And the beat goes on...

[Team9nine]

Ran across this piece on the Interwebz recently reflecting how the same old theories keep getting perpetuated, even by the best pros in the game, and how the tackle industry markets and capitalizes on it. @Paul Roberts

 

 

 

 

 

[the reel ess]

LOL. Except we don't have red crawfish here. But their lips are still red. I guess they could be raw from munching on brown craws. Either way, red just isn't productive for me.

[Scott F]

You mean like how many pros continue to say the FC lines don’t stretch? 

[Logan S]

Timely topic...Caught this one this weekend and it's entire mouth/throat was red.  42 degree water with decent stain (~1' vis) on a red craw crank .  

I've always assumed the red lips/throats in bass this time of year were irritations from eating crayfish combined with colder water (sort of like how it seems to hurt more when you bust your knuckle in 20 degree weather than it does in warm weather).  When it's this cold, craws are probably tight to hard cover like rocks/wood, so every time a bass eats one it's probably banging into rocks/wood too (more so than when it's warmer and craws are more actively moving around). 

 

I'm a believer in the red craw colors, for no other reason than I've had success on it in the late winter and prespawn seasons.  I personally think a lot of it is a simply a water clarity thing, since I frequently seek out dirty water in those times too and red craw is a good dirty water color...But either way, I'm in the red craw camp usually.

 

At the end of the day though, if it gets beyond my understanding I chalk it up to bass being bass and I try not argue with success that I observe directly .  

[TnRiver46]

I heard wheeler and DC talking about fish spawning on eufala because their eyes were red too haha. 

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1 minute ago, TnRiver46 said:

I heard wheeler and DC talking about fish spawning on eufala because their eyes were red too haha. 

Yeah, I saw that too. I was thinking about renting my house during Potomac river events, but if one of these yokels bathes his dog in my kitchen sink, I'd loose my mind.

[TnRiver46]

5 minutes ago, BassWhole! said:

Yeah, I saw that too. I was thinking about renting my house during Potomac river events, but if one of these yokels bathes his dog in my kitchen sink, I'd loose my mind.

Hahahah!!!!

[ironbjorn]

This isn't always exact, but bass in darker water tend to be darker, and bass in lighter water tend to be lighter. Bass around rocks and sand tend to be lighter, and bass pulled out of thick, heavy vegetation can be almost black. Winter, cold water bass are often almost white. Their colors change based on season and location. But yeah, it's definitely crawfish and isn't related to season (sarcasm). 

[Jigfishn10]

Love it. Up here we dye the craw's shell red like we used to with pistachios. Gives the craw a certain je ne sais quoi a bass just can't stand.

[Paul Roberts]

Yeah, well... whatever. I'm pretty nerded out after my last post on the first-cast superstition . Interesting topic here, not so much the reasons for the red teeth, that's been discussed a bunch and the bottom line is the real work hasn't been done to explain the physiology behind it. I'm more interested lately in how "information" gets believed. Keep going back to a buddy who once said, "A little information can be a dangerous thing." Then there's Occam's Razor (the elegant answer), Cooper's Law ("Don't assume conspiracy for what can be better explained by ignorance", and Carl Sagan's, "Opinion is easy; Knowledge takes work.") At least in fishing, little harm can come beyond an ego bruise. And we all get used to that.

 

[Choporoz]

45 minutes ago, Paul Roberts said:

... I'm more interested lately in how "information" gets believed. Keep going back to a buddy who once said, "A little information can be a dangerous thing." Then there's Occam's Razor (the elegant answer), Cooper's Law ("Don't assume conspiracy for what can be better explained by ignorance", and Carl Sagan's, "Opinion is easy; Knowledge takes work.") At least in fishing, little harm can come beyond an ego bruise. And we all get used to that.

 

Ha!  I, too am amazed at the 'information' spread.  I often recall the line about why lizard lures are good in the spring....because bass get mad at them for raiding the beds.  Some guy thought he was smart and that line spread like wildfire as 'fact' for decades.

[TnRiver46]

1 hour ago, Paul Roberts said:

Yeah, well... whatever. I'm pretty nerded out after my last post on the first-cast superstition . Interesting topic here, not so much the reasons for the red teeth, that's been discussed a bunch and the bottom line is the real work hasn't been done to explain the physiology behind it. I'm more interested lately in how "information" gets believed. Keep going back to a buddy who once said, "A little information can be a dangerous thing." Then there's Occam's Razor (the elegant answer), Cooper's Law ("Don't assume conspiracy for what can be better explained by ignorance", and Carl Sagan's, "Opinion is easy; Knowledge takes work.") At least in fishing, little harm can come beyond an ego bruise. And we all get used to that.

 

People around here believe the information the weather man puts out like its etched in stone day after day after day, no matter how many times it’s completely inaccurate  

[ironbjorn]

3 minutes ago, TnRiver46 said:

People around here believe the information the weather man puts out like its etched in stone day after day after day, no matter how many times it’s completely inaccurate  

Honesty I've found them to be accurate a very vast majority of the time

[MN Fisher]

9 minutes ago, ironbjorn said:

Honesty I've found them to be accurate a very vast majority of the time

Long as you don't look past 36 hours. My dad was a Meteorologist in the Navy - he still keeps up with things, and says they're not much more accurate past that time-span than they were 64 years ago when he finished his time and was discharged.

[Paul Roberts]

Yeah, forecasts are just that, a forecast, a prediction based on a bunch of variables. Either way, they gather up the probabilities, and make an educated guess. Pretty much like we do in fishing. It's a wild a woolly world out there.

[Bird]

Can't say I've had much luck with all red but red flake has produced early. 

[TnRiver46]

45 minutes ago, MN Fisher said:

Long as you don't look past 36 hours. My dad was a Meteorologist in the Navy - he still keeps up with things, and says they're not much more accurate past that time-span than they were 64 years ago when he finished his time and was discharged.

In Knoxville they just call someone in Nashville and ask them what’s happening, then predict that. The X factor is the Cumberland plateau that magically breaks up all the weather that’s headed towards us. So basically they have no idea.

[12poundbass]

1 hour ago, TnRiver46 said:

In Knoxville they just call someone in Nashville and ask them what’s happening, then predict that. The X factor is the Cumberland plateau that magically breaks up all the weather that’s headed towards us. So basically they have no idea.

They blame Lake Michigan here. 

[TnRiver46]

1 minute ago, 12poundbass said:

They blame Lake Michigan here. 

Well then you can subsequently blame Lake Michigan for lack of fishing success 

[Bluebasser86]

Digging up crawfish ? What are they digging them up with?? Bass out there sucking up mouths full of rocks and mud trying to catch craws? Every tried to get craws out of rocks small enough for a bass to move around? It's about impossible as they just move from one hiding spot to the next.

[huZZah]

11 hours ago, TnRiver46 said:

In Knoxville they just call someone in Nashville and ask them what’s happening, then predict that. The X factor is the Cumberland plateau that magically breaks up all the weather that’s headed towards us. So basically they have no idea.

Had it explained to me that the chance of weather is always 50-50. Those percentages are actually the amount of viewing area that could be affected. So a 20% chance of rain means there’s a 50% chance that 20% of the viewing area COULD get rain.  Makes a lot more sense whether true or not. 
Otherwise, I want this job where I can do it completely wrong 50% of the time and still have a job. 

[TnRiver46]

8 minutes ago, huZZah said:

Had it explained to me that the chance of weather is always 50-50. Those percentages are actually the amount of viewing area that could be affected. So a 20% chance of rain means there’s a 50% chance that 20% of the viewing area COULD get rain.  Makes a lot more sense whether true or not. 
Otherwise, I want this job where I can do it completely wrong 50% of the time and still have a job. 

I use the 50/50 method myself. Every day it might rain and might not 

[N Florida Mike]

12 hours ago, TnRiver46 said:

People around here believe the information the weather man puts out like its etched in stone day after day after day, no matter how many times it’s completely inaccurate  

At least weather men are right 50% of the time. (Which is about 50% better than other forms of news)

[Jigfishn10]

44 minutes ago, TnRiver46 said:

I use the 50/50 method myself. Every day it might rain and might not 

I'm pretty much 100%
”Tonight’s forecast? Will be dark.” ?

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On 3/9/2021 at 3:57 PM, Paul Roberts said:

Yeah, well... whatever. I'm pretty nerded out after my last post on the first-cast superstition . Interesting topic here, not so much the reasons for the red teeth, that's been discussed a bunch and the bottom line is the real work hasn't been done to explain the physiology behind it. I'm more interested lately in how "information" gets believed. Keep going back to a buddy who once said, "A little information can be a dangerous thing." Then there's Occam's Razor (the elegant answer), Cooper's Law ("Don't assume conspiracy for what can be better explained by ignorance", and Carl Sagan's, "Opinion is easy; Knowledge takes work.") At least in fishing, little harm can come beyond an ego bruise. And we all get used to that.

 

I'll add P T Barnum, "A bass angler is born every minute"...

On 3/9/2021 at 7:15 PM, 12poundbass said:

They blame Lake Michigan here. 

Saw a radar shot showing lake effect snow all the way down to western MD a couple of weeks ago.