Longest Casting 6 lb Non-Braid line?

[FryDog62]

What mono/co-poly/fluorocarbon 6 pound line do you get best casting distance from? I’ve heard that Gliss casts a country mile, but that it’s too fragile. 

 

What else do people like? 

[garroyo130]

If Big Game made 6lb, that would be it.

 

If you're strictly looking for casting distance, stretch is probably going to work to your benefit though the distance gained may be negligible. 

 

I would image that at 6lb test, lines of similar diameters would cast roughly the same distance. I can't see a 6lb test line having enough memory to have a significant effect on casting distance. 

[jimmyjoe]

   Wouldn't you call Nanofil a non-braid? It casts a great distance, but I wouldn't trust it without pre-testing the whole reel-full. I had a couple spools with segments that just fell apart (literally) in my hands.

   In 6 lb. test, I now use Stren Original. Yes, it benefits from a larger arbor and lip diameter, but it's strong, consistent, and I'm happy with it.   ?      jj

[Team9nine]

Sounds like you're walking a fine line. Gliss and Nanofil are technically not braids, but the same could be said for Fireline (fused, not braided). Of those 3, I'd go Fireline because of questionable characteristics in the lightest pound tests of the other two. It won't throw as far as Gliss/Nanofil, but 6# Fireline should throw a lot further than any nylon/copoly also rated at 6# because of the diameter difference.

[FryDog62]

2 minutes ago, Team9nine said:

Sounds like you're walking a fine line. Gliss and Nanofil are technically not braids, but the same could be said for Fireline (fused, not braided). Of those 3, I'd go Fireline because of questionable characteristics in the lightest pound tests of the other two. It won't throw as far as Gliss/Nanofil, but 6# Fireline should throw a lot further than any nylon/copoly also rated at 6# because of the diameter difference.

True, they are non-braid... I'll add the caveat that this will be used in gin clear smallmouth waters so needs to be low viz, i.e. mono/co-poly/fluorocarbon. And Ultra finesse micro guides that braid/leader won't go through. 

[Team9nine]

Just now, FryDog62 said:

True, they are non-braid... I'll add the caveat that this will be used in gin clear smallmouth waters so needs to be low viz, i.e. mono/co-poly/fluorocarbon. And Ultra finesse micro guides that braid/leader won't go through. 

 

So now it gets interesting...likely comes down to suppleness and line diameter. You could go with a class rated line like Tectan which will actually break at 6 pounds but be thinner and likely throw further than traditionally rated 6 pound lines (if distance is the biggest factor in your situation). Your other option would be the thinner standard 6 pound lines like XL or similar. The 6 pound rated softer fluorocarbons like InvizX and Tatsu will be thinner than those, but you have the increased linear density which might offset any casting advantage gained by diameter. Tough choice, and I can't recall any testing I've seen comparing casting distance of fluoros to nylons. If I had to choose, my first shot would be the fluoros (InvizX or Tatsu 6#) based on the ultraclear water (refractive index), better sensitivity and smaller diameter.

[OkobojiEagle]

I'd spool on 4lb labeled original Fireline in un-colored (crystal).

 

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[KDW96]

Might try Stren Magnathin? It been around a long time,might work. I seemed to have pretty good luck with it. But i might be the only one using it also?

[FryDog62]

21 minutes ago, OkobojiEagle said:

I'd spool on 4lb labeled original Fireline in un-colored (crystal).

 

oe

Thx, but need something transparent for clear water, also I’m not sure if BFS baitcasting reel can use braid...

[TnRiver46]

27 minutes ago, OkobojiEagle said:

I'd spool on 4lb labeled original Fireline in un-colored (crystal).

 

oe

Old timers around here call 4 lb test smallmouth fishing “Bar (bear) huntin’ with a switch.” Doesn’t seem like enough weapon but it sure works sometimes. I think they got the idea from watching crappie fisherman catch big smallmouth (and be mad about it) 

 

disclaimer: I do not recommend hunting bears with a switch 

[FishTank]

6lb Seaguar Tatsu cast the best out of any spinning gear line I have tried but I actually tend to like Trilene XL 100% FC better.  It tends to be a little softer and the knot strength is just as good.  It doesn't hold up as well but since I use spinning gear less than casting, it's more cost effective. 

[jimmyjoe]

15 minutes ago, KDW96 said:

Might try Stren Magnathin? It been around a long time,might work. I seemed to have pretty good luck with it. But i might be the only one using it also?

 

   Nope. There are at least 2 of us.   ?

 

3 minutes ago, FryDog62 said:

Thx, but need something transparent for clear water, also I’m not sure if BFS baitcasting reel can use braid...

 

   Absolutely BFS can use braid. It's just a matter of which flex, which diameter and which weave. The answer might turn out to be different than you think for whichever reel you choose.

   OTOH, there's nothing you can do about the visibility issue, except hope that low diameter alone is sufficient.         jj

[Armtx77]

7 hours ago, FishTank said:

6lb Seaguar Tatsu cast the best out of any spinning gear line I have tried but I actually tend to like Trilene XL 100% FC better.  It tends to be a little softer and the knot strength is just as good.  It doesn't hold up as well but since I use spinning gear less than casting, it's more cost effective. 

I used my nephews rig spooled up with Tatsuya and came away impressed.

[FryDog62]

12 hours ago, Team9nine said:

The 6 pound rated softer fluorocarbons like InvizX and Tatsu will be thinner than those, but you have the increased linear density which might offset any casting advantage gained by diameter. 

Been thinking more about this point which is valid... however, as I think about it more - would the higher density give more weight when casting a light 1/16 oz hair jig and actually help get more distance? 

[Team9nine]

5 minutes ago, FryDog62 said:

Been thinking more about this point which is valid... however, as I think about it more - would the higher density give more weight when casting a light 1/16 oz hair jig and actually help get more distance? 

 

It’s a weird game of physics I haven’t completely broken down and analyzed yet. Fluoro, being heavier/denser on the spool will require greater startup effort, but once the spool is rotating, would have greater inertia or momentum for the same spool speed. But with casting, it’s the bait and it’s weight trying to pull the line off the reel and cover a certain amount of distance before running out of energy. Would seem to  be harder to keep fluoro suspended and coming off the spool for the same amount of casting effort. That said, I’ve never had much issue casting things like #6 Shad Raps on my fluoro outfits when properly set up. I’m still leaning toward toss up between the two types.

[bulldog1935]

The tournament casting guys use copolymer (Sakuma), hard (and brittle) on the outside, very thin, and not worth a dang for fishing (if you google other forums). 

 

For the fishing trade-off, I'm on board with the Seaguar Tatsu and Abrazx guys - thin and excellent knot strength - and will also give a nod to YoZuri copolymer.  

IMO, Abrazx is the best-buy line.  The YoZuri is not the thinnest, but limp and low memory.  I fished a spool of Tatsu and, to me, it wasn't worth the cost difference over Abrazx.  

[JLBBass]

Izorline super copolymer XXX

[FryDog62]

Yes, very familiar with Yo-Zuri Hybrid... @Roadwarrior has used the 4 lb a lot and based on his recommendation a few years ago, I picked up a spool back when I could find it that size. The 4 lb has the diameter of most 8 lb lines, but it is pretty strong, abrasion resistant and good knot strength. 
 

I have some 7 lb Sniper I would probably try before buying 6 lb Tatsu. 

16 hours ago, jimmyjoe said:

absolutely BFS can use braid. It's just a matter of which flex, which diameter and which weave. The answer might turn out to be different than you think for whichever reel you choose.

Valid point, any perspective on what size braid would or would not work on the BFS reel Daiwa Air Stream?  

[WRB]

6 lb test Sunline Super Natural and Stren Magathin  is .0080D.

Yo-Zuri Hybrid 4 lb test is .0090D

Tom

[FryDog62]

1 hour ago, WRB said:

6 lb test Sunline Super Natural and Stren Magathin  is .0080D.

Yo-Zuri Hybrid 4 lb test is .0090D

Tom

Tom, how do you like the castability/strength of Sunline Super Natural compared to Sniper? 

[WRB]

I use 5 lb Maxima Ultra Green comparable to 6 lb Sniper @ .008D regarding casting distance, both have about the same memory. 6 lb Super Natural mono is softer lower memory line and cast better.

5 lb UG has higher knot strength and abrasion resistance then 7 lb Sniper @ .0086D

Tom

[jimmyjoe]

3 hours ago, FryDog62 said:

 any perspective on what size braid would or would not work on the BFS reel Daiwa Air Stream?  

 

   No, I have no idea.  ?      jj

[FryDog62]

On 1/12/2021 at 8:28 AM, Team9nine said:

 

It’s a weird game of physics I haven’t completely broken down and analyzed yet. Fluoro, being heavier/denser on the spool will require greater startup effort, but once the spool is rotating, would have greater inertia or momentum for the same spool speed. But with casting, it’s the bait and it’s weight trying to pull the line off the reel and cover a certain amount of distance before running out of energy. Would seem to  be harder to keep fluoro suspended and coming off the spool for the same amount of casting effort. That said, I’ve never had much issue casting things like #6 Shad Raps on my fluoro outfits when properly set up. I’m still leaning toward toss up between the two types.

Ultimately I’ll have to experiment on the water, but I heard from someone at Dobyns today that has fished the new Ultra Finesse rod with a BFS reel. He tried both 10 lb braid and 4-6 lb fluorocarbon and thought the fluorocarbon cast further. So maybe your assertion that fluoro is denser and creates more inertia is the most accurate hypothesis. Surprises me a little bit, but I’m anxious to try out both in the Spring...

[Team9nine]

Just now, FryDog62 said:

Ultimately I’ll have to experiment on the water, but I heard from someone at Dobyns today that has fished the new Ultra Finesse rod with a BFS reel. He tried both 10 lb braid and 4-6 lb fluorocarbon and thought the fluorocarbon cast further. So maybe your assertion that fluoro is denser and creates more inertia is the most accurate hypothesis. Surprises me a little bit, but I’m anxious to try out both in the Spring...

 

  I'll be curious to hear your results. We can speculate, but first hand experience is a pretty strong determiner. Nothing like in-the-field data.

[Gary_Snyder]

What kind of reel are we talking about? If spinning, mono will cast further than Fluoro.......the fluro is heavy and creates extra friction crashing into the first couple of rod guides.

 

Berkley Ironsilk was said to be the longest casting line on a baitcasting reel, but it's discontinued.

 

For spinning I would look for the limpest mono I could find.......something like Berkley XL or Spiderwire EZ mono.