Why is braid not sensitive on slack line?

[johnsmith]

Can anyone explain why braid isn't sensitive on slack line when it has no stretch at all? 

[huZZah]

Cause it’s made of nylon. Nylon doesn’t transmit vibration unless pulled tight. Mono is plastic and it doesn’t do it well but plastic still transmits better than “cloth” with less tension. 
 

Did you ever make a phone with cans and a string?  Certain strings work better and they all carry better pulled tight. 

[OkobojiEagle]

3 minutes ago, huZZah said:

Cause it’s made of nylon. Nylon doesn’t transmit vibration unless pulled tight. Mono is plastic and it doesn’t do it well but plastic still transmits better than “cloth” with less tension. 

Huh?... Try again...

[jimmyjoe]

21 minutes ago, OkobojiEagle said:

Huh?... Try again...

 

   That's what I said.          jj               

[bulldog1935]

The answer is because braid is so limp - it just doesn't have any stiffness.  

If you hold a length of mono/fluoro up, it points up by itself - braid won't do that.  

 

I know everybody loves Tatsu fluorocarbon, which is low memory (it doesn't coil badly), but it's not limp.  I did the test holding up a piece of Tatsu and a piece of Blue Label leader of the same diameter - the Tatsu was stiffer, and the Blue Label was limper.  

Same 10" floppy ends, all were rubbed so they laid straight and parallel on the paper before I taped them.  The curves you see now are from gravity with the paper taped on the end.  

Tatsu, Blue Label, Sufix 832, all the same diameter.  

[huZZah]

Lol sorry, cause it’s NOT nylon. Is more cloth. Now it’s like chemical spectra and Dacron and stuff. 
 

Point is when it’s limp it doesn’t carry vibration. Like a trampoline if you don’t have it stretched. 
 

Mono is commonly nylon and the nylon transmits more from a looser state. 

To take it further, the braid absorbs more energy when it is limp. Absorbing more if the vibration.  When it’s pulled tight, less of the vibration is absorbed. Polymers in mono do not absorb it well even when left limp. 

[jimmyjoe]

1 hour ago, huZZah said:

Lol sorry, cause it’s NOT nylon. Is more cloth. Now it’s like chemical spectra and Dacron and stuff. 
 

Point is when it’s limp it doesn’t carry vibration. Like a trampoline if you don’t have it stretched. 
 

Mono is commonly nylon and the nylon transmits more from a looser state. 

To take it further, the braid absorbs more energy when it is limp. Absorbing more if the vibration.  When it’s pulled tight, less of the vibration is absorbed. Polymers in mono do not absorb it well even when left limp. 

 

   Attaboy!   ?     

 

   There was braided line that was made out of nylon, long ago. I used it, up until the turn of the century. All of it that I saw was dyed black, I suppose to deal with UV degradation. It was like PE braid, but softer. I always liked it, but many other fishermen didn't share my enthusiasm for it. ?          jj

[evo2s197]

1 hour ago, huZZah said:

Lol sorry, cause it’s NOT nylon. Is more cloth. Now it’s like chemical spectra and Dacron and stuff. 
 

Point is when it’s limp it doesn’t carry vibration. Like a trampoline if you don’t have it stretched. 
 

Mono is commonly nylon and the nylon transmits more from a looser state. 

To take it further, the braid absorbs more energy when it is limp. Absorbing more if the vibration.  When it’s pulled tight, less of the vibration is absorbed. Polymers in mono do not absorb it well even when left limp. 

Bingo.

[huZZah]

My brain went limp. (Why you don’t read forums and post when you’re supposed to be working.)

[Boomstick]

So an experiment. Cut off 2 feet of braid and 2 feet of fluorocarbon or even mono, and hold one end in each hand and put each hand a few inches apart. You will see the braid go limp and make a near perfect U shape, where the fluorocarbon will coil a little and won't make a perfect U. That is why

[Kev-mo]

i would disagree and say braid is sensitive on slackline. how else do you account for feeling that tick when getting bit on slackline when working a jerkbait?!

[The Maestro]

I'd say it has to do with the fact that it's a softer material compared to mono and especially FC. A harder line bumping against the tip guide will cause a tiny bit of vibration into the rod that can be felt even on slack line with a very sensitive rod.

[WRB]

You feel line movement. Neither mono/copolymer and FC line stretch under less force then 30% of the line strength...several lbs. 

Slack line isn’t objective it’s subjective. FC is heavier then water with very low coefficient of drag going through water. FC when slightly slack with or little force force being applied sinks creating a sagging belly (downward bow) in the line. Any movement at the lure end pulls the belly slack tighter and you feel it. 

Mono/copolymer line are lighter then water and tend to float or suspend in water, higher coefficient of drag going through water creating a upward bow or arch in the water. Movements at the lure end you feel after the bow is reduced, this feels like the line is stretching.

Braid being very light weight=floats like a cork on top of the water and has higher coefficient of drag do to it’s yarn like construction. Being very small diameter and less surface area  braid moves through water with less fircecapplied by the lure and movement are felt. 

Slack line you can’t feel line movements you can see them.

Tom

[BassNJake]

17 hours ago, johnsmith said:

Can anyone explain why braid isn't sensitive on slack line when it has no stretch at all? 

Cant feel it because it's too limp. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Catt]

[Team9nine]

[Bankc]

Fluoro is denser and a single line.  Braid is less dense, less rigid, and well, braided.  So the vibrations that travel through a braided line will travel on 4 or 8 or however many strands.  And those vibrating strands will interfere with each other.  And because it's less dense, the vibration transmissions are more subjected to other vibrations, like from the air and water, so the "signal" isn't as pure.  And since braid is more supple than fluoro, it looses more vibrations to the surrounding media.  Kind of like how sound travels faster underwater and through steel than through air.  

 

Tight line sensitivity is different.  That's why those telephones kids used to make out of two cans and a straight line of kite string need to be kept tight for them to work.  If you replaced the kite string with a heavy gauged metal wire, it would likely work a lot better on a slack line.  

[RichF]

Is any line sensitive on slack? Hmmmmm

[Fishes in trees]

If you're aware of a hit when you're fishing braid on a slack or semi-slack line, does it matter if you felt it or saw it?  No, seriously folks, I've always thought that part of the charm of braid is that when you let the line go slack/semi-slack, was that you saw the strike/ line move much sooner than you felt it through the rod.  Kinda like using a strike indicator when you're trout fishing.

 

I can't count the number of times I've thrown a jerk bait 80 to 100 feet - jerk, jerk, her,  - stop.   At that point the bait is maybe 6 feet closer to you and the line is slack/semi-slack.  But all the braid is underwater, except where it exits the water close to your rod tip.  At that point, you don't wait to feel any bite, you just look at the line and any twitch or anything unnatural - you just tighten up and drive the hooks home.  To me, that's sensitive line because I saw bite indication prior to feeling it.

[Born 2 fish]

8 hours ago, Kev-mo said:

i would disagree and say braid is sensitive on slackline. how else do you account for feeling that tick when getting bit on slackline when working a jerkbait?!

I can feel that and I use mono on my jerkbait reel.