New St Croix rod

[Sir Shamsalot]

That H/EF is enacting a gravitational pull on my wallet in anticipation. 

[Finessegenics]

@jimmyjoe

[jimmyjoe]

13 minutes ago, Finessegenics said:

@jimmyjoe

   Excuse me, @Finessegenics, but I don't quite get your point. @J Francho had said that he preferred up-locking reel seats, like you showed, evidently because the exposed threads on down-locking reel seats (like Cashion's) are uncomfortable. My point was that you can have down-locking reel seats with NO EXPOSED THREADS. That's what I use.

                                jj

[J Francho]

It's two things I like, really.  And that isn't too hard to figure out, is it?  If you must delve into semantics in order to debate online, I'm game for the extra posts.  I prefer an up locking seat on a spinning rod.  It also gets the threads way below the leverage point when a fish is on, making it more comfortable.  Unless you hold the rod like a fashion model in a jeans ad, it works better. On all rods, I prefer the threads not be exposed.  It's not as bad on an up locking seat, but still annoying.  The new Victory rods appear to have addressed both things.  I like it.  

 

Do a search of my posts in the past 10 years or so, from when I first got a Dobyns Champion Extreme, and I see how much I liked the hidden threads.  I've probably posted about it at least 101 times since.  I don't think I've made my preference as clear about uplocking seats.

 

As always, make sure you gear matches up nicely, and your purse matches your shoes and belt.  This puts more fish in boat. ?

[kingmotorboat]

7 hours ago, J Francho said:

It's two things I like, really.  And that isn't too hard to figure out, is it?  If you must delve into semantics in order to debate online, I'm game for the extra posts.  I prefer an up locking seat on a spinning rod.  It also gets the threads way below the leverage point when a fish is on, making it more comfortable.  Unless you hold the rod like a fashion model in a jeans ad, it works better. On all rods, I prefer the threads not be exposed.  It's not as bad on an up locking seat, but still annoying.  The new Victory rods appear to have addressed both things.  I like it.  

 

Do a search of my posts in the past 10 years or so, from when I first got a Dobyns Champion Extreme, and I see how much I liked the hidden threads.  I've probably posted about it at least 101 times since.  I don't think I've made my preference as clear about uplocking seats.

 

As always, make sure you gear matches up nicely, and your purse matches your shoes and belt.  This puts more fish in boat. ?

 

so what you’re saying is ????? kidding

[J Francho]

No, I'm serious about your fishing outfits.

[FishTank]

Thought this was cool.....

 

 

[optimator]

2 hours ago, J Francho said:

No, I'm serious about your fishing outfits.

Please stop posting photos of me without my permission  

[ArthurLK11]

I'm going to get one just to see what it's like. I currently have a 7'1" MF Mojo Bass as my kind of all around bass rod and I think I'll get the same power and action of this rod to see how they compare. I mostly throw jerkbaits on it and some heavier soft plastics.

 

Here's what I think St. Croix did. They went out and said "How can we make this rod look and feel expensive while still making it cheap?" They came out this this new blank and put in all their expensive technologies in it. Then they went and put $10 guides on it. I have a Legend Elite Panfish that retails for $360 with $100 guides on it. The guides there make up ~30% of the price. The guides on this rod make up ~5% of the price. I'm curious how it'll compare with the Mojo line, but I think the Mojo line is done. These rods are roughly only $40 more expensive than the comparable model in the Mojo line. Even if the rods fished identically, the Victory has a 15 year warranty vs the 5 year on the Mojo. That extra $4 per year makes it well worth it to pick up this rod over the Mojo in my opinion. 

[A-Jay]

First Off, I am a St Criox fan.

I have & fish several different lines of their rods.

I am curious about this one as well and may just snag a couple to satisfy that.

BUT

This is what I think they did.

I think they repurposed Avid blanks, put a cool paint job & name on them and 

are promoting the heck out of it. 

"Made in USA". 

Mixed SCIII & SCVI - really ? 

As noted the price point seems to match the idea that they are not giving us a whole lot more;

at least nothing we can actually see - the components are not anything special.

So what's the deal ?

I guess we'll find out.

If they are not all that & a bag of chips,

I'm sending it back.

So there's that.

A-Jay

[J Francho]

I'm going to have to get one. Since I have more than 30 SC rods, many of them Avids, I'm pretty sure I can make a reasonable comparison. 
 

I think the main deal with SCIV is that it's fragile, so why not mix it with the proven durability of SCIII. They're already well versed in blending glass and graphite rods. 

[roadwarrior]

Looking forward to the new series. One of my favorite all time is the LES70MF.

We'll see how these compare.

[kingmotorboat]

4 hours ago, J Francho said:

No, I'm serious about your fishing outfits.

guy in the high yeller means business. Look that captain Morgan stance. Beyond spiffy and serious

[Sir Shamsalot]

4 hours ago, J Francho said:

No, I'm serious about your fishing outfits.

Thanks... in just one picture, you took away all my justifications for complaining about how many matching purses, shoes, and such the wife buys since fishing is the ultimate "matching accessories are important" sport.

 

On the plus side, you've given me a "reason argument" material for the next time time I need to reason with her over the Tackle Warehouse bill.

[A-Jay]

1 hour ago, J Francho said:

I'm going to have to get one. Since I have more than 30 SC rods, many of them Avids, I'm pretty sure I can make a reasonable comparison. 
 

I think the main deal with SCIV is that it's fragile, so why not mix it with the proven durability of SCIII. They're already well versed in blending glass and graphite rods. 

Good Me Too - we'll compare notes.

Which way you leaning, Spinning or casting.

I'm thinking maybe one of each.

#baitmonkeiesunite

A-Jay

[kingmotorboat]

I’ve yet to try a st croix due to the tip heavy I always hear about and I primarily own dobyns. This series though the talk of balance really has me intrigued 

[J Francho]

The tip heavy thing is mostly keyboard huff and puff. Some are, but there no different than any other company's rods. They're all rip heavy when you tie a bait on. 
 

@A-Jay I'm leaning towards spinning. 

[A-Jay]

2 minutes ago, J Francho said:

The tip heavy thing is mostly keyboard huff and puff. Some are, but there no different than any other company's rods. They're all rip heavy when you tie a bait on. 
 

@A-Jay I'm leaning towards spinning. 

Thanks J

and I like tip heavy.

Isn't that strange ?

Helps balance out those old POS & rock like Quantum reel I insist on using.

A-Jay

[J Francho]

Quantum. The Ram truck of reels. Sorry Zebco lovers!  
 

*I actually own two myself. 

[kingmotorboat]

I owned a Fitzgerald rod that was tip heavy as Dolly Parton before so I’m always cautious lol

[iabass8]

New rods are very lightweight but still annoyiny tip heavy based on the pics floating around.

 

the 610mlxf being roughly 2.9oz sounds awesome

[J Francho]

That's the model I'm interested in. I want to learn drop shot. 

[CFDoc]

13 hours ago, J Francho said:

 They're all rip heavy when you tie a bait on.

And then the bait goes in the water.

[dam0007]

@J Francho I had a couple Tatula Elite spinning rods. Not the Feider one, the ones I had, had a “Daiwa” custom one, Eva above the handle portion and the locking nut at the bottom. Fantastic reel seat. No threads, no gaps between the hood and the base like the Fuji. If it was cork over Eva would be my favorite seat ever period. Definitely worth handling next trip to a shop that sells them. ??

this gap ^ is almost as if Fuji originally designed it for like a 500 size reel. It should sit flush when locked down but doesn’t. Any rod company that uses it experienced the same thing. Looks incomplete IMO. I also hate exposed threads, I don’t care if the rod costs $1000 there’s no excuse for it. Lol 

[waymont]

16 hours ago, ArthurLK11 said:

I'm going to get one just to see what it's like. I currently have a 7'1" MF Mojo Bass as my kind of all around bass rod and I think I'll get the same power and action of this rod to see how they compare. I mostly throw jerkbaits on it and some heavier soft plastics.

 

Here's what I think St. Croix did. They went out and said "How can we make this rod look and feel expensive while still making it cheap?" They came out this this new blank and put in all their expensive technologies in it. Then they went and put $10 guides on it. I have a Legend Elite Panfish that retails for $360 with $100 guides on it. The guides there make up ~30% of the price. The guides on this rod make up ~5% of the price. I'm curious how it'll compare with the Mojo line, but I think the Mojo line is done. These rods are roughly only $40 more expensive than the comparable model in the Mojo line. Even if the rods fished identically, the Victory has a 15 year warranty vs the 5 year on the Mojo. That extra $4 per year makes it well worth it to pick up this rod over the Mojo in my opinion. 

I think the aluminum oxide guides are the cheapest guides Fuji makes. I think it’s a bummer  they went with those guides. I think the Fuji Fazelite guides are really excellent, and are very reasonably priced. They should have gone to those instead.

14 hours ago, kingmotorboat said:

I’ve yet to try a st croix due to the tip heavy I always hear about and I primarily own dobyns. This series though the talk of balance really has me intrigued 

Not all of the St Croix models are tip heavy. However some are. I would never buy a St Croix without holding it first. I had two legend bass rods that were so tip heavy they really bothered my wrist, but I also have two Legend Walleye rods that are incredible.