I don’t like to be anal, but....

[Columbia Craw]

I have three Diawa casting reels that have “mini” handles. That’s 80 mm for me.  Two are JDM and the third a Zillion HD with the mongo handle swapped for a Tatula handle.  I just hate short handles. It feels like turning the handle on those old wall mount pencil sharpeners we had in school many years ago.

 

I wanted to get longer handles.  Big Bass turned me on to a company who had a quality carbon fiber handle option at a very affordable price.  So three handles later I upgraded the JDM models to 90 and the Zillion to a 100 . It’s much more relaxing.  My buddy thought I wasted my money and was anal and would have fished the reels as is.  I’m I over the top?  It’s only 10 mm but I like the additional length.

[jbsoonerfan]

If you think it's worth it, then it's worth it. That's all that really matters. It doesn't matter what your buddy thinks or what anyone on the web thinks. Now if you spent his money or my money, then our opinion might matter. Otherwise, meh.

[Darth-Baiter]

I’m interested!   Who is the vendor?

 

Only downside is the bigger handle may hang up when they are all side by side in my kayak rod holders. 

[J Francho]

What does your buddy think you're doing with the reels?

 

Seriously though, it's all preference. He doesn't have to fish them. 

[PhishLI]

1 hour ago, Columbia Craw said:

 My buddy thought I wasted my money and was anal and would have fished the reels as is.

Ah, tell your buddy to go fly a kite, unless your "buddy" is actually your wife! In that case "Yes Dear" works well for me. Please provide a link to those handles. TTT usually has a good selection of Daiwa handles. Occasionally 100 mm Zillion options show up for a really good price. The Tat 150 100mm handle is 29$

https://tackletrap.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=898_660_654

[FishinBuck07]

I am with Sooner!  If they want to pay my bills then they can tell me how and what to spend my money on!  Tell my inlaws the same thing when they question why I but more fishing gear, when they start paying my bills then they can tell me, until then stay out my business!  haha

[Fishlegs]

If you like the handles better that way then do it. I like mustard and pickles on my hamburger, but my kids hate mustard and pickles. I tell them that it isn't going in their mouth so they don't need to worry about what's on my burger. ??

[Big-Bass]

 

2 hours ago, Columbia Craw said:

I have three Diawa casting reels that have “mini” handles. That’s 80 mm for me.  Two are JDM and the third a Zillion HD with the mongo handle swapped for a Tatula handle.  I just hate short handles. It feels like turning the handle on those old wall mount pencil sharpeners we had in school many years ago.

 

I wanted to get longer handles.  Big Bass turned me on to a company who had a quality carbon fiber handle option at a very affordable price.  So three handles later I upgraded the JDM models to 90 and the Zillion to a 100 . It’s much more relaxing.  My buddy thought I wasted my money and was anal and would have fished the reels as is.  I’m I over the top?  It’s only 10 mm but I like the additional length.

 

Columbia Craw,

 

Nope...you're not nuts!  I agree fully that those little differences make a huge impact on a fishing day.  The company is from Ukraine called SDS Customs.  His stuff is like Hedgehog and the like and his shipping is quick.  Things get here faster from him in another continent then some of my domestic mail.

[bulldog1935]

me, too this is my favorite 105 mm Avail handle I've used on 3 reels.  

 

a bit longer, 60 mm pitch Livre handle

[PhishLI]

10 minutes ago, Big-Bass said:

The company is from Ukraine called SDS Customs

Did you order directly from him, or use his store on the auction site?

[Big-Bass]

8 minutes ago, PhishLI said:

Did you order directly from him, or use his store on the auction site?

Auction site.  Same with CC I believe.

[Catt]

Been doing that since the 70s ?

 

The rosewood handles are pretty but not functional.

 

 

[DomQ]

Everytime I pass by this thread all I see is I dont like anal. Man the mind sure can play tricks on you eh.

[fissure_man]

All else equal, swapping out an 80 mm handle for 100 mm reduces your force at the handle by 20% and increases the handle path circumference by 25%. It’s a matter of preference, but it’s not insignificant. We belabor other subtleties of our gear that are (arguably) less consequential. E.g. a 7’ rod is only 8% longer than a 6’6” rod, yet we routinely split hairs between 6’6”, 6’8”, 6’9”, 6’10”, 7’0”, etc…   

[bulldog1935]

has the opposite effect from the way it was worded - longer handle increases the torque you put into the reel, and effectively slows down the gearing, since you're moving your hand farther for a rotation.  

You can use handle length to tune your reel for both lures and fish.  

 

Longer handle will also increase the contact loads on gear teeth and drive bearings.  Probably not a concern with well-designed gears, and could be a concern where you have bushings instead of bearings.  

[DomQ]

1 hour ago, fissure_man said:

All else equal, swapping out an 80 mm handle for 100 mm reduces your force at the handle by 20% and increases the handle path circumference by 25%. It’s a matter of preference, but it’s not insignificant. We belabor other subtleties of our gear that are (arguably) less consequential. E.g. a 7’ rod is only 8% longer than a 6’6” rod, yet we routinely split hairs between 6’6”, 6’8”, 6’9”, 6’10”, 7’0”, etc…   

 

48 minutes ago, bulldog1935 said:

has the opposite effect from the way it was worded - longer handle increases the torque you put into the reel, and effectively slows down the gearing, since you're moving your hand farther for a rotation.  

You can use handle length to tune your reel for both lures and fish.  

 

Longer handle will also increase the contact loads on gear teeth and drive bearings.  Probably not a concern with well-designed gears, and could be a concern where you have bushings instead of bearings.  

Nerds.......... Just kidding, you guys are 100x smarter then I am. ?

 

But here's some real numbers for you, If the handle is carbonfiber its instantly 73.88% cooler.

[fissure_man]

51 minutes ago, bulldog1935 said:

has the opposite effect from the way it was worded - longer handle increases the torque you put into the reel, and effectively slows down the gearing, since you're moving your hand farther for a rotation.  

You can use handle length to tune your reel for both lures and fish.  

 

Longer handle will also increase the contact loads on gear teeth and drive bearings.  Probably not a concern with well-designed gears, and could be a concern where you have bushings instead of bearings.  

 

The longer handle increases the torque for an equivalent applied force, or reduces the applied force for an equivalent torque. It’s the same equation rearranged in different ways. Agreed that you can choose handle length according to preference for different applications. Similar in some ways to changing gear ratio, but not the same.

 

The longer handle doesn’t increase load on the gears assuming the presentation is the same (same lure, same retrieve speed). In the extremes, a longer handle would give you more leverage to wrench on the gears, but your drag will slip at the same load regardless of handle length. And unless you’re winching your truck out of the mud, peak load on the gears delivered through the spool shaft (e.g. setting the hook, pulling on a fish or snag) and your handle shaft is just resting on A/R (handle length is irrelevant).

[Darth-Baiter]

Nobody said anything about there being some math

 

 

[J Francho]

Sometimes certain gear just feels better, and some of us like to figure out why.  The devil is always in the the maths and science. ?