Sheesh, Kistler Heliums pop way up to $400

[Sphynx]

And the point of most of those here is you have no idea what factors have influenced this price hike, did the taxes go up? How about wage rates in the area? Electricity? Water? Shipping rates? Insurance costs? Rent if they moved into a new shop/building? How about website hosting fees, attorney retainers, accounting fees, marketing and additional employees, Every single one of these expenses and potentially others could all have a localized effect on the cost of doing business where they operate, that might have zero influence on any other company, all legitimate expenses too, that ought to be investigated thoroughly before any accusations of foul play are made, you'd also never really see these expenses unless you were to review the company's accounts and contracts, something you have no right to do, since you seem convinced that these price hikes aren't necessary, why not open a shop making rods right next door to them for $100 less, good chance if your able to do so and still turn a profit you'll put them out of business because everyone will be buying your rods instead, but you can't just arbitrarily decide "This rod should cost X" when you have no idea what it costs that company to bring a product to market.

[waymont]

46 minutes ago, Sphynx said:

And the point of most of those here is you have no idea what factors have influenced this price hike, did the taxes go up? How about wage rates in the area? Electricity? Water? Shipping rates? Insurance costs? Rent if they moved into a new shop/building? How about website hosting fees, attorney retainers, accounting fees, marketing and additional employees, Every single one of these expenses and potentially others could all have a localized effect on the cost of doing business where they operate, that might have zero influence on any other company, all legitimate expenses too, that ought to be investigated thoroughly before any accusations of foul play are made, you'd also never really see these expenses unless you were to review the company's accounts and contracts, something you have no right to do, since you seem convinced that these price hikes aren't necessary, why not open a shop making rods right next door to them for $100 less, good chance if your able to do so and still turn a profit you'll put them out of business because everyone will be buying your rods instead, but you can't just arbitrarily decide "This rod should cost X" when you have no idea what it costs that company to bring a product to market.

Whatever. What are you his lawyer. You like the price hike, buy them. I never accused anyone of Nefarious doings.Nefarious doings.

[Sphynx]

2 minutes ago, waymont said:

Whatever. What are you his lawyer. You like the price hike, buy them. I never accused anyone of Nefarious doings.Nefarious doings.

No, I'm a guy who knows what it takes to run a small business, so I have a bit of first hand experience, saying that a company is charging an unfair price for a product without a shred of evidence can be extremely damaging to a small business, how do I know? Been there, done that, I'm not at all suggesting that his prices are bona-fide, just that there are a million things that can affect the price of goods that you'll never see, nor is it right that you should, look at it this way, Lamborghini charges a mighty large sum for the cars they sell, you reckon they spend anywhere near that amount to make them? Not a chance, but people are perfectly happy to buy one for the status of it, that's a transaction between Lamborghini and its customers and my opinion on whether it's a smart purchase or not isn't worth the time it takes to type it up, I don't like it when people try to insinuate or put down small businesses without a single reason to justify it, if you put a bold comment like that out for public discussion, you'll hear a lot of different opinions, I've said some things others are likely to disagree with, if they want to present a case why I'm talking out of my hind end, I opened that door by commenting, and I can assure you that I won't be getting defensive or snippy about it.

[waymont]

15 minutes ago, Sphynx said:

No, I'm a guy who knows what it takes to run a small business, so I have a bit of first hand experience, saying that a company is charging an unfair price for a product without a shred of evidence can be extremely damaging to a small business, how do I know? Been there, done that, I'm not at all suggesting that his prices are bona-fide, just that there are a million things that can affect the price of goods that you'll never see, nor is it right that you should, look at it this way, Lamborghini charges a mighty large sum for the cars they sell, you reckon they spend anywhere near that amount to make them? Not a chance, but people are perfectly happy to buy one for the status of it, that's a transaction between Lamborghini and its customers and my opinion on whether it's a smart purchase or not isn't worth the time it takes to type it up, I don't like it when people try to insinuate or put down small businesses without a single reason to justify it, if you put a bold comment like that out for public discussion, you'll hear a lot of different opinions, I've said some things others are likely to disagree with, if they want to present a case why I'm talking out of my hind end, I opened that door by commenting, and I can assure you that I won't be getting defensive or snippy about it.

Cool. If every smaller rod company raises prices at the same percentage, then it will be reason enough for me to know it's bigger than one company. Like I said, I never insinuated anything about why they raised prices, I only stated it. Please don't put words in my mouth. Do you think equating kistler to Lamborghini  is a very good analogy? I'm not sure any rich old guys are buying kistler rods to get younger women. Maybe they are, who knows. 

Also, as a customer, we are all free to purchase whatever we want to purchase.

I don't want to argue with anyone.

[Sphynx]

8 minutes ago, waymont said:

Cool. If every smaller rod company raises prices at the same percentage, then it will be reason enough for me to know it's bigger than one company. Like I said, I never insinuated anything about why they raised prices, I only stated it. Please don't put words in my mouth. Do you think equating kistler to Lamborghini  is a very good analogy? I'm not sure any rich old guys are buying kistler rods to get younger women. Maybe they are, who knows. 

Also, as a customer, we are all free to purchase whatever we want to purchase.

I don't want to argue with anyone.

Well, considering it illustrated my point as well as anything else would have yes, I do consider it a good analogy, and I don't interest myself in what rich old men spend money on in pursuit of women, I just drink with their women who pay for the whole thing while the rich old guy is too busy making that money to notice or care, as to your second to last sentence, that's what we've been saying, vote with your wallet, if you think Kistler is charging too much, go buy a competitors rod, if they can offer a rod just as good or better I'd be happy that you got such a great deal, I have no interest in arguing, or name calling, I just don't think it's fair to single out a manufacturer for the pricing they choose to set unless there is some good reason for doing so.

[waymont]

1 minute ago, Sphynx said:

I just don't think it's fair to single out a manufacturer for the pricing they choose to set unless there is some good reason for doing so.

My initial feeling was I don't see any other companies raising prices at this rate. It just raised my hackles a little bit. It's all good. ?

[jimmyjoe]

   The price Kistler charges has to stand up to the forces of the marketplace. If it doesn't, then Kistler falls. If it does, then criticism is just FOMO.  Be patient; time will tell.       ??       jj

 

[QUAKEnSHAKE]

11 hours ago, BaitFinesse said:

Looks like a sub $50 rod.  How these companies keep getting away with it I'll never know.  

 

10 hours ago, Michigander said:

Looking at the guides, how they are wrapped, and the finish quality will give you a better idea of whether it's cheaply made or not. Assuming the cork is high quality, I don't think simplicity = bad.

You nailed it BaitFinesse. Ive had $50 rods built better than the overpriced poor craftmanship crooked guides on Kistler H3. 

6 hours ago, rangerjockey said:

You don't like Kistler Everybody gets it.  Have you priced Torzites lately ? They are on the Xtasy and Conquest what do they cost ?

And you seem like a fanboy with his feeling hurt cause not every person is as enamored over an overpriced product.

[Mbirdsley]

I’ve always said I’d be willing to pay %20-%30 more for a made in the USA item.  Any more than that and the basic economic principles come into play. 
 

I treat made in the USA and assembled as the same.  I would much rather items say assembled in USA and it be truthful than lying to make more money .  
 

At least with assembled some one blue collar/middle class  received a pay check for assembly and a honest days work.  That’s not to say hi-lo drivers or the janitor at the corporate headquarters/ware house receiving the shipment from over seas didn’t deserve it. 

[rangerjockey]

10 hours ago, QUAKEnSHAKE said:

 

You nailed it BaitFinesse. Ive had $50 rods built better than the overpriced poor craftmanship crooked guides on Kistler H3. 

And you seem like a fanboy with his feeling hurt cause not every person is as enamored over an overpriced product.

 I'd love to hear your explanation of over priced . If you indeed did own one with crooked guides, which i doubt, did you call Trey and have them make it right or just talk about it to people who can't fix it ?

Fanboy ? Most of my rods are GLoomis .

[Sphynx]

2 hours ago, rangerjockey said:

 I'd love to hear your explanation of over priced . If you indeed did own own one with crooked guides, which i doubt did you call Trey and have them make it right or just talk about it to people who can't fix it .

Fanboy ? Most of my rods are GLoomis .

One of the phenomenon exacerbated by the advent of the internet is it becomes even easier for people to not do any research or provide proof of what they claim...you know, exactly the opposite of what we were told would happen. 

 

I am positive that Kistler rods has shipped a bad rod, for that matter so has Loomis, Shimano, Megabass, Daiwa and every other manufacturer, QC issues happen, damage in transit happens, not notifying the manufacturer and giving them an opportunity to make it right before you jump on the internet and start trashing their reputation is a very poor way of convincing folks that these companies make bad products, so is making these claims without any photos or evidence to back it up, the manner in which a company resolves instances of QC failures is a far more realistic manner of judging the company's quality, they have warranties and claims services for a reason, it isn't their fault if you won't avail yourself of them.

[roadwarrior]

That's enough...

Good night Irene.