Snelling a T-Rig worm

[papajoe222]

I've been tying a snell knot for my punch rigs for a while. I got to thinking (I know.....Dangerous), You get the same cam action on a worm hook. Why not snell them, too?  Anyone do, or try this for their T-Rigs?

[RDB]

When you say worm hook, do you mean an offset (z-bend below the eye) worm hook?  If yes, I don’t know that you would get the same efficiency.  When you think about a straight shank flippin’ type hook, the point goes into the bait at a 45 degree angle while an offset hook sits parallel (on top of) the bait.  When the hook kicks up on the set, the point would not be in an optimal position.  At least that’s my theory.

[GetFishorDieTryin]

3 hours ago, papajoe222 said:

I've been tying a snell knot for my punch rigs for a while. I got to thinking (I know.....Dangerous), You get the same cam action on a worm hook. Why not snell them, too?  Anyone do, or try this for their T-Rigs?

I snell my straight shanks on my mojo and T rigs.  I think having the tag parallel to the hook shank crates a smaller cavity when the bait is knocked up the line compared to a knot with a perpendicular tag.  I'm not certain if it make baits last longer but if I think it helps ill do it.   

[ATA]

I do snell always, I can say since first I use snell knot and also I am using straight shank always.

[Catt]

I've asked that same question along with why the straight shank for punching but not a plain ol t-rig.

 

Was met with indignation ?

[CountryboyinDC]

I snell straight shank hooks for pitching (I can't remember the last time I flip cast).  It looks neater than a Palomer knot with 65 lb braid.  Can't say it helps with my hook up ratio - I still miss plenty.  As several have mentioned, I don't know that you'd have a positive outcome on an offset hook.

[00bullitt]

I use straight shank hooks for most everything except Flukes. If its a straight shank hook....it gets snelled.

I use the Aaron Martens G Finesse Heavy Cover from #1's up to 5/0.

#1's work great for finesse stuff and I throw 2/0's for most of my stuff.

Love that hook and my hook up ratio improved noticeably across all plastic baits.

 

[MGF]

I don't think it ever hurts to use a snell knot. It might be needed more in the case of a large pegged weight. There's a lot out there concerning when to use straight vs offset round vs ewg. 

[Mike L]

The best way I can explain it is When tying a knot through the eye and pitching though heavy matted vegetation, the hook point can and most times will rotate in the fishes mouth because of accumulated vegetation around the eye which will cause a missed set. 
(Ever catch a fish with the hooks point barely hooked in the side of the softer membrane of her mouth?)

Thats why. 
 

A Snelled hook, because it is wrapped around the shank, prevents the balling up of grass on the hook eye which allows it to control the direction of the set which is straight up to penetrate into the top of the mouth where you want it. 
The “kicking” up of the hook is only achieved when a weight is pegged. 

Why?
Because since the knot is on the shank it gets pulled up straight to the underside of weight and takes the path of least resistance which is out to the side significantly increasing a solid set. 
 

 

 

 

 

Mike

[fishwizzard]

I snell straight shank hooks most of the time but always on hooks w/o a keeper, the knot itself seems to help hold the worm in place. 

[RDB]

The cam action of a snell comes from resistance placed on the hook eye.  Because you go down through the eye (hook point up) and tie the knot to the shank, resistance on the eye causes the hook to cam in the same direction as the line goes over the top of the eye.  If you look at a snell knot, there is a slight S shape from the line going down through the eye to the knot on the shank.  When you have resistance to the eye, the tightened line straightens the S shape by kicking the hook up.  If you went up through the eye in the other direction, the cam action would be down.  Yes the weight can and most often does create that resistance but any resistance can cause the cam action.  Put a line between two fingers and pull up and you will get the same cam action.

 

As far as vegetation, I’m not sure I understand the point.  First off, a palomar knot is not going to create a lot of bulk to catch weeds.  Secondly, I bury my eye in the bait so my eye is not exposed anyway.  I use a straight shank snelled the vast majority of the time but it is because of the cam action and the fact that you have the maximum amount of point exposure with a straight shank v. an offset.

[MGF]

The cam action comes from the knot pulling on the shank as the the hook eye is jammed into the pegged weight. This all assumed that the fish has hold of the pegged weight.

 

Without the peg and maybe in a more horizontal presentation (casting as apposed to flipping or punching) and there's a better chance that the bait and weight get separated and the "cam" thing becomes moot. 

[Catt]

Sure glad I don't snell hooks that way I don't have to write 10 paragraphs explaining why!

 

I use a Palomar knot on everything & never had an issue.

 

Hardly ever peg my weights & can't remember ever getting hung  up because the weight was on one side of a limb & my lure on the other side.

 

Well unless the limb was above the water!

[RDB]

3 hours ago, MGF said:

The cam action comes from the knot pulling on the shank as the the hook eye is jammed into the pegged weight. This all assumed that the fish has hold of the pegged weight.

 

Without the peg and maybe in a more horizontal presentation (casting as apposed to flipping or punching) and there's a better chance that the bait and weight get separated and the "cam" thing becomes moot. 

The knot is fixed.  The cam comes from the line that goes over the hook eye which is not fixed.  The direction the line goes through the eye determines the direction of the cam.  If you tied a knot without going through the eye, you would get no cam.

3 hours ago, Catt said:

Sure glad I don't snell hooks that way I don't have to write 10 paragraphs explaining why!

 

I use a Palomar knot on everything & never had an issue.

 

Hardly ever peg my weights & can't remember ever getting hung  up because the weight was on one side of a limb & my lure on the other side.

 

Well unless the limb was above the water!

That’s awesome...I use Palomar knots too.  And this is a thread about snell knots.  I think there may be another thread about Palomar knots and not pegging weights.

[WRB]

Bait holder books with bent up eye is made for snell knots.

What you think the line going a hook eye ends up outside the end of the hook eye cutting the line.

Palomar or SD Jam knot for monofilament type lines and the braid knot for braid. No snell knot me.

Tom

[RDB]

9 minutes ago, WRB said:

Bait holder books with bent up eye is made for snell knots.

What you think the line going a hook eye ends up outside the end of the hook eye cutting the line.

Palomar or SD Jam knot for monofilament type lines and the braid knot for braid. No snell knot me.

Tom

Not sure I follow.  You would use a snell knot on these.

[Catt]

22 minutes ago, RDB said:

That’s awesome...I use Palomar knots too.  And this is a thread about snell knots.  I think there may be another thread about Palomar knots and not pegging weights.

 

Sorry didn't know we have thread police!

[WRB]

9 minutes ago, RDB said:

Not sure I follow.  You would use a snell knot on these.

If the hook has a closed end weld hook eye the snell knot can work, but not for me. When you snell tie the line it goes through the hook at the base of the hook eye where the wire end against the hook shaft. The wire end is sharp and has a small gap to cut the line. 

Tom 

[RDB]

31 minutes ago, Catt said:

 

Sorry didn't know we have thread police!

Wasn’t trying to be the thread police.  I was referencing you not using snells yet having to read 10 paragraphs.  It was meant to be tongue in cheek but I obviously missed the mark.

41 minutes ago, WRB said:

If the hook has a closed end weld hook eye the snell knot can work, but not for me. When you snell tie the line it goes through the hook at the base of the hook eye where the wire end against the hook shaft. The wire end is sharp and has a small gap to cut the line. 

Tom 

Got ya...I agree.

[00bullitt]

1 hour ago, WRB said:

If the hook has a closed end weld hook eye the snell knot can work, but not for me. When you snell tie the line it goes through the hook at the base of the hook eye where the wire end against the hook shaft. The wire end is sharp and has a small gap to cut the line. 

Tom 

 

Very important point! Most EWG and Round Bend hooks don't have a welded eye and the snell will not work as that small gap will destroy the knot under tension. Every straight shank style flipping hook that I have seen has the welded/closed eye.

[Catt]

2 hours ago, RDB said:

 I was referencing you not using snells yet having to read 10 paragraphs.

 

Read my post kinda fast huh?

 

6 hours ago, Catt said:

I don't have to write 10 paragraphs explaining why!

 

[RDB]

1 hour ago, Catt said:

 

Read my post kinda fast huh?

 

 

Lol...I didn’t even catch it the second time.  I had to go back after this last post to realize you said write and not read.  Gotta stop sniffin’ glue.