Size vs numbers

[OCdockskipper]

15 hours ago, CrankFate said:

...In the lake I have in my avatar, you’ll only see males around 7lbs guarding fry...

 

...Natural selection dictates that the female will pick the best male to protect the fry...

 

I believe either that lake is in your imagination or you are over-estimating the size of the fish in the water .

 

I would suggest you are attributing characteristics to natural selection that don't exist.  Largemouth bass have survived for eons not because the females select specific males to spawn with, but because the females select multiple males to spawn with.  The females don't have time to interview each male as to his protection ability, instead they just act like the fun girl in high school and give each one a turn.

 

And why do you believe a larger bass would protect fry better than a smaller bass?  Smaller bass are more nimble & quicker, able to easily chase off sunfish better than a lumbering lunker.  A large bass requires more nourishment than a smaller bass, so a large bass is more likely to be a deadbeat dad earlier than a smaller bass or, horror of horrors, decide to gulp down a few of his offspring to hold him over.

 

If @PaulRoberts tells me that he has seen evidence of what you claim, then I'll give your opinion more credibility.

 

 

[Hammer 4]

24 minutes ago, OCdockskipper said:

 

I believe either that lake is in your imagination or you are over-estimating the size of the fish in the water .

 

I would suggest you are attributing characteristics to natural selection that don't exist.  Largemouth bass have survived for eons not because the females select specific males to spawn with, but because the females select multiple males to spawn with.  The females don't have time to interview each male as to his protection ability, instead they just act like the fun girl in high school and give each one a turn.

 

And why do you believe a larger bass would protect fry better than a smaller bass?  Smaller bass are more nimble & quicker, able to easily chase off sunfish better than a lumbering lunker.  A large bass requires more nourishment than a smaller bass, so a large bass is more likely to be a deadbeat dad earlier than a smaller bass or, horror of horrors, decide to gulp down a few of his offspring to hold him over.

 

If @PaulRoberts tells me that he has seen evidence of what you claim, then I'll give your opinion more credibility.

 

 

Well said. And I will agree.

[Catt]

19 hours ago, CrankFate said:

In the lake I have in my avatar, you’ll only see males around 7lbs guarding fry. Because the females aren’t going to spawn with dinks. If you find a lake with 7lb males you will find the big females. I have not heard one scientific report anywhere that even mentions size selection for bass spawning. So I can say anything is nonsense. Natural selection dictates that the female will pick the best male to protect the fry. An athletic 7 pound male is their best bet. Also, you can watch any and every program on TV and the Internet about fish. You will never see videos of mismatched fish spawns, except in rare cases like the deep ocean angler fish and when the little dink sneaks into a shell bed. Find the big males, that’s where you’ll find the trophies. Because the females pick who they spawn with. I know it’s not a popular belief, but a lunker female surrounded by dinks isn’t making many babies.

 

Texas Sharelunker program was started in 1986, in their 35 years of research they have recorded 1 male over 7 lbs. That male was used in spawning 13#+ females in captivity. 

 

The average male bass is 3-5 lbs 

[CrankFate]

21 hours ago, Hammer 4 said:

Well said. And I will agree.

No, it’s real. Rare and extreme. Most people who try their luck there never hook a fish. After years of trying. But they’ll tell you the size of some of the fish there defies all logic.

17 hours ago, Catt said:

 

Texas Sharelunker program was started in 1986, in their 35 years of research they have recorded 1 male over 7 lbs. That male was used in spawning 13#+ females in captivity. 

 

The average male bass is 3-5 lbs 

l’ve caught those big males. 6-7lbs. And to make matters worse, they are Northern strain bass! The females that are bigger are a whole nuther game. Almost uncatchable. But that particular place has a lot of folklore to it, people who mention it by name online don’t even bother fishing there. After years of never catching a fish, when they can see them, most give up.

How big did the offspring get?

[Catt]

7 hours ago, CrankFate said:

How big did the offspring get?

 

13#+ ?

[OCdockskipper]

12 hours ago, CrankFate said:

...l’ve caught those big males. 6-7lbs. And to make matters worse, they are Northern strain bass! The females that are bigger are a whole nuther game. Almost uncatchable. But that particular place has a lot of folklore to it, people who mention it by name online don’t even bother fishing there. After years of never catching a fish, when they can see them, most give up...

 

Don't take this as an insult, but I am extremely skeptical of that claim.  Especially when your bio says your PB is 14-15 lbs, yet your avatar photo is of a 2lb keeper.

 

You do know that lbs. stands for pounds, not inches, right?

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1 hour ago, OCdockskipper said:

You do know that lbs. stands for pounds, not inches, right?

£ies!

[CrankFate]

2 hours ago, OCdockskipper said:

 

Don't take this as an insult, but I am extremely skeptical of that claim.  Especially when your bio says your PB is 14-15 lbs, yet your avatar photo is of a 2lb keeper.

 

You do know that lbs. stands for pounds, not inches, right?

I’m going to just LoL over that. Just look how small my finger is in that pic. Compare that to all other bass pictures on this site and you will be able to tell that the fish is between 7 and 8 pounds if it is an ounce by looking at the size of my index finger. I did catch a 14 pound 2 or 3 ounce fish (it was weighed more than once) on a charter in Walt Disney World when I was there from the 2nd to the 9th of September of 2001. That size is independently documented around the Internet. No other person on this planet, except me, has ever claimed to have caught that fish. I am not a small guy. I was about 230 at the time I caught my avatar fish. Head to tail was from my hip to my knee. I am 5’ 11” tall. I am holding that fish close to my body. And it is a male fish. An experienced fisherman should be able to see that. I can also tell you that my wife was in charge of the cameras when I caught that 14lber on vacation in Disney world. When I looked at the camera as we pulled into the dock, I realized there was no film in it. After that, Walt Disney World added an extra benefit to their charter customers—-the boats were all equipped with working digital cameras. That was why. The charter guide was not exactly happy, because that was one of my, what I call “amateur hour” days. Even though I have come close to quite a few world and state records with other species of fish. I was far from home and not using my normal gear. That day I brought super light JDM finesse gear that someone gave me right before that trip. The reels had backwards handles and maybe 4lb test line. The guide was ticked when the first few bites I got broke my line as the fish inhaled the bait. I insisted there’s no way that these could be bass bites. “No bass could be this big.” He insisted that I use his heavier rod so I didn’t just waste my money on this trip. So I did, practically to prove him wrong. Long story short, 14lb bass on my lap 5 minutes later. He was even more ticked, then. Yes, I am very hard headed. And so was he. Fishermen. It wasn’t until he saw how well I took it after finding out there was no film in the camera that he might’ve started hating me a little less. He was a real fishing guide from the area and he was like, for the price they are charging people for this, the least they could do is make sure theres a camera on the boat. You can’t make this stuff up.

 

It’s a small world....c’mon....you know the person who caught that fish would, at least, sometimes visit this site.

 

One more thing—I should add that it was caught the absolutely worst way possible—while trolling with a live shiner.

[OCdockskipper]

34 minutes ago, CrankFate said:

...Just look how small my finger is in that pic. Compare that to all other bass pictures on this site and you will be able to tell that the fish is between 7 and 8 pounds if it is an ounce by looking at the size of my index finger...

 

I too am 5'11" and my index finger from tip to 2nd joint is 2" long.  That bass in that photo is 8 times longer than your index finger to 2nd joint, meaning it is a 16" bass that weighs about 2 lbs.

 

Below is a picture of an actual 8lb bass that measured just over 23".  If you believe the fish in your picture is the same size, I'll get you the phone number for Lenscrafters.

[CrankFate]

4 minutes ago, OCdockskipper said:

 

I too am 5'11" and my index finger from tip to 2nd joint is 2" long.  That bass in that photo is 8 times longer than your index finger to 2nd joint, meaning it is a 16" bass that weighs about 2 lbs.

 

Below is a picture of an actual 8lb bass that measured just over 23".  If you believe the fish in your picture is the same size, I'll get you the phone number for Lenscrafters.

 

Your fingers in the pic above are gigantic by comparison. Because that is trick photography. Your fish’s belly is only the size of your two middle fingers and the tail is extremely small. That tail is only 3 or 4 fingers wide. Also, look at the way my fist is dwarfed by the fish in my pic. 

[RDB]

1 minute ago, OCdockskipper said:

 

I too am 5'11" and my index finger from tip to 2nd joint is 2" long.  That bass in that photo is 8 times longer than your index finger to 2nd joint, meaning it is a 16" bass that weighs about 2 lbs.

 

Below is a picture of an actual 8lb bass that measured just over 23".  If you believe the fish in your picture is the same size, I'll get you the phone number for Lenscrafters.

This guy is obviously trolling.  Some of these claims are straight nutty.

[OCdockskipper]

15 minutes ago, CrankFate said:

...Because that is trick photography...

 

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