Reel handle that pivots on a hinge

[JimB77]

I recently purchased a Shimano NASCI Spinning Reel 3000HGFB with a handle that pivots on a hinge.  Visualize the shaft coming out of the reel and then a 90 degree bend having at its end the rotating handle which you grip.  Imagine that the 90 degree bend from the shaft is hinged so the handle can flop back and forth.  What is the reason for this hinge?

I don't care for the feel and am wondering about the purpose for this feature. Am I missing something? What is the advantage? Is there a way to replace it with a normal handle? Thank you.

[MN Fisher]

Sounds like the handle isn't fully seated. All my spinning reels have the hinge when the handle is partially unscrewed - it's to make the reel more compact for storage...you can also unscrew the handle and remove it to swap sides.

 

Two ways to seat the handle

1: The handle actually unscrews from the body - hold the section with the bail and turn the handle...if it doesn't move closer or further from the body, you got type 2 - otherwise turn it until it snugs up.

2: Opposite side of the handle on the body, there's a cover that has a thumbscrew. Turn that the proper direction and the handle should snug up. Note that this type is a bit more delicate than Type 1 - so don't try to tighten down hard.

[Deleted account]

It's to fold the handle so it fits in the box. If it's tight it shouldn't move. The nut is on the other side. This type of handle does get a bit sloppy after time, but it's better than the old push button ones. 

[Spankey]

I fish some Nasci's. They are assembled correctly and are smooth as butter. Post a pic of what you are talking about.

[jbsoonerfan]

Tighten it up and it won't do that.  

[bulldog1935]

5 hours ago, JimB77 said:

I recently purchased a Shimano NASCI Spinning Reel 3000HGFB with a handle that pivots on a hinge.  Visualize the shaft coming out of the reel and then a 90 degree bend having at its end the rotating handle which you grip.  Imagine that the 90 degree bend from the shaft is hinged so the handle can flop back and forth.  What is the reason for this hinge?

I don't care for the feel and am wondering about the purpose for this feature. Am I missing something? What is the advantage? Is there a way to replace it with a normal handle? Thank you.

Instead of screwing directly into the main gear, the old style folding handle uses a keyed shaft that goes through the main gear to the handle nut on the other side.  

Shimano used a square shaft with 3.5 mm threads on the handle nut.  

Daiwa uses a hex shaft with 3 mm threads on the handle nut.  

Unfortunately, they don't make these cool upgrade parts for Shimano, but these IOS hex shaft adapters work with Daiwa and Tica, allowing you to replace folding handles with fixed Daiwa handles.  

 

[MN Fisher]

1 minute ago, bulldog1935 said:

Instead of screwing directly into the main gear, the old style uses a keyed shaft that goes through the main gear to the handle nut on the other side.  

Shimano used a square shaft with 3.5 mm threads on the handle nut.  

Daiwa uses a hex shaft with 3 mm threads on the handle nut.  

 

 

So Type 2 in my explanation above.

 

I think I prefer the shallow cap that my Mitchells have over that big-honking thing sticking out the other side.

[bulldog1935]

offshore topwater plug

 

UL jig hook (+stinger)

 

Circle hook on my surf reel

 

You can also pin the line for a complicated rig in the o-rings and take the hook back to your line guide frame.  

 

hard to see, but there's a rigged wakebait on the left

and the line will never be twisted on the rod or braided in the rod guides, not even in the dark

[JustJames]

@bulldog1935i like it might get some myself. A couple friends installed those and like them a lot. It is easier to hook crappie jig in place a lot better than rod’s hook keeper or in my case Fuji hook keeper. Our group use a lot of JDM rods which doesn’t come with hook keeper at all. 

[bulldog1935]

@Bass_Fishing_Socal

The one that's on the black Tica above (and on the big Tica below) is just about my favorite "reel stand" hook-keeper, and has a stainless hook keeper that won't take abrasion.  

Here's the Daiwa/Shimano common from a US vendor (they still source from Japan and takes a few weeks, but a good buy.    

 

(the Dress Origin reel stands for Daiwa hex shaft, 3 mm stud, you can only source in Japan; also note Ver3 is offshore size Daiwa)

 

[Deleted account]

On 4/14/2021 at 9:33 PM, bulldog1935 said:

offshore topwater plug

 

UL jig hook (+stinger)

 

Circle hook on my surf reel

 

You can also pin the line for a complicated rig in the o-rings and take the hook back to your line guide frame.  

 

hard to see, but there's a rigged wakebait on the left

and the line will never be twisted on the rod or braided in the rod guides, not even in the dark

I am torn between trying to become your best fishing buddy, and contacting your loved ones for an intervention...   

[bulldog1935]

@BassWhole! An e-friend whom I've never met, but we go Way back on venerable glass fly rods and vintage reels - after I posted a "pimped" Tica on FFR, Paul sent me 5 new Ticas with a blank check to customize his - I shot a lot of photos to communicate with him, and my choices critiqued and approved by his daughter's artsy eye.  

While I've always done some of this, a 20-yr hobby business repairing antique reels and speculating in antique tackle bought me a lot of toys - 2020 needed stay home hobbies, and courier from Japan was the only functioning shipping, so some of my tendencies fleshed out a bit.  

Even before then, my close friend Lou, who both fishes and cycles with me regularly (most every salt trip) had me order him a compliment of the Tsubaki hook keepers for all his Shimano's - that's the style keeper in the first 3 photos of the post you quoted.  

I've been shopping in Japan a long time - back when you had to use a broker, both because of language barrier and Japan banking restrictions.  Masamichi at noppin.com has ordered me a bench-made fly reel, a rolled-from-scratch inshore S-glass fly rod, delivered my first Japanese XUL Rockfish rods more than a dozen years ago, and more recently brokered these trick add-on hook keepers for Livre reel stands that only come from Squid Mania.  

[garroyo130]

1 hour ago, bulldog1935 said:

 

 

 

Not gonna lie ... I like this big ugly thing sticking out the side of the reel. Do they make these for threaded handles vs hex shaft?

[J Francho]

I don't know of too many reels that don't have a folding handle anymore.  The manual included should have instructions for properly setting up your reel.  Failing that, any tackle stores can help you out if your still having problems.

[bulldog1935]

sorry there, bro @garroyo130

The best one made for hex-shaft is the Dress Origin, also sold by Hedgehog.  

Hedgehog makes their house brand.  

There are also cost-effective hex-shaft choices from Gomexus and China.  

This one from China has both the 3-mm thread for Daiwa and the 3.5 mm thread for old Shimano.   

 

Hedgehog has this page that explains the different types.  

 

It probably shows that I can't imagine a spinning reel without one of these for a hook keeper.  

[MAN]

Man I really like those Bulldog!!! ...thanks for sharing.  I will need to do a full dive into them to see which ones will fit my spinning reels.  

[J Francho]

I missed the boat somewhere here.  How does the aftermarket stand fix the issue the OP is experiencing?

[garroyo130]

I thought it was deemed a non issue about 10 posts ago. Its that way by design.

[J Francho]

By whom? The OP hasn't posted an update. I hope he figured it out. 

[bulldog1935]

It's been described enough different ways and even diagrammed.  

Then other discussions took over, kind of norm for the forum.  

 

any list of threads diverted by Mr. Francho would be grossly abridged.  

[JimB77]

Son of a gun!  I tightened the knob on the other side of the reel and the handle pulled in tight and no longer flops back-and-forth.  Why does something so simple cause me such difficulty?  Very frustrating.  Thank you very much to everyone who responded to my question and offered such excellent instruction and suggestions.

[GetFishorDieTryin]

On 4/14/2021 at 5:47 PM, MN Fisher said:

Sounds like the handle isn't fully seated. All my spinning reels have the hinge when the handle is partially unscrewed - it's to make the reel more compact for storage...you can also unscrew the handle and remove it to swap sides.

 

Two ways to seat the handle

1: The handle actually unscrews from the body - hold the section with the bail and turn the handle...if it doesn't move closer or further from the body, you got type 2 - otherwise turn it until it snugs up.

2: Opposite side of the handle on the body, there's a cover that has a thumbscrew. Turn that the proper direction and the handle should snug up. Note that this type is a bit more delicate than Type 1 - so don't try to tighten down hard.

Nasci uses a hex pin

[MAN]

4 hours ago, J Francho said:

I missed the boat somewhere here.  How does the aftermarket stand fix the issue the OP is experiencing?

Don't ding me again bro...I was just goin with the flow of the thread  

[Guitarfish]

Trippin'