12 lb FC line for advantage in feedback whenever I am using jigs in deep water 15’-45’ otherwise Sunline Armillo 11# day time or 15 lb for shallower water or night fishing jigs and bullet weight T- rigs. 

Tom

* Tatsu has a little less memory then Shooter, both are very good FC line.

[Teal]

I've very few issues with FC.   To there are 3 pretty important things to have.  

 

1. A quality FC.   Seager, and Sunline are good stuff

 

2. A quality reel, with good cast control or breaking system, with correct adjustment made

 

3.  KVD LINE AND LURE... some guys on here don't use it, some use it sometimes, but if you are new to FC, or a using a cheaper FC, or something with a lot of memory, it doesn't hurt to use it.  Its helps a ton.

 

 

[NYWayfarer]

I have the first gen Mach Crush combo. It’s spooled with 30# braid and I use it for topwater fishing with Whopper Ploppers. I can cast a whopper Plopper 90 with no issues for long distances on this setup. 1 internal brake on and usually have the mag brakes on less than halfway.

 

Before braid it was spooled with 10# Berkley Big Game for other types of fishing.

 

Don’t use much Fluoro.

[RDB]

On 4/21/2021 at 6:01 PM, Indiana Bass Angler said:

How often is ideal to change the line out? I usually fish every weekend so I go through line decently quick with retying baits and such.

You shouldn’t need to change your line that often.  Line remaining on a spool for a long period will get some memory but all you have to do is hook the line on something and give it a stretch.  I have reels I haven’t used in several years and can remove the memory in a matter of minutes.  Test it to see if I’m right.  Grab a spool of fluoro, unwind 10 feet, and stretch and see if the loops don’t come out.

 

As far as your problems, like someone else said, watch a video on setting up the Mach Crush.  Then go out in the yard, strip off about 20 yards of line, put a piece of tape on the spool, and start practicing.  There is no reason you shouldn’t be able to cast fluoro on a properly set up reel whether it’s $15, $50, 10#, or 25#.