Sunline shooter marionette special

[Bandersnatch]

Does anybody have any experience with this variant of shooter? I'm looking at trying it in 16-18lb as my mainline as another attempt to try floro over braidto leader. I tried 12lb tatsu last year, and it was like fishing with a rubber band, to me. 

[FishTank]

23 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

Does anybody have any experience with this variant of shooter? I'm looking at trying it in 16-18lb as my mainline as another attempt to try floro over broad to leader. I tried 12lb tatsu last year and it was like fishing with a rubber band, to me

 

What application are you using it for?  I have tried regular Shooter and it was just good. I like Invizx better and Tatsu way better.   I heard this version of Shooter was kind of similar to Seaguar Abrazx.  

 

I am kind of curious about the 12lb Tatsu of yours.  I have been using 10lb, 12lb, and now 15lb and never found the line to be all that stretchy unless I get hung up and I am trying to pull out a snag.   What makes it better to me than Invizx and Shooter is it's ability to go back to it's original form after being stretched.   Earlier this year, I finally changed out the Tatsu on my main set up.  It was 4 years old. 

 

If you are looking to try something different from Sunline for main line, you might look at Sunline Defier.   Love this line and it's mono.  It does stretch some but better than any other mono and it holds up really well> Imagine CXX but much more manageable and soft.

[iabass8]

Shooter is about all use for bottomcontact and flipping. Been using it for years in 12-22#. Absolutely love it. Way less stretch than tatsu. 

[Mike L]

1 hour ago, iabass8 said:

Shooter is about all use for bottomcontact and flipping. Been using it for years in 12-22#. Absolutely love it. Way less stretch than tatsu. 

Ditto

 

 

Mike

[WRB]

The mid range Shooter now called Marionette is the original Sunline offering in the USA back in the mid 90’s. Sniper followed a few years after Shooter for 4 to 10 lb test FC , Shooter was available 10 to 20 lb test as I recall.

Not many choices until later around 2000 when other brands became available in 100 +yard filler spoons.

I have tried every FC over the past 25 years and Shooter remains my 1st choice. Giving Seaguar Tatsu 12 lb another try  out, let you know how it goes. I only use FC for jigs and worms and it’s been a love hate relationship due good feedback with unpredictable knot strength regardless of the knots used.

Tom

[Bandersnatch]

17 minutes ago, WRB said:

The mid range Shooter now called Marionette is the original Sunline offering in the USA back in the mid 90’s. Sniper followed a few years after Shooter for 4 to 10 lb test FC , Shooter was available 10 to 20 lb test as I recall.

Not many choices until later around 2000 when other brands became available in 100 +yard filler spoons.

I have tried every FC over the past 25 years and Shooter remains my 1st choice. Giving Seaguar Tatsu 12 lb another try  out, let you know how it goes. I only use FC for jigs and worms and it’s been a love hate relationship due good feedback with unpredictable knot strength regardless of the knots used.

Tom

Does this mean it's less or more stretch than the other shooter variants? Is the fact that's its the original mean the other ones are better? Serious question 

[WRB]

Stretch is very subjective topic. IMO anglers “feel” line drag and I can’t tell one FC brand from another of=the same diameter.  The difference is hardness and memory. Lower memory is easier line to manage. Harder surface has higher abrasion resistance. Combining the two separates various brands.

Shooter is a harder surface line with higher memory in the larger diameters with decent knot strength. Sniper has lower memory, less abrasion resistance and decent knot strength.

My first experience with Tatsu when it came out the abrasion resistance and overall performance wasn’t any better then Sniper. Will see if it’s been improved.

Tom

 

[Bandersnatch]

On 12/23/2020 at 5:14 PM, FishTank said:

 

What application are you using it for?  I have tried regular Shooter and it was just good. I like Invizx better and Tatsu way better.   I heard this version of Shooter was kind of similar to Seaguar Abrazx.  

 

I am kind of curious about the 12lb Tatsu of yours.  I have been using 10lb, 12lb, and now 15lb and never found the line to be all that stretchy unless I get hung up and I am trying to pull out a snag.   What makes it better to me than Invizx and Shooter is it's ability to go back to it's original form after being stretched.   Earlier this year, I finally changed out the Tatsu on my main set up.  It was 4 years old. 

 

If you are looking to try something different from Sunline for main line, you might look at Sunline Defier.   Love this line and it's mono.  It does stretch some but better than any other mono and it holds up really well> Imagine CXX but much more manageable and soft.

I'm guessing by your response that you're not a braid to leader guy. It seems like when you come from braid to leader most things feel stretchy 

[FishTank]

Just now, Bandersnatch said:

I'm guessing by your response that you're not a braid to leader guy. It seems like when you come from braid to leader most things feel stretchy 

 

I use both straight braid and braid to leader.  I usually use whatever I have left over from a filler spool if it makes sense for leader.  I always have one baitcaster and one spinning reel set up with braid to leader but they are not my first choice when it comes to line.  I found I like FC the best for most of my techniques. 

[scbassin]

I agree with iabass8 & Mike L

[WRB]

6 hours ago, Bandersnatch said:

I'm guessing by your response that you're not a braid to leader guy. It seems like when you come from braid to leader most things feel stretchy 

Straight braid for heavy cover and straight FC for casting jigs or T-rig worms in sparse cover w/ rock structure.

I am a 1 knot is 100% more reliable then 2.

Tom

[iabass8]

13 minutes ago, WRB said:

 

I am a 1 knot is 100% more reliable then 2.

 

What about Garlic Knots?

[WRB]

12 minutes ago, iabass8 said:

What about Garlic Knots?

Fresh roasted is better then raw.

Tom

[Bandersnatch]

I'm thinking about 12lb marionette special on my aldebaran 51 and conquest 842c for flukes, whacky rigs, light Texas rigs. Then, I need to decide between 16 or 18 lb for the p5 tachyon shaft and super destroyer. These will be for jigs, skipping docks, chatterbaits and do all. Do those line weights an applications make sense? Do any of you guys have openings opinions about that line in those sizes 

[iabass8]

1 minute ago, Bandersnatch said:

I'm thinking about 12lb marionette special on my aldebaran 51 and conquest 842c for flukes, whacky rigs, light Texas rigs. Then, I need to decide between 16 or 18 lb for the p5 tachyon shaft and super destroyer. These will be for jigs, skipping docks, chatterbaits and do all. Do those line weights an applications make sense? Do any of you guys have openings opinions about that line in those sizes 

I use 12# shooter for weightless senkos/light trigs/. 14# shooter for pitching tubes or skipping. 16# shooter for 1 trig set up that I skip /w a lot.  20# shooter on a trig setup and 20# shooter on a flipping/pitching jig setup. I don't use shooter for bladed jigs. I use 18/20# sniper for those. 

[Bandersnatch]

5 hours ago, iabass8 said:

I use 12# shooter for weightless senkos/light trigs/. 14# shooter for pitching tubes or skipping. 16# shooter for 1 trig set up that I skip /w a lot.  20# shooter on a trig setup and 20# shooter on a flipping/pitching jig setup. I don't use shooter for bladed jigs. I use 18/20# sniper for those. 

Thank you 

[Bandersnatch]

7 hours ago, iabass8 said:

I use 12# shooter for weightless senkos/light trigs/. 14# shooter for pitching tubes or skipping. 16# shooter for 1 trig set up that I skip /w a lot.  20# shooter on a trig setup and 20# shooter on a flipping/pitching jig setup. I don't use shooter for bladed jigs. I use 18/20# sniper for those. 

Do you think the stiffness negative effects bladed jigs? 

[iabass8]

4 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

Do you think the stiffness negative effects bladed jigs? 

No. I've used shooter when I didn't have any sniper on hand and it was fine. I just like the little extra stretch sniper has for moving baits. 

[WRB]

Any Lure I crank gets Sunline Defier Armiilo from swimbaits, top water, jerkbaits and crankbaits including Chatterbaits.

Tom

[fishwizzard]

15 hours ago, WRB said:

Any Lure I crank gets Sunline Defier Armiilo from swimbaits, top water, jerkbaits and crankbaits including Chatterbaits.

Tom

If Sunline would sell bulk spools of Defier Armiilo it would replace fluoro on a lot of my combos.  If they sold it in bulk spools and thinner diameters it would replace almost all of the fluoro I use.  It's an amazing line and gives most of the feel of fluoro with better handling, but I always end up with an annoying amount of line left on the spool and it makes my frugal eye twitch.  

[WRB]

I use 80 yards top shot on my size 100 reels. The 165 yard spool of 25 lb filled my size 300 swimbait reels, no longer have. The 11 lb 165 yard spool filled my HTSA 153 reel, surprised!

Tom