Best line for Ned Rigs

[GetFishorDieTryin]

I like to use 10 or 15lb braid to 6-10lb FC.  IMO the best part about the braid is you can actually see the hit if you don't have contact with your bait.  The drawback to that is the wind can bow braid enough to move real light baits.  FC sinks so the wind doesn't effect wont effect a FC mainline nearly as much.  

[QUAKEnSHAKE]

4 to 8 pound test Nanofil (more sensitive than braid) on spinning and 10 pound pps8s braid on casting for ned rig use, oh no leaders.

[MickD]

21 hours ago, Rusty_Shackleford said:

Uni Uni is a good knot when the 2 line are of equal dia., but as far as breaking strength and line flow there are much better knots that aren't difficult at all.   

There are not many knots that are as reliable and easy to tie as the double uni.  I've not had trouble with any dia combinations with the double uni, nor have I felt its breaking strength was bad.  The closest thing for ease of tying is most likely the Alberto, and there certainly is an easy way to screw it up.   I use the Alberto and FG, but both are trickier than the double uni, so if I don't need a small knot, I go with old reliable.  I think the problem with duplicating another's success with some of the knots is that the person who is successful doesn't realize or communicate the little tricks he's doing to make the knots reliable.  Being successful with some knots is not simply following the sketch  on the internet.

[roadwarrior]

The "trick" with the Alberto Knot is wraping the line to mesh without overlap. Tighten as

you go, alternate pulling both tags and main lines.  I am confident with the knot and trim

both tags close. The braid I burn with a cigarett lighter to form a small ball. Squeeze your

fingers so that you burn them before ruining the knot. Sometimes you will need to start over.

 

 

 

 

 

[GetFishorDieTryin]

On 12/23/2020 at 5:35 PM, MickD said:

There are not many knots that are as reliable and easy to tie as the double uni.  I've not had trouble with any dia combinations with the double uni, nor have I felt its breaking strength was bad.  The closest thing for ease of tying is most likely the Alberto, and there certainly is an easy way to screw it up.   I use the Alberto and FG, but both are trickier than the double uni, so if I don't need a small knot, I go with old reliable.  I think the problem with duplicating another's success with some of the knots is that the person who is successful doesn't realize or communicate the little tricks he's doing to make the knots reliable.  Being successful with some knots is not simply following the sketch  on the internet.

The only trick to the Alberto is keeping the braid by pulling all 4 lines until you are ready to seat it, then pull the mainlines and trim all the tag.  The Albright is a good alternative to the uni uni for long leaders, its just as fast and its smaller.  The uni uni has issues with fly line and lighter braid to 40 or 50lb mono landing leaders, at that point the dissimilar dia makes the knot much weaker. 

Honestly the best knot is the knot you know how to tie.    

[BrianMDTX]

7 hours ago, Rusty_Shackleford said:

Honestly the best knot is the knot you know how to tie. 

Have to agree lol. Using knots you really don’t know how to tie (or tie well) is a recipe for disaster. 

[BigAngus752]

On 12/20/2020 at 2:51 PM, APK62 said:

Using 6lb FC. After watching Glen's video on Ned Rigs I may Co-poly instead of FC. His logic what FC does with a ned rig makes sense. 

 

If you could remember in the spring to let me know how this experiment goes for you I would greatly appreciate it.  I am a huge fan of Yo-Zuri hybrid.  The only lines I have on baitcasters is 12lb Yo-Zuri and 40-65 Sufix 832.  I wanted to use Hybrid on my Ned set ups so I bought 6lb.  It was horrible.  I broke off the first three fish.  I respooled with new and broke the next one off.  I threw the spool away.  If you find a light co-poly that you like please let me know.  Until then I went back to my "old" line with @TnRiver46 and @Plottman1974 with 6lb Trilene XL (which never causes me problems). 

[Junk Fisherman]

36 minutes ago, BrianMDTX said:

Have to agree lol. Using knots you really don’t know how to tie (or tie well) is a recipe for disaster. 

Yeap.  After dabbling around with the FG knot, I went back to the Alberto.  Gotta be confident in your knots.

[dodgeguy]

On 12/20/2020 at 8:12 PM, Jig Man said:

Around here 6# fluorocarbon line will get twice as many bites as even 8#.  

Guess its not invisible

[MickD]

I have tried just about everything with the Alberto, but I still now and then get one that 
"unravels."  I am "religious" in making sure the braid tag end exits properly, and heavily set the knot as recommended.  I believe that the only way it can unravel is if the braid slips out of the "loop."  Even though I heavily set the knot to make sure the "loop" is closed tightly, now and then. . .

 

I have concluded that the best way to ensure this does not happen is to add two tightly set half hitches to the braid at the loop after setting the knot.  To unravel, both of them would have to unravel and then the tag would have to pull out from the loop.  Anyone else done this?  It will not make the knot any larger and should, IMO, improve the reliability of the knot.  

[Russ E]

19 minutes ago, MickD said:

I have tried just about everything with the Alberto, but I still now and then get one that 
"unravels."  I am "religious" in making sure the braid tag end exits properly, and heavily set the knot as recommended.  I believe that the only way it can unravel is if the braid slips out of the "loop."  Even though I heavily set the knot to make sure the "loop" is closed tightly, now and then. . .

 

I have concluded that the best way to ensure this does not happen is to add two tightly set half hitches to the braid at the loop after setting the knot.  To unravel, both of them would have to unravel and then the tag would have to pull out from the loop.  Anyone else done this?  It will not make the knot any larger and should, IMO, improve the reliability of the knot.  

that is strange. I have never had an alberto unravel. I just go 7 wraps down then 7 wraps back and tighten. then clip the ends. if one failed it was usually because I did not lube the knot and it burned the fluoro or mono.  

it may depend on how slick the braid is.

I use standard 4 carrier power pro.

[MickD]

I sometimes think it's because I do so much "snapping" of jigs, aggressive action, which may tend to loosen knots.  Never happens with double uni, sometimes happens with Alberto.  If I get a good FG, that sets properly without slipping, it holds all the time, too.  But the Alberto, not so.  Will be interesting to see if the half hitches solve it.

 

Russ E, how long do you leave the braid tag end?  What pound test leader are you using?  (I believe that the problem I have will be worse the heavier the leader since the closure of the loop will be tighter on lighter leaders than it will be on heavier leaders.)  My experience is with 12-15 pound test FC leader material, stiff fly tippets, not FC line used as leaders.

[ChrisD46]

I've come to the conclusion the FG knot (and to a degree - even the Alberto knot) requires being born with a 3rd hand !

[APK62]

On 12/25/2020 at 9:20 AM, BigAngus752 said:

 

If you could remember in the spring to let me know how this experiment goes for you I would greatly appreciate it.  I am a huge fan of Yo-Zuri hybrid.  The only lines I have on baitcasters is 12lb Yo-Zuri and 40-65 Sufix 832.  I wanted to use Hybrid on my Ned set ups so I bought 6lb.  It was horrible.  I broke off the first three fish.  I respooled with new and broke the next one off.  I threw the spool away.  If you find a light co-poly that you like please let me know.  Until then I went back to my "old" line with @TnRiver46 and @Plottman1974 with 6lb Trilene XL (which never causes me problems). 

I used 6lb invizx which is a great line. Fishing the ned rig tends to get hung up alot. Using braid with a leader and having to tie new leader leaders is  a time consuming process when fishing tournaments, not to mention windy rainy days. I will be using izorline xxx co-poly.

 

[gim]

On 12/22/2020 at 7:49 PM, QUAKEnSHAKE said:

and 10 pound pps8s braid on casting for ned rig use

How do you use a Ned rig with a BC setup? The weight isn’t nearly heavy enough to cast.

[fishwizzard]

39 minutes ago, gimruis said:

How do you use a Ned rig with a BC setup? The weight isn’t nearly heavy enough to cast.

By using a lighter rod and a reel that can cast that low. 

 

My neds (1/16oz-#4 head with a TRD) weight in right at 3/16oz, so at the lower limit for most "normal" casting reels, but right in the sweet spot for a lot of more finesse capable reels like the Alphas or Aldebaran lines.  It does take a lighter-than-average casting rod as well, but once you get one you will likely find a lot of other uses for it.  

 

That being said, I still prefer using a spinning combo for the ned, there is something about the ergonomics of a spinning reel that I prefer for a slow retrieve with pauses every 2-4 cranks.  

[dodgeguy]

55 minutes ago, gimruis said:

How do you use a Ned rig with a BC setup? The weight isn’t nearly heavy enough to cast.

I cast a Ned rig 1/10 oz. With a Lews Tournament Pro on a 6-6 medium BPS Patriot Rod on 8lb Sufix Advance Mono with no problem. You need a good reel.i just ordered the Lew's Custom Lite which has an even lighter spool so it should cast even further.

[MGF]

My most used ned is a 1/20 oz head. My most used line is 10# 832 or power pro to a 10# or 12# FC leader.

 

I have experimented with MANY braid to leader knots and I now use the FG or a blood knot. I use the blood knot more just because I can tie it anywhere. I have trouble breaking off even when I want to LOL.

[johnmyers]

I have had no problems with 20lb Smackdown and 6 or 8lb Blue Label or 8lb Tatsu for leaders. Use this on all my 2500 Stradics and NRX spinning outfits. Super sensitive and good knot strength 

[ChrisD46]

*Does co-poly line for a Ned Rig provide a better fall rate or some other advantage versus using the same line size in FC ?

[APK62]

5 hours ago, ChrisD46 said:

*Does co-poly line for a Ned Rig provide a better fall rate or some other advantage versus using the same line size in FC ?

In this video by Glenn he explains why his uses co-poly for Ned Rigs.

 

https://www.bassresource.com/bass-fishing-videos/ned-rig.html

[MickD]

On 12/26/2020 at 5:52 PM, ChrisD46 said:

I've come to the conclusion the FG knot (and to a degree - even the Alberto knot) requires being born with a 3rd hand !

The Alberto is quite easy if you hold the loop end with one hand and wrap the braid away from it with the other, then switch hands to hold the two lines at the end of the wrap and use the other hand to wrap back up towards the loop, stick the tag end through, wet it and set very solidly.  Then, IMO, add a couple tight braid half hitches before cutting the tag end.

[Russ E]

On 12/26/2020 at 4:20 PM, MickD said:

I sometimes think it's because I do so much "snapping" of jigs, aggressive action, which may tend to loosen knots.  Never happens with double uni, sometimes happens with Alberto.  If I get a good FG, that sets properly without slipping, it holds all the time, too.  But the Alberto, not so.  Will be interesting to see if the half hitches solve it.

 

Russ E, how long do you leave the braid tag end?  What pound test leader are you using?  (I believe that the problem I have will be worse the heavier the leader since the closure of the loop will be tighter on lighter leaders than it will be on heavier leaders.)  My experience is with 12-15 pound test FC leader material, stiff fly tippets, not FC line used as leaders.

I cut the tag ends flush with the knot. 

My setup is usually 15 pound power pro. With 6 or 8 pound fluoro, or mono leader. I have never used heavier fluoro or mono as a leader.

Generally if I need heavier line I switch to straight fluoro or braid, depending on the application.

I can see how the knot may knot stay tight with a heavier, stiffer leader.

[Hawgfinder]

I’m a huge fan of Yo-zuri hybrid line. I use 10# on my Ned rigs lots of rocks zebra mussels up here. I see no sense in extra knots and messing around with braid and leaders. Caught plenty of 4-6 pound plus smallies on this line. Rods are 7’ ml-m and 1/32-1/16 ounce Ned heads. 

I guess that’s why they’re so many choices cuz everyone likes something different.

I use 8# Yo-zuri on drop shot setup works fine imho

[JLBBass]

#6 or #8 Izorline Super Copolymer XXX.