How to spool 4lb braid on bait finesse reel(HELP)

[ATA]

Guys I was trying for 3 hours(Yes 3 long hors), To make knot for 4lb braid directly to my bait finesse  Conquest reel. Having electric tape or any kind of tape is not an option since it will effect the line capasity and performance. Also backing is not an option as well. So how the hell I can do it? I want a knot that I can use and hold that. If I cant do it, I have no option but to go 6lb and wish ill not have same issue.

Would you please help? 

[ike8120]

I use an Arbor Knot.

 

[roadwarrior]

41 minutes ago, ATA said:

Having electric tape or any kind of tape is not an option since it will effect the line capasity and performance.

A teeny piece of tape is all you need.  It will have NO impact on capacity or performance.

[jimmyjoe]

   The spool diameter and braking systems for the Japanese BFS reels are designed with certain assumptions made by the manufacturer. If you notice, the Calcutta Conquest BFS has specs for .235mm line. You can try whichever diameter line you wish, but Shimano is gently trying to insinuate that this diameter line is going to work best in general.

   https://japantackle.com/casting-reels/shimano/round-shaped-casting-reels/reg0000212.html

   That happens to be the diameter of 6 lb. test Stren Original, but when it comes to braid, it's the diameter of 20 lb. test PowerPro Super Slick.

   https://www.tacklewarehouse.com/Power_Pro_Super8Slick_V2_Braided_Line_Aqua_Green/descpage-PVAG.html

 

   I advocate choosing line by DIAMETER, not test, for casting reels. The 4 lb. test you're trying to use is too small in diameter for a casting reel .... even a BFS reel.

   I also tried the BFS route for a while. I went the Daiwa route with a  Fuego CT100 and an aftermarket spool. What I found out was that using mono was much easier and more productive than braid.

   As in all things, YMMV.

   Good luck!    jj

 

   P.S. - Scuttlebutt has it that braid with higher tensile strength characteristics can ruin BFS spools. Word is that the spools are very lightly built, and that a fisherman in a moment of enthusiasm (or snag) can put too much stress on the spool. Be careful and set your drag accordingly.

  

  

[redmeansdistortion]

Wrap the line around the spool 4 or 5 times and tie it off with a uni knot.  It won't slip.  

 

Use a piece of tape to hold the line in place to get those wraps on, then pull it off before you tie the knot.

 

As you cinch the knot down, push the wraps towards the center of the spool.

 

Then finish filling your spool.  This is 8lb Daiwa J-braid, which is 0.13mm thick, a similar diameter to 2lb mono.

[bulldog1935]

I do arbor knot to the same test mono, then as short as possible, tie allbright knot to my braid

 

 

Also agree with @jimmyjoe 

you probably don't want to use 4-lb braid on any baitcaster.  

Jun at Japan Tackle recommends PE#1 line - 0.17 mm - as the smallest to use on any baitcaster.  

In this X-braid, that's 22-lb test, but would be 10-lb test in Sufix 832.  

 

I personally would move that 4-lb to a spinning spool.  

[redmeansdistortion]

Just now, bulldog1935 said:

Also agree with @jimmyjoe 

you probably don't want to use 4-lb braid on any baitcaster.  

Jun at Japan Tackle recommends PE#1 line - 0.17 mm - as the smallest to use on any baitcaster.  

The Japanese regularly run super thin diameter line on their BFS reels.  The method I described above was learned from a Japanese BFS YouTube channel.  Running thicker line on BFS is a largely American thing, whereas in Japan and Europe, they go thin.  Remember, this is a rig for finesse presentations and running 20lb or 30lb braid is counter productive to the technique.  20lb is more adequate to a more power finesse application, a technique you'd use with something like a Tatula SV.

[J Francho]

Run the line through two holes in the spool.

[jimmyjoe]

50 minutes ago, redmeansdistortion said:

The Japanese regularly run super thin diameter line on their BFS reels.  The method I described above was learned from a Japanese BFS YouTube channel.  Running thicker line on BFS is a largely American thing, whereas in Japan and Europe, they go thin.

 

   Interesting. Perhaps I would have had better results with a true JDM BFS rig. Perhaps not.

   I admit to having my own biases, but the one reason I experimented with BFS-style fishing is that it offered the ability to cast lures as light as what was common to UL spinning, but could do so with the authority afforded by monofilament line heavier than what one would use on that size spinning rig. I have caught larger fish on UL spinning gear, but only in unobstructed areas. When I fished in areas that had "stuff", my fishing was much more productive using line equal to 8 lb. Stren or stronger.

   And of course, "stronger" with nylon means larger diameter.

   I began this process in an area that was very productive for crappie, but which was rife with branches and trunks. Crappie love an environment like that. Of course, so do bass. I found out that 1) the slightly heavier nylon let me retrieve crappie lures snagged on branches, and 2) the heavier nylon allowed me to acquire bass that hit the crappie lures ....... usually, anyway.  ?

   So the bottom line is that most BFS aficionados use their rigs to target bass. I don't. I use (or used) mine to catch bass as a byproduct of snags and of crappie fishing.

   Then the state had to go ahead and drain my best crappie lake.  ???

 

   I hope you have good luck, @ATA!      jj

  

[redmeansdistortion]

22 minutes ago, jimmyjoe said:

 

   Interesting. Perhaps I would have had better results with a true JDM BFS rig. Perhaps not.

   I admit to having my own biases, but the one reason I experimented with BFS-style fishing is that it offered the ability to cast lures as light as what was common to UL spinning, but could do so with the authority afforded by monofilament line heavier than what one would use on that size spinning rig. I have caught larger fish on UL spinning gear, but only in unobstructed areas. When I fished in areas that had "stuff", my fishing was much more productive using line equal to 8 lb. Stren or stronger.

   And of course, "stronger" with nylon means larger diameter.

   I began this process in an area that was very productive for crappie, but which was rife with branches and trunks. Crappie love an environment like that. Of course, so do bass. I found out that 1) the slightly heavier nylon let me retrieve crappie lures snagged on branches, and 2) the heavier nylon allowed me to acquire bass that hit the crappie lures ....... usually, anyway.  ?

   So the bottom line is that most BFS aficionados use their rigs to target bass. I don't. I use (or used) mine to catch bass as a byproduct of snags and of crappie fishing.

   Then the state had to go ahead and drain my best crappie lake.  ???

 

   I hope you have good luck, @ATA!      jj

  

I hear you there.  I primarily fish woody impassable trout streams.  My usual setup is the above but with a 6lb fluorocarbon leader.  When I'm fishing bass I do run 20lb braid, but with the factory spool and not the RCS spool in the above photos.  That said, I have caught some giant smallies on that spool while fishing for perch.  It's a hoot when a big smallie is peeling line on that thing lol

[TnRiver46]

They make 4 lb braid? Bet that’s finer than frogs hair split 4 ways 

[bulldog1935]

@TnRiver46 it's actually finer than human hair by 0.001"

 

 

Edited January 1, 2021 by bulldog1935
he thinks I'm kiding, but I'm serious

[Vilas15]

5 hours ago, redmeansdistortion said:

With BFS, it's pertinent to strike a balance between line capacity and rotational mass.  50yd of 20lb will weigh a fair amount more than 50yd of 8lb.  I know running 20lb braid versus 8lb, the total weight of the spool goes up by almost 2 grams when running the same amount of line.  This can impact the lightest baits you can throw.  For instance, on my Revo ALC-BF7, a 1/32 jig with a 2" Powerbait Minnow (total weight of 1.7g) is a challenge to cast with 20lb braid, but with the 8lb it's completely effortless.  This is because the thicker line adds mass to the spool making it startup slower with such light baits.  If you aren't throwing much under 1/8, line diameter isn't as important.

You must be only putting on the minimum length you need for casting? Then your reasoning makes sense. I was going to ask why you wouldnt fill the spool if you could fit more with a lighter line.

 

If you spent 3 hours messing with 4lb maybe it's time to try 6lb and see how that goes. If youre not satisfied with casting then go back and spend 4 hours?

[redmeansdistortion]

1 hour ago, Vilas15 said:

You must be only putting on the minimum length you need for casting? Then your reasoning makes sense. I was going to ask why you wouldnt fill the spool if you could fit more with a lighter line.

I'm mostly fishing in closer quarters when using BFS gear, most of my casts are within 15yd so more line isn't needed on my part.  It's also much easier to pick out a backlash with less line on the spool.  

[WRB]

12 hours ago, J Francho said:

Run the line through two holes in the spool.

Your reel has holes do this.  Use  a yard (36”) of 6 lb mono through the holes and tie the braid uni-uni knot and spool the braid on.

Take a look at YGK X8 braid .0051 is 14 lb test!

Tom

[fishwizzard]

1 hour ago, WRB said:

 

Take a look at YGK X8 braid .0051 is 14 lb test!

I bought a spool of that stuff a few years ago, I looked at the diameter and didn't think it seemed too thin. What I was not prepared for was how limp it is.  I put it on an UL casting combo I wanted to use for trout and white perch. It was very hard to tie knots in, cold or wet hands made it frustrating as heck.  It was almost useless in any real wind, esp with 1/16oz and under presentations.  Worst of all, it was so limp and slick that any backlash was almost impossible to pick out even a minor backlash.  But, when it worked, it would sent a 1/16oz spoon into the next zip code.  I pulled it off the casting reel and stuck it on a spinning reel where it was less annoying, but it was still not great.  Oddly, I switched to an even thinner line, 6lb J-braid, but it is a lot stiffer and much easier to deal with.  

 

Imho for bass BFS fishing, as opposed to UL trout/panfish/perch stuff, one of it's main advantages is being able to use thicker fluoro then would handle well on a spinning combo of the same power.  None of the presentations I use for bass weigh less than 1/8oz and most are not much lighter then 3/16oz, so 7lb Sniper at .0086" is about as light as I ever really feel the need to go.  

[Teal]

1 hour ago, fishwizzard said:

 None of the presentations I use for bass weigh less than 1/8oz and most are not much lighter then 3/16oz, so 7lb Sniper at .0086" is about as light as I ever really feel the need to go.  

This... 

[jbsoonerfan]

18 hours ago, ATA said:

Having electric tape or any kind of tape is not an option since it will effect the line capasity and performance.

You lost me there. You obviously have no idea what you are doing and you heard on the internet that tape has a negative effect.

 

Tape will in no way make a difference one way or another.

[mcipinkie]

Dayumm !!

 

Are you people serious?

 

I doubt the fish will know any of this BS?

 

[JustJames]

8 hours ago, mcipinkie said:

Dayumm !!

 

Are you people serious?

 

I doubt the fish will know any of this BS?

 

Sometimes BS things lead to a great discussion. I know sometimes ppl trend to overthinking but that happens to all of us a one point. I’m still overthinking of what lure I’m gonna use today, why? I don’t like to catch fish day in and day out with just one type lure.

[jimmyjoe]

8 hours ago, mcipinkie said:

Dayumm !!

 

Are you people serious?

 

I doubt the fish will know any of this BS?

 

 

   You're kidding, right? Crazy flycasters, crazy duckhunters, crazy mudders and crazy benchresters make this discussion look like a desert oasis with cool breezes.  People can get INTO stuff.  ?   jj

[redmeansdistortion]

14 minutes ago, jimmyjoe said:

 

   You're kidding, right? Crazy flycasters, crazy duckhunters, crazy mudders and crazy benchresters make this discussion look like a desert oasis with cool breezes.  People can get INTO stuff.  ?   jj

If nobody had any hobbies, we'd all be reasonably well off lol

[bulldog1935]

Tackle tinkering and other hobbies have been a respite for many since April.  

So "well-off" can have different values.  

 

My buddy built a wooden kayak from a kit that cost more than most high-grade PE kayaks.  He said 80% of the work was sanding.  

 

[jimmyjoe]

4 minutes ago, redmeansdistortion said:

If nobody had any hobbies, we'd all be reasonably well off lol

 

That's true. But the whitecoats would have taken me away long, long ago. Like my Dad said years ago, "If a steam engine doesn't have a pressure valve it'll blow up."    jj

[mcipinkie]

It all depends on what your goal is.  If you are looking for something to do keep the winter blues, away, have at it. 

 

I fully understand.  I used to custom build rods, some professionally, some for my own pleasure.  Fun way to spend off time.  If any of you have built rods, you will understand this.  I used to wrap with A - thread.  Got to be worse than 4 lb braid.

 

If your goal is to catch more, bigger fish (mine is), then I would direct my efforts toward that goal.

 

Neither is right, or wrong, unless you're in it for money.  Then if you aren't in the check line, you did it wrong.