Daiwa Tatula 100 versus Daiwa Tatula Elite?

[ABrugs]

I think I made my decision. I’m going to go w/ the Tatula 100 in 8.1:1 on my tube jig setup and the Tatula Elite in the 7.1:1 on my jerkbait setup. I was at Bass Pro Shops earlier and picked up the 100 they had on display. Every time I pick that reel up, I love it.

 

^ I appreciate all of the advice and comments! This forum/site is awesome.

[iabass8]

The 100 is a solid reel as long as the gears are good. I picked one up to tinker with last year. added levelwind and handle bearings, flushed the snot out of the spool bearings and polished the spool shaft and clutch internals. super smooth reel and will bomb a jerkbait after I got done with it. 

[WRB]

On 1/5/2021 at 1:26 PM, GReb said:

Im not a mathematician but at the end of a long cast all reels will have a reduced IPT. I’m not sure how much reel world difference there would be

IPT reduction for 100 size bait casting reels is close to 40% at 40 yards; 30” IPT drops to 18” IPT.

Tom

[ABrugs]

1 hour ago, iabass8 said:

The 100 is a solid reel as long as the gears are good. I picked one up to tinker with last year. added levelwind and handle bearings, flushed the snot out of the spool bearings and polished the spool shaft and clutch internals. super smooth reel and will bomb a jerkbait after I got done with it. 

^ I’ve followed a lot of your comments on Daiwa reels and appreciate the perspective. Now, I don’t know anything about reel maintenance as I’m just getting into bass fishing and this will be my first nicer reel. I know there are a lot of YouTube videos that explain how to do reel maintenance, but would you also recommend just sending reels in to someone like DVT for an annual check-up?

 

@WRB - That is awesome data. Thanks! If I’m throwing tube jigs out there for distance, would you agree that an 8.1:1 in the Tatula 100 is the right move based on this for hook-setting ability?

[WRB]

That and to keep up with the bass to control it. The option is reel twice as fast. I changed to 8:1 when the 1st Tatula 100R came out.

Tom

[iabass8]

28 minutes ago, ABrugs said:

^ I’ve followed a lot of your comments on Daiwa reels and appreciate the perspective. Now, I don’t know anything about reel maintenance as I’m just getting into bass fishing and this will be my first nicer reel. I know there are a lot of YouTube videos that explain how to do reel maintenance, but would you also recommend just sending reels in to someone like DVT for an annual check-up?@WRB

 

 

Casting reels should be always be

serviced annually. Spinning can go significantly longer. 

[Shimano_1]

Never owned the elite but have had several 100's. Have 1 left thats for sale now thats one of the smoothest daiwas I've had. Thats my issue with them, I've had several and seems like no 2 of em feel and sound the same.  Some aren't as smooth as others,  some are too geary, make funky noises on casts. Judging from what I've seen on the elites they may be a step above the 100 and sv reels. Lots of guys love em. My buddy fishes probably 15 ct reels and swears by em. Ive slowly migrated to mostly lews and shimano but the braking system on the daiwas is the real deal. 

[Sir Shamsalot]

On 1/9/2021 at 10:02 AM, ABrugs said:

Alright, so I would say I’m 90% decided on some combination of the Tatula 100 and the Elite. However, the one thing holding me back is my intrigue of the Shimano Curado/SLX DC reels. I’ve done a lot of research on these as well and the reason I’ve been heavily leaning towards the Daiwa Tatula line is because of how compact they are w/ the 100 frame, the simple Magforce braking system, the aesthetics, and the fact that they are lighter than the DC models listed.

 

^ The hype that comes w/ DC reels in addition to that unique ‘whine’ it makes and the simplicity of the I-DC4 system continues to intrigue me. Although, I’m not sure yet if I love or hate that ‘whine’ and if it would get annoying after some time. I should also mention that I’m a brand guy and I would either like to go all Daiwa or Shimano here for consistency w/ the feel and braking profile.

 

I realize this is a different angle compared to the conversation about different Tatula models, but would love some objective perspectives here. Thanks!

I own the SV's, the Elite, and the DC. The first thing I noticed was the DC's weight. It felt like i tied a brick to my rod. The DC's is pretty nice for the price. But if my DC is out casting my Elite distance wise, I don't notice it. Having casted the Elite and the DC for a good amount of time, i decided to replace a couple other reels. I bought 2 more Elites. The Elites are just a joy to fish with. They're relatively small, noticably much lighter, palm nicely, cast ridiculously far, and feel so solid. I was using my favorite 1/2oz double Colorado spinnerbait with it, and it felt so smooth.

[Big Hands]

On 1/5/2021 at 1:25 PM, waymont said:

For me the SV TW reels are a big upgrade from the 100. Worth the extra money.

You can usually find them on eBay for around $170

I have both as well, and I feel the same way. I did find my SV TW (not the 2020 model, but the previous version) on sale for $129 about a month and a half ago. I actually paid more for my Tatula 100 than I did for the SV TW.

[ABrugs]

2 hours ago, Sir Shamsalot said:

I own the SV's, the Elite, and the DC. The first thing I noticed was the DC's weight. It felt like i tied a brick to my rod. The DC's is pretty nice for the price. But if my DC is out casting my Elite distance wise, I don't notice it. Having casted the Elite and the DC for a good amount of time, i decided to replace a couple other reels. I bought 2 more Elites. The Elites are just a joy to fish with. They're relatively small, noticably much lighter, palm nicely, cast ridiculously far, and feel so solid. I was using my favorite 1/2oz double Colorado spinnerbait with it, and it felt so smooth.

 

^ This is exactly what I was hoping to see. I appreciate you!

 

It’s actually my birthday today and I just opened up my two new beautiful rods, the 6th Sense ESP 7’2 MH/MF and Lux 6’9 M/MF. I think these reels are going to feel and look amazing on them.

[Sir Shamsalot]

1 hour ago, ABrugs said:

 

^ This is exactly what I was hoping to see. I appreciate you!

 

It’s actually my birthday today and I just opened up my two new beautiful rods, the 6th Sense ESP 7’2 MH/MF and Lux 6’9 M/MF. I think these reels are going to feel and look amazing on them.

No problem. I feel Daiwa really hit a home run with their Elite line up. The Pitch/Flip is one of the best close quarter combat reels you can get for weight to pitch distance. The Long Cast gets the same accolades. Now the SV TW's are some if not the best around reels i own.. I recommend palming both the older and the new SV's. Besides size, the older has a bit higher drag. In fact, I reeled in a 42 inch musky with the older SV in a massive weed flat on a long cast that I definitely was not expecting to catch. 

 

Good Luck & Tight Lines

[ABrugs]

On 1/5/2021 at 4:14 AM, kayaking_kev said:

I would get two Elites, or at least the Tatula 100 for the Tube and the Elite for Jerkbaits.

My thinking is that you want as much distance as you can get on the cast for jerkbaits and the Elite is the farther caster from what I hear. But, I don't know how the Elite compares to the 100 in size, I wouldn't really want a big reel for jerkbaits.

 

I have the Tatula 100, but never tried the Elite, both of the 100's I've had seem a little finicky compared to my Shimano's or Tatula SV. 

I noticed one of your comments on another topic around the Shimano SLX MGL regarding how it compares to the Tatula 100. I had the chance to pick one up at Cabela’s yesterday and was really intrigued. Now I’m doing some research on both the SLX MGL and the Curado MGL 70 K to see if those could be better options than the Daiwa Tatula 100/Elite combination.

 

^ Does anyone have any experience or perspective on this? All I’m reading are awesome reviews on both of these MGL models.

[PhishLI]

25 minutes ago, ABrugs said:

Does anyone have any experience or perspective on this? All I’m reading are awesome reviews on both of these MGL models.

There's not a black or white answer to your question.

 

Shimanos and Daiwas require a different casting stroke and thumb pressure at different points in either the ascent or descent when brake settings are tweaked for distance. It's an issue of feel and velocity during the beginning of the cast with Daiwas. Plenty of people can switch from one brand to the other while fishing, but they make adjustments whether consciously or not. Same goes for casting from a Kayak or sitting in a Jon boat. Repetition over time calibrates your stroke to the seated position which is different from casting while standing.

 

So the answer is that they're different. One will be better to one person and vice versa. This doesn't make one better than the other, just more suited to one person or the other.

[ABrugs]

@PhishLI - Yeah, that’s a good point. With Daiwa having a magnetic braking profile generally and w/ Shimano have a centrifugal braking profile, which one is normally better performing at the beginning of aggressive casts? I realize everyone has a different casting technique, but is there a general consensus here?

 

^ Most of my overruns occur towards the beginning of the cast when they do happen, for example. I’m pretty confident w/ my ability to feather the spool later in the cast and upon entry. I think knowing this might really help in understanding which braking profile would be better suited for me.

[PhishLI]

1 hour ago, ABrugs said:

Yeah, that’s a good point. With Daiwa having a magnetic braking profile generally and w/ Shimano have a centrifugal braking profile, which one is normally better performing at the beginning of aggressive casts?

If we're talking about the older Shimano E series VBS, then yes, Shimano is quite a bit more tolerant of a whip cast, or a cast that loads and unloads late in the stroke. That type of cast will blow up a Daiwa in an instant. But as far as I can tell, SVS Infinity can be somewhat touchy here too. It's my opinion that Shimano shot for a cast requiring less effort because of Daiwa's reputation for offering that very thing. Personally I think they went too far. They could've chosen a middle ground between blunt force centrifugals and what they ended up with. In my opinion Lew's/Doyo has also taken this approach with ACB, but has done it better. Quantum gets little love here, but the ACS 4.0 system allows me to really lay into the cast but get fantastic distance too. It's a more tolerant system that compensates for the added friction by using a taller 36 mm spool. It accomplishes the trick of applying braking that allows for an imperfect hard cast then backs off enough to let it fly. Where everything else is equal regarding rod, line, and lure, each system requires feathering at different points, especially during the descent when I'm looking for max distance.

 

They're all manageable once you get a feel for each type, but what your preference will be is up to you in the end. If you're able to analyze what happens when things go wrong, then visualize your errors and make corrections to your casting mechanics, then you can fish with anything. Some people do this instinctively and some people need to think about it and have mental breakthroughs. It's a lot like swinging a golf club, but with an extra level of complication due to the calibration of the reel's overall behavior.

[Columbia Craw]

I would like to know what Diawa did in the Elite’s design beyond the aluminum side plate.  There is something about the deep spool and possibly the inductor that’s different but whatever it is, it works.  Some models can achieve some impressive distance but I feel like I’m right on the edge over the spool over rotating.   The Elite always feels like the progression of the braking is right on point without shorting casting distance.  

[Sir Shamsalot]

On 1/23/2021 at 2:51 PM, ABrugs said:

I noticed one of your comments on another topic around the Shimano SLX MGL regarding how it compares to the Tatula 100. I had the chance to pick one up at Cabela’s yesterday and was really intrigued. Now I’m doing some research on both the SLX MGL and the Curado MGL 70 K to see if those could be better options than the Daiwa Tatula 100/Elite combination.

 

^ Does anyone have any experience or perspective on this? All I’m reading are awesome reviews on both of these MGL models.

I came across a video on YouTube today by Lord Volde... by Hewhoshouldnotbenamed on his channel The Banana Test. Anyhow, the new Curado MGL "unsurprisingly" beat the newer Tatula SV TW103 by a whopping 2ft. I was interested in the MGL up until that point. If you ever watch the channel, you get an overwhelming sense that he just may... just may... have a bit of a biased reel view. Now that all said, if the MGL just barely beat the SV TW103, the Elite would definitely leave it in the dust. 

[GreenPig]

On 1/9/2021 at 10:02 AM, ABrugs said:

Alright, so I would say I’m 90% decided on some combination of the Tatula 100 and the Elite. However, the one thing holding me back is my intrigue of the Shimano Curado/SLX DC reels. I’ve done a lot of research on these as well and the reason I’ve been heavily leaning towards the Daiwa Tatula line is because of how compact they are w/ the 100 frame, the simple Magforce braking system, the aesthetics, and the fact that they are lighter than the DC models listed.

 

^ The hype that comes w/ DC reels in addition to that unique ‘whine’ it makes and the simplicity of the I-DC4 system continues to intrigue me. Although, I’m not sure yet if I love or hate that ‘whine’ and if it would get annoying after some time. I should also mention that I’m a brand guy and I would either like to go all Daiwa or Shimano here for consistency w/ the feel and braking profile.

 

I realize this is a different angle compared to the conversation about different Tatula models, but would love some objective perspectives here. Thanks!

I primarily fish Shimano and bought a Curado DC just to play with it and it's ok. Picked me up a Tatula 100 last month to see what those other fellas are always boasting about. The Tat 100 is smooth, easy to tune, cast great, and is very petite. I'd vote for the Tat 100 over the Curado DC. 

[ABrugs]

@Sir Shamsalot - I know exactly what you’re referring to as I’ve watched that video as well! I’ll be ordering my first reel for the tube jig setup this week and now I’m leaning towards the Elite in 8.1:1 and will then get the Elite in 7.1:1 for my jerkbait setup. These are going to be my two most used setups for smallmouth fishing so I figured I might as well invest.

[ABrugs]

@BaitFinesse - In your opinion, how would the Shimano MGL reels w/ the SVS system compare to the Tatula Elite or 100 on more aggressive casts? I don’t think I’m overly aggressive, but I do like to put some force into it.

[ABrugs]

I figured I would drop back in to update everyone on what I decided to do. I recently picked up the Tatula 100XS (8.1:1) for my tube jig setup and am in love w/ the feel and look of this combo. I also decided to go w/ the Tatula 100HS (7.1:1) for my jerkbait setup after going back and forth for a while between that and the Elite. My reasoning is that even though the Elite would be a sweet reel for this setup, I'm going to try to balance my rods/reels within the same price point and considering that I'll only be fishing once per week on average, it just doesn't make a ton of sense to invest in that kind of reel yet. In addition, this will be my first time using Daiwa reels and the 100 seems like a great starter reel to get a feel for the brand/lineup. The stealthy black rod/black reel combination also might've influenced my decision!

 

^ Thank you to everyone who commented and shared their advice and suggestions. I'll post a photo here of both setups tomorrow after I pick up the 100HS later today.

[ABrugs]

 

6th Sense ESP 7'2 MH/MF + Daiwa Tatula 100XS (8.1:1) > Tube Jig Setup

6th Sense Lux 6'9 M/MF + Daiwa Tatula 100HS (7.1:1) > Jerkbait Setup

[MiceNReets]

Those combos look very slick. ?? You’ll be really happy with the 100s

[Revival]

Sweet combos.  Put those new reels to work!

[ABrugs]

5 minutes ago, Revival said:

Sweet combos.  Put those new reels to work!

Thanks! We have about 10“ of snow right now and frozen lakes, but I’m dreaming about that first Saturday in April where I’ll be out there w/ both!