Baitcaster that minimizes backlashing?

[Ben77]

Looking for a baitcaster that casts far and that has exceptional breaking. I was looking at the curado dc and tatula elite. Which one's do you guys prefer? I'm pretty new to baitcasting and I backlash often but I have gotten better so I would love to minimize some of that thanks!

[ATA]

Curado DC definitely 

[jimmyjoe]

   The best way to master a baitcasting reel is by using your thumb. It's difficult, especially starting out. You'll be frustrated, because you want the learning process to proceed faster than what it seems to be going.

   Relax. Give it awhile. The potential control from using your thumb is much, much greater than the potential offered by braking mechanisms.

   However .... if that's the route you want to go, get the one you want, and use it to take care of the problems as you see fit. Just be careful not to use it as a permanent crutch.

 

    And BTW ...... have fun and catch fish!  ??                     jj

 

p.s. - If I were forced to choose, I'd agree with @ATA  

[garroyo130]

10 minutes ago, jimmyjoe said:

   The best way to master a baitcasting reel is by using your thumb. It's difficult, especially starting out. You'll be frustrated, because you want the learning process to proceed faster than what it seems to be going.

   Relax. Give it awhile. The potential control from using your thumb is much, much greater than the potential offered by braking mechanisms.

   However .... if that's the route you want to go, get the one you want, and use it to take care of the problems as you see fit. Just be careful not to use it as a permanent crutch.

 

    And BTW ...... have fun and catch fish!  ??                     jj

 

^ the fish are always going to be 5-10 feet further than you can cast anyway

[Shimano_1]

I've used basically every form of braking out there with the exception of the DC shimano reels. I love my shimanos but as a reel that's just strictly easy to use and manage nothing compares to the sv daiwa reels in my opinion.  Set the spool tension to very little or no side to side play and turn the dial to 10 and ur golden with most anything. 

[Darth-Baiter]

I still occasionally will flub my cast with a DC reel.

[MN Fisher]

21 minutes ago, jimmyjoe said:

  The best way to master a baitcasting reel is by using your thumb. It's difficult, especially starting out. You'll be frustrated, because you want the learning process to proceed faster than what it seems to be going.

   Relax. Give it awhile. The potential control from using your thumb is much, much greater than the potential offered by braking mechanisms.

A couple of my reels are considered 'mid to low end' - Pflueger President and President XT. Getting the thumb trained is most of the battle and now I rarely have a backlash, and the ones that do happen I can fix within a couple minutes. Even the highest end reels will backlash if proper attention is lacking.

 

Practice-practice-practice.

[new2BC4bass]

You can find a used T3 1016 or MX in good to great used condition for a lot less than either of those reels.  The Magforce 3D braking system is fantastic.  The only problem is you may not learn to use your thumb.  I've got an older Excense DC.  This is another reel that is almost impossible to backlash.

 

 No idea about the Curado DC.  I've read varying reports about it.   The Elite is reported to not only be excellent for distance, but able to handle fairly light lures as well.  But I'm betting you need some thumb control with this reel.

[zeth]

THUMB THUMB THUMB. Now watch a YouTube video on how to adjust your reel. Then over adjust so that you can not backlash as you learn and get better start backing off on the dials. You will backlash.  Everyone does. It's rare that I have a day where I don't have at least a minor backlash or two or more. I've been throwing baitcasters for like 25 years and let me tell you i used to burn up a lot of line when i first started. Reels used to be not so friendly.  Nowadays any decent reel will have enough adjustment that you can control the line.  Keep in mind that you need to adjust the settings throughout the day.  It's not a set once and done deal. Wind, lure weight, size etc all make a difference and one second you could be fine with minimal settings and the next you need to adjust because it gets windy for a few minutes etc. 

A DC or Tatula SVTW will not keep you from backlashing. 

[txchaser]

48 minutes ago, new2BC4bass said:

The Elite is reported to not only be excellent for distance, but able to handle fairly light lures as well.  But I'm betting you need some thumb control with this reel.

I have them both. For a first time reel the SV TW wins out over the elite. It is really forgiving. I can put it on 16 or so and hand it to someone who's never thrown a baitcaster. Smooth side arm and you really won't need to do much other than thumb it when it hits the water. 

 

No one talks about this much, but if you can, don't start with an XF tip. Or even a fast tip. The Daiwa regular, which seems like a mod fast, is a lot more forgiving. Specific brand doesn't matter, but I noticed a huge difference in bad/failed casts with a friend when I handed them a stiffish crankbait rod instead of the usual fast tip. Perhaps someone can chime in on a rod with a mod-fast, or a least something with a softer tip. 

 

[jimmyjoe]

   I've been thinking about what you said, and maybe you're asking for something different that what I had supposed.

   Maybe.

   Watch this video from 0:40. Maybe that's what you're asking about.

 

 

  

[dodgeguy]

IMHO the best brakes ever are Lews 27 point externally adjustable centrifugal brakes.. Almost impossible to backlash. I set mine really loose but if you set them like most videos say to you won't backlash.

[Wildbillb]

Upsize in your line.  Run 15 pound test mono.  Something that won't break the bank.  The larger line will be easier to pick out the backlash.   Throw a topwater so you don't have to worry about getting snagged while picking out a backlash.  

 

Practice practice practice 

[FishTank]

11 hours ago, Ben77 said:

Looking for a baitcaster that casts far and that has exceptional breaking. I was looking at the curado dc and tatula elite. Which one's do you guys prefer? I'm pretty new to baitcasting and I backlash often but I have gotten better so I would love to minimize some of that thanks!

 

The DC is a great reel but I tend to use it for those instances when a backlash is more likely to happen.  

 

What reel are you currently struggling with?  

 

If you are new to baitcasters, I like the Shimano SLX.  It won't break the bank, it's easy to use and set up, and it's a reel that can hold its own against some of the more expensive reels on the market.  

 

Also, some things to keep in mind...... don't worry about casting distance until you get use to using a baitcaster, the rod and lure choice influence how a backlash can occur,  and even the best fisherman still backlash from time to time.  The idea is to learn to use your thumb to minimize it. 

[bulldog1935]

Smooth acceleration - remember that all jerk in your cast is only backlash.  

 

I'll put in a vote for Lew's SP, even with tiny (PE#1) braid - the rig below is for 1/8 oz.  But it's also not for inexperience.  

Going to big diameter line is the easy answer, but it also costs distance, and may not work at all with lighter lures.  I would stick with 12-lb fluorocarbon, and did, until I couldn't remember a backlash.  

 

 

Here's Lew's very lightweight centrifugal brake.  

 

 

something else - you left out what you're trying to cast - casting heavy wind-slippery lures is much easier than light, wind-resistant lures.  

 

There are 3 types of backlash, and 4 types of brakes.  

• The first is spool start-up overshoot.  Centrifugal brakes deal with this the best.  
• The second is wind backlash, which occurs in the middle of your cast as your lure is approaching its highest vertical point, and gravity is slowing it - mag brakes work best here - the same for wind and light lures.  
• The last backlash is over-run after your lure hits the water - thumbs take care of this.  
• The fourth brake type is spool tension, which is a constant load on the spool.  While spool tension can brake all 3 types of backlash, it costs the most cast distance.  

DC brakes are basically a chip-controlled spool tension brake, modulating the spool tension throughout the cast.  I've never fished one, but some have reported on the forum, they cost a bit of distance compared to centrifugal brakes and mag brakes.  

Without DC, you'll likely use a combination of spool tension and your added adjustable brake (centriugal or mag).  

 

[onenutinthewater]

Daiwa HRF PE

 

I have both tat sv's, the elite and and a ct . By far the best casting and zero back lash on any cast is the HRF PE. My favorite steelhead reel for tossing 2/5 oz spoons.

[garroyo130]

Isn't that something you can do on any quality reel??

 

turn the brakes up real high = no backlash

[Jig Man]

43 minutes ago, garroyo130 said:

Isn't that something you can do on any quality reel??

 

turn the brakes up real high = no backlash

Pretty much but you may be able to throw it farther than you can cast it.

15 hours ago, Ben77 said:

Looking for a baitcaster that casts far and that has exceptional breaking. I was looking at the curado dc and tatula elite. Which one's do you guys prefer? I'm pretty new to baitcasting and I backlash often but I have gotten better so I would love to minimize some of that thanks!

If it is within your means, buy the Curado DC.  I have several sizes of Curados and the 150 DCs are my favorites.  

[Dash Riprock]

I don't consider myself proficient in baitcasters by any means and I'm having really good luck with a Tatula SV TW103. I assume it's got a very similar, if not the same, braking system as the Tatula Elite. Sometimes when I know I've hit the sweet spot of a cast I just sit back and smile as I watch the reel regulate itself. It's really amazing. 

 

Can't speak to the Shimano DC systems as I've never used one but from what I've read they seem pretty slick also. 

[CrankFate]

I would say if you’re learning, a reel without magnetic brakes is better. Especially if you don’t have several different rods to try it on to see which it works best with. I know a lot of people swear by magnetic brakes. I don’t. The only reel I’d say has a good magnetic brake is the Mgxtreme2. But I use it to throw 3 ounces, when people claim it’s supposed to be a finesse type reel......

[Boomstick]

Some people will say get a Daiwa reel with the SV spool like the Tatula SV, and others will say a Shimano DC such as the Curado DC. I have no experience with a Shimano DC reel, but the Tatula SV works pretty darn well, I mean if you turn the brake up to 12 and I'm casting the proper weight for the rod and the wind isn't too extreme I don't even need to thumb the spool.

[928JLH]

Zillion SV. Probably one of my favorite reels for windy days, light lures and tournaments. Recently sold my Tatula SV to the company mechanic. He's only tried a bait caster twice before the Tatula and threw it in a Lake. He loves the Tatula SV and it doesn't backlash on him. He's getting better now and backing the brakes off.

[Darth-Baiter]

I’m asking for a Zillion SV for my birthday.  Fingers crossed. 

[jtharris3]

I can’t comment on the Curado but, I do own 2 of the SLX DCs and really like them! I’m sold on the DC technology.

[new2BC4bass]

On 4/4/2021 at 10:42 PM, zeth said:

THUMB THUMB THUMB. Now watch a YouTube video on how to adjust your reel. Then over adjust so that you can not backlash as you learn and get better start backing off on the dials. You will backlash.  Everyone does. It's rare that I have a day where I don't have at least a minor backlash or two or more. I've been throwing baitcasters for like 25 years and let me tell you i used to burn up a lot of line when i first started. Reels used to be not so friendly.  Nowadays any decent reel will have enough adjustment that you can control the line.  Keep in mind that you need to adjust the settings throughout the day.  It's not a set once and done deal. Wind, lure weight, size etc all make a difference and one second you could be fine with minimal settings and the next you need to adjust because it gets windy for a few minutes etc. 

A DC or Tatula SVTW will not keep you from backlashing. 

I'm so good with a baitcast reel that I can backlash any of them. 

 

Was out at the Lake Nockamixon fishing pier Sunday.  First time out this year.  Bank behind me higher than my head, so overhead casts only as I was sitting on a rock.  I managed to jerk the rod pretty bad a couple times.  The Exsence DC did get some loose line but no backlash.  Pretty sure I'd had a major backlash with many of my other reels.