Why Anti Reverse

[J Francho]

I'm still trying to figure what we're talking about, lol.  The switch, the drag, not having a switch?  Is the AR on or off?  What does this mean?  

 

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

10 hours ago, J Francho said:

I'm still trying to figure what we're talking about, lol.  The switch, the drag, not having a switch?  Is the AR on or off?  What does this mean?  

 

And we’ve still got a month until ice out

[DitchPanda]

If this is indeed a thread about backreeling I can't get involved. Last time I thought I may have my life threatened. Just kidding.......kinda. In all seriousness people here get crazier about the debate of backreel vs drag then politics and religion. There are some things you just don't bring up!

[vaparrothead]

Wow!! Never realized what a "can of worms" I was opening up.  Just curious about back-reeling, why use it.  I guess I'm also too old to learn new tricks.  Have never used it, always use drag or open the bail.  

Thanks for all the replies, learned a lot and thanks to all that replied

[galyonj]

On 2/22/2021 at 5:43 PM, Michigander said:

That sounds way smarter than me just forcing the bail open!

 

If it's that close, I just grab the line and strip some off against the drag. This also helps me make sure I've got the drag set where I like it.

[MickD]

Vapparowhead, based on the bass in your  picture, I think you should just keep on doing what you're doing, whatever it is.

 

"Never change a winning game."

Just now, MickD said:

Vapparowhead,

Sorry, Vaparothead

 

[Fishes in trees]

I like to be able to turn anti reverse on and off.   I think it is better to have the switch and not need it than to need it and not have it.  I have a Shimano Nasci, which lacks the switch to turn anti-reverse on and off, and while the Nasci is a good reel , it is never my first choice because it doesn't have the switch.

[MN Fisher]

16 minutes ago, Fishes in trees said:

I have a Shimano Nasci, which lacks the switch to turn anti-reverse on and off, and while the ascidians is a good reel , it is never my first choice because it doesn't have the switch.

Ya - the new model Pflueger Trions have eliminated the switch as well. Just waiting for that to creep up the product line.

[K1500]

You back reel guys realize the drag still works with the AR turned off, right? Unless you tighten the drag to lock it down more than you normally would. I don’t see how you can apply *more* pressure to a fish you are fighting on the drag by flipping the AR off. You can apply *less* force, by back reeling before the drag slips. I just set the drag where I want it and trust it. If you want more force, palm the spool as the drag slips (if you dare). 

[Team9nine]

23 minutes ago, K1500 said:

You back reel guys realize the drag still works with the AR turned off, right? Unless you tighten the drag to lock it down more than you normally would. I don’t see how you can apply *more* pressure to a fish you are fighting on the drag by flipping the AR off. You can apply *less* force, by back reeling before the drag slips. I just set the drag where I want it and trust it. If you want more force, palm the spool as the drag slips (if you dare). 

Yeah, you tighten the drag down much more than a typical person does when backreeling, which is kind of the point to it.

[K1500]

I figured, but I see references to folks switching mid-fish, which sounds like they aren’t also readjusting their drag, but perhaps they are. 

[Team9nine]

24 minutes ago, K1500 said:

I figured, but I see references to folks switching mid-fish, which sounds like they aren’t also readjusting their drag, but perhaps they are. 

 

I believe most mentions of adjusting during mid-fight based on previous threads were guys adjusting the drag on the fly as needed, most often lighter when they realize they might be set too tight. Those aren’t the backreelers, though, which are “set it and forget it.”

[WRB]

Prior to instant anti reverse bearings spinning reels and bait casting reels used a spring dog to engage a gear to prevent reel handling rotating backwards and drags to allow spools clutch tension.

The spring dog was unreliable. Daiwa TD SS Spinning reels introduced a heavy duty gear drive anti reverse design that could be engaged or disengaged with a lever. Shortly after the SS design anti reverse bearings became available eliminating the 1/8 turn backwards to engage the drive gear dog. 

Today all bait casting reel have instant anti reverse handle drive shafts. A few spinning reels still have lever disengagement handle drives for the few anglers who prefer back reeling that don’t trust or set drags. 

Nobody wants to go back to the knuckle buster days when reels didn’t have drags.

Tom

[Bluebasser86]

9 hours ago, K1500 said:

You back reel guys realize the drag still works with the AR turned off, right? Unless you tighten the drag to lock it down more than you normally would. I don’t see how you can apply *more* pressure to a fish you are fighting on the drag by flipping the AR off. You can apply *less* force, by back reeling before the drag slips. I just set the drag where I want it and trust it. If you want more force, palm the spool as the drag slips (if you dare). 

I set mine as basically a "break glass in case of emergency", type thing. It will slip just a tiny bit right before my lines breaking point in the off chance I hook a fish that takes off so fast that it hits the end of my line before I can get the AR switch flipped. It hasn't happened yet, but it's there. I just put my finger on the spool to make sure it doesn't slip when I'm really putting the heat one them.