New St Croix rod

[Allen Der]

48 minutes ago, Spankey said:

Was just on SC site to read up on their news in general. Went through some of their rods and majority of not all of their rods are sold out. I’m sure that means factory stock. The dealer situation is what it it is. Pretty odd. Never seen it to that point before. Could be a Covid-19 thing. Maybe they have not been working. Who knows. Don’t want to read anything more into it than what I see. 

Park Falls was closed for a while last year, not sure about Mexico.  I'm sure dealers bought up all the stock available.  I bet their direct online business makes up a very small percentage of their total sales.

[Spankey]

54 minutes ago, Allen Der said:

Park Falls was closed for a while last year, not sure about Mexico.  I'm sure dealers bought up all the stock available.  I bet their direct online business makes up a very small percentage of their total sales.

You are most likely right. I don’t think they want you to by online to the SC store. They probably wish you buy from dealer. I have my share of SC Rods and have never bought from factory online. 

[iabass8]

2 hours ago, Sir Shamsalot said:

A 6.2oz unlined Alphas Air on a H/F rod... 

yes, a 6.2oz reel. There’s plenty of rods out there That balance significantly better at the same length, with the same size real. It bothers some people more than it bothers others. If you weren’t worried about it, then stop worrying about it. You don’t have to fish with other peoples rods.

[Allen Der]

23 hours ago, Spankey said:

You are most likely right. I don’t think they want you to by online to the SC store. They probably wish you buy from dealer. I have my share of SC Rods and have never bought from factory online. 

 

I only buy from their website when they have a closeout deal

[Spankey]

1 hour ago, Allen Der said:

 

I only buy from their website when they have a closeout deal

Out my way there are a couple of dealers that give a decent discount when a model Phases out or changes. 
 

Then there is this one dude out here that has some of the first generation of the Mojo’s out with the original mark on them. 
 

They do put out a good product though. 

[Hulkster]

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The weirdest thing to me about the new rods seems to be the lack of blank contact under the reel seat.

yeah i didn't notice this at first but every baitcasting rod I have owned (all Loomis ones) have had an exposed rod blank under the reel seat. I think not having one would probably drive me crazy lol

[NOC 1]

On 2/19/2021 at 8:40 PM, J Francho said:

The tip heavy thing is mostly keyboard huff and puff. Some are, but there no different than any other company's rods. They're all rip heavy when you tie a bait on. 
 

@A-Jay I'm leaning towards spinning. 

So, basically anyone's opinion that might differ with yours is worthless huffery and puffery that deserves to be ignored. How DO you suffer the existence of we mere mortals?

[Mike L]

13 minutes ago, NOC 1 said:

So, basically anyone's opinion that might differ with yours is worthless huffery and puffery that deserves to be ignored. How DO you suffer the existence of we mere mortals?

C’Mon Man!

 

 

 

 

Mike

[optimator]

1 hour ago, Mike L said:

C’Mon Man!

 

 

 

 

Mike

[FishTank]

I've had a $150 BPS gift card burning a hole in my pocket for a few weeks.  I think I will hold out for one these rods.  It will be nice to see how it compares to the Mojo, Premier, and Avid. 

 

My two cents on the tip heavy rod debate.....  I fished several St. Croix rods and IMHO, around 2012 (guessing here) something in their rods changed. They became less stiff/tip heavy and they got rid of the hump below the reel seat on models that had it.  Prior to that I was not the biggest fan.   With that said, if you stick a light weight reel on a heavy pitching rod (from the mojo, avid, or legend tournament line up with a Shimano STX), it's going to feel tip heavy with a 3/4oz jig or bait.  And that's pretty much any rod.  Another example of this is, I tried out a G. Loomis NRX 854 with an Aldebaran and didn't like it >tip heavy.  I put the Aldebaran on the 853 and it was magic. I then put a Bantam on the 854 and again magic.  I can't explain it but there it is. 

[J Francho]

13 hours ago, NOC 1 said:

So, basically anyone's opinion that might differ with yours is worthless huffery and puffery that deserves to be ignored. How DO you suffer the existence of we mere mortals?

Sorry my opinion hurt you so bad.  

[Johnbt]

While we're waiting on all of the rods to make it to the shelves, does anybody remember enough college physics to explain how to solve this problem? I don't, it was 50 years ago.

 

I was googling rod torque since St. Croix said they are now considering rod torque and came across this at  www.bartleby.com/questions-and-answers/28.-the-fishing-pole-in-figure-p10.28-makes-an-angle-of-w-20.0-with-the-horizontal.-what-is-the-torq/0b55ff40-72cd-418b-9eda-b7542a02168f

 

[Finessegenics]

1 hour ago, Johnbt said:

While we're waiting on all of the rods to make it to the shelves, does anybody remember enough college physics to explain how to solve this problem? I don't, it was 50 years ago.

 

I was googling rod torque since St. Croix said they are now considering rod torque and came across this at  www.bartleby.com/questions-and-answers/28.-the-fishing-pole-in-figure-p10.28-makes-an-angle-of-w-20.0-with-the-horizontal.-what-is-the-torq/0b55ff40-72cd-418b-9eda-b7542a02168f

 

 

This triggered my fight or flight response

[J Francho]

1 minute ago, Finessegenics said:

 

This triggered my fight or flight response

So, you're not down for discussing how a rod is a Class III lever, and not a Class I, as is depicted in so many of these discussions?

[Finessegenics]

1 minute ago, J Francho said:

So, you're not down for discussing how a rod is a Class III lever, and not a Class I, as is depicted in so many of these discussions?

 

No. And don't make me feel dumb ?

[fishwizzard]

2 hours ago, J Francho said:

So, you're not down for discussing how a rod is a Class III lever, and not a Class I, as is depicted in so many of these discussions?

 

I don't feel like it's a true class III as the effort is created either entirely at the fulcrum point (pistol gripped/short gripped rods) or a combo of at the fulcrum and behind it, using your forearm to support the rod butt letting you use more of your arm to apply the effort.  

 

TackleTour uses "balancing torque" to describe rods, I can't find the formula, but the idea is to measure how much force it takes to keep the tip parallel to the ground when balanced at the middle of the reel seat. 

[J Francho]

I think there's two different concepts there, but only one has a fish at the end of the line.  If you lock the butt of the rod to either your body, or elbow, it is indeed a Class III lever.  I can see your point in other styles of handling the rod with a fish on the end.  

[fishwizzard]

2 minutes ago, J Francho said:

I think there's two different concepts there, but only one has a fish at the end of the line.  If you lock the butt of the rod to either your body, or elbow, it is indeed a Class III lever.  I can see your point in other styles of handling the rod with a fish on the end.  

 

To cross over into the "YouTube Influencer" thread, I would absolutely love to see some videos covering the various mechanics of fishing from a physics perspective. I have seen other videos where athletes are wired up to sensors so the various forces can be recoded and visualized, I bet something like that would be really popular.  

 

Back in '19 I was looking at getting a very short frog rod and had one of the CAD people at work figure out for me how much less line a 6' rod vs a 7' one will move per inch of arc.  I sadly lost the drawing she did for me but it was very surprising how much it was and it was very helpful in justifying to myself the purchase of a very fast reel. 

 

 

[J Francho]

4 minutes ago, fishwizzard said:

To cross over into the "YouTube Influencer" thread, I would absolutely love to see some videos covering the various mechanics of fishing from a physics perspective. I have seen other videos where athletes are wired up to sensors so the various forces can be recoded and visualized, I bet something like that would be really popular.  

I like it!  There's a dude doing it for skating, so why not?

 

[fishwizzard]

17 minutes ago, J Francho said:

I like it!  There's a dude doing it for skating, so why not?

 

 TBH I was a little disappointed to not see a dude covered in sensors eating pavement.

 

As we are well off topic, this is a fav of mine, using sumo wrestlers as the subjects.  

 

 

[SK1]

15 hours ago, FishTank said:

I've had a $150 BPS gift card burning a hole in my pocket for a few weeks.  I think I will hold out for one these rods.  It will be nice to see how it compares to the Mojo, Premier, and Avid. 

 

 

Same here and thinking about the 7"3" spinning as a dedicated wacky rod.

[S Hovanec]

Awww, man.  Looks like I'm gonna have to order one of those 610MLXFs.  That new blank intrigues me.

[FishTank]

1 hour ago, fishwizzard said:

 

I don't feel like it's a true class III as the effort is created either entirely at the fulcrum point (pistol gripped/short gripped rods) or a combo of at the fulcrum and behind it, using your forearm to support the rod butt letting you use more of your arm to apply the effort.  

 

TackleTour uses "balancing torque" to describe rods, I can't find the formula, but the idea is to measure how much force it takes to keep the tip parallel to the ground when balanced at the middle of the reel seat. 

Here you go.....

https://www.softschools.com/examples/simple_machines/class_three_lever_examples/513/

[fishwizzard]

2 minutes ago, FishTank said:

Here you go.....

https://www.softschools.com/examples/simple_machines/class_three_lever_examples/513/

 

I think we are talking about different points of time during the fishing process.  What I mean is that when I am fishing a tip-up presentation with slack in the line, I am holding a casting combo with my left hand palming the reel with either all of, or three of my fingers under the reel.  The rod butt is not touching my body so that there is less to dampen any vibrations transmitted up the line/rod to my hand.   In that case, the fulcrum point is clearly at the real seat and not at the rod butt. 

 

When I detect a bite, I clench the rod between arm and body in anticipation of the hookset, changing the fulcrum point.  I still don't know if that truely moves it all the way back to the rod butt rather then to some point in between the reel seat and butt., which is why we need someone who knows the math, has the equipment, and wants to be a youtube star to step up and make us some videos.  

 

 

 

[J Francho]

32 minutes ago, S Hovanec said:

Awww, man.  Looks like I'm gonna have to order one of those 610MLXFs.  That new blank intrigues me.

Pretty sure that's the one I will go with.  I can do a really good A/B comparison with other lines like Avid and even other brands since I have more than a few similar.  Saint Croix has always had something special with their MLXF rods.