Michigander Posted December 4, 2020 Author Posted December 4, 2020 @kayaking_kev if you haven't epoxied the G2 split grip and butt on one of those, I'd love to get a weight so I can add that to my notes. Quote
kayaking_kev Posted December 5, 2020 Posted December 5, 2020 7 hours ago, Michigander said: @kayaking_kev if you haven't epoxied the G2 split grip and butt on one of those, I'd love to get a weight so I can add that to my notes. I haven't epoxied them, but if you want the trim fittings for them included in the weight, you'll have to wait until they get to me tomorrow or Monday. If not I can throw them on the scales anytime. Quote
Michigander Posted December 5, 2020 Author Posted December 5, 2020 12 hours ago, kayaking_kev said: I haven't epoxied them, but if you want the trim fittings for them included in the weight, you'll have to wait until they get to me tomorrow or Monday. If not I can throw them on the scales anytime. Well, if I have the luxury of choosing, I would love to know the weight of just the handles and the weight with the trim pieces. ? I appreciate it! Quote
kayaking_kev Posted December 7, 2020 Posted December 7, 2020 On 12/5/2020 at 10:24 AM, Michigander said: Well, if I have the luxury of choosing, I would love to know the weight of just the handles and the weight with the trim pieces. ? I appreciate it! Two Sections of Handles by themselves = 0.45 oz. (14.26 grams) Handles + End Cap = 0.86 oz. (24.56 grams) Handles + End Cap + Two Trim Fittings = 1.07 oz. (28.5 grams) ------------------------------------ Handles = 14.26 Grams End Cap = 10.3 Grams Trims Fittings = 3.94 Grams Note: The End Cap also comes with a Trim Fitting that is including in it's weight. 1 Quote
Michigander Posted December 7, 2020 Author Posted December 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, kayaking_kev said: Two Sections of Handles by themselves = 0.45 oz. (14.26 grams) Handles + End Cap = 0.86 oz. (24.56 grams) Handles + End Cap + Two Trim Fittings = 1.07 oz. (28.5 grams) ------------------------------------ Handles = 14.26 Grams End Cap = 10.3 Grams Trims Fittings = 3.94 Grams Note: The End Cap also comes with a Trim Fitting that is including in it's weight. Oh, how interesting! That's a heavier weight than I expected. Very fascinating. Thank you, I really appreciate this!! 1 Quote
Michigander Posted December 11, 2020 Author Posted December 11, 2020 @kayaking_kev Did you happen to weigh the full handle? Quote
kayaking_kev Posted December 12, 2020 Posted December 12, 2020 22 hours ago, Michigander said: @kayaking_kev Did you happen to weigh the full handle? No, I didn't even think about it, was anxious to start building. I don't see there being a whole lot of difference though. Same number of arbors inside and trim fittings and end caps, the carbon material itself weighs very little and there might only be an inch or two more material anyway. Biggest difference is that the Trim fittings come with the full handle kit and you have to order them separately after taking measurements with the split grips. Quote
Michigander Posted December 12, 2020 Author Posted December 12, 2020 @kayaking_kev ok, no worries. I get the need to assemble. I just finished my first build today and my final part came in for the next one so tomorrow I'm rolling right into that one. Need to weigh my Pac Bay Minima seat vs the G2 with insert. Curious how they compare now that I have both in hand. I'm just surprised that the whole grip and butt assembly weighs an ounce. I was thinking that Carbon Fiber would be half the weight of Winn Grips but the Winn Grips are actually lighter. So the alleged sensitivity increase isn't coming from weight savings. I wonder if it has to do with the rigidity of the grips.... Quote
Super User Paul Roberts Posted December 12, 2020 Super User Posted December 12, 2020 I like everything as light as possible. Quote
Michigander Posted December 12, 2020 Author Posted December 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, Paul Roberts said: I like everything as light as possible. I do too, that's why I am interested in exploring what carbon fiber has to offer Quote
spoonplugger1 Posted December 12, 2020 Posted December 12, 2020 Historically our homebuilt graphite sleeve covered foam core grips were 10 to 15 % lighter than cork, or EVA. Production grips are way more expensive, multiple times more, and they are built for bling not weight savings. Quote
Michigander Posted December 12, 2020 Author Posted December 12, 2020 12 minutes ago, spoonplugger1 said: Historically our homebuilt graphite sleeve covered foam core grips were 10 to 15 % lighter than cork, or EVA. Production grips are way more expensive, multiple times more, and they are built for bling not weight savings. And bling they have, some of the fancier CF grips look super cool. It's just murky to me what the actual benefits are now. Are the CFX ones closer to home built ones? Quote
Michigander Posted December 12, 2020 Author Posted December 12, 2020 So now that I have some extra info and some parts in front of me... Note that my scale only does full grams... So my Winn Grip setup: Pac Bay Minima exposed seat: 22 grams Winn 3.5" rear grip: 10 grams Winn butt: 4 grams Winding checks for build: 2 grams Total weight: 38 grams (1.34 oz) Similar split grip build using G2 components (using grips/cap/trim weights from @kayaking_kev) G2 Razor reel seat: 21 grams Reel seat insert: 5 grams G2 grips: 14.26 grams G2 end cap: 10.30 grams G2 trim pieces: 3.94 grams Total weight: 54.5 grams (1.92 oz) So that's about 2/3 of an ounce heavier on the G2 layout. Interesting.... Quote
Michigander Posted February 4, 2021 Author Posted February 4, 2021 Adding more data, just got the NFC split grips in the mail. 3EFX3.75-2.0 Kit Rear grip, arbors, eva caps, and butt total combined weight is 21 grams Quote
Austinm Posted May 10, 2021 Posted May 10, 2021 On 11/30/2020 at 6:08 AM, kayaking_kev said: The G2 Full Handle comes with the trim fittings already, the G2 Split Grip Handle, you have to order them separately. Is the split grip only missing the butt cap and winding checks? Quote
kayaking_kev Posted May 11, 2021 Posted May 11, 2021 53 minutes ago, Austinm said: Is the split grip only missing the butt cap and winding checks? It comes with a butt cap and trim for it. I just had to get two winding checks, one for bottom of rear grip and one for top of butt grip. The top of my rear grip slid under my real seat so that was covered. The sucky part about it is having to get the grips and put them into your desired position, then take measurements and then place another order and wait for it. 1 Quote
Austinm Posted May 11, 2021 Posted May 11, 2021 11 hours ago, kayaking_kev said: The sucky part about it is having to get the grips and put them into your desired position, then take measurements and then place another order and wait for it. If your talking about needing to measure the od of the blank where your winding checks are going to go, there are charts for most blanks that tell you the diameter throughout the blank. Quote
Super User MickD Posted May 11, 2021 Super User Posted May 11, 2021 Those with a high priority on weight should look on line for very small but inexpensive electronic scales so you can weigh the components yourself so you know exactly what you're weighing and how much it weighs. If you use a weight-proportioned epoxy you can get the mix exactly right, too. You can verify blank weights, complete rod weights, fly line weights, lure weights, guide weights (weigh a number of them and divide by the quantity), postage weights, very handy to have. Costs less than a carbon fiber grip. 1 Quote
spoonplugger1 Posted May 11, 2021 Posted May 11, 2021 You don't need to order twice, NFC soft touch grips need no winding checks, or trim rings. Rubber winding checks don't need to be the exact size. 1 Quote
Super User MickD Posted May 11, 2021 Super User Posted May 11, 2021 30 minutes ago, spoonplugger1 said: Rubber winding checks don't need to be the exact size. And when totally encapsulated in epoxy, they are at the same time unobtrusive and classy, while lasting forever. Quote
Michigander Posted May 11, 2021 Author Posted May 11, 2021 58 minutes ago, spoonplugger1 said: You don't need to order twice, NFC sort touch grips need no winding checks, or trim rings. Rubber winding checks don't need to be the exact size. 27 minutes ago, MickD said: And when totally encapsulated in epoxy, they are at the same time unobtrusive and classy, while lasting forever. I thought for the G2's, they had special winding checks? Quote
Austinm Posted May 11, 2021 Posted May 11, 2021 11 minutes ago, Michigander said: I thought for the G2's, they had special winding checks? They do and they're aluminium. Quote
Super User MickD Posted May 11, 2021 Super User Posted May 11, 2021 I was not commenting on what G2 has or does not have. I just have personal repugnance for the aluminum fancy checks, sort of like too much lipstick on an older woman. I like the understated, but elegant, totally encapsulated, black winding checks. If I decide I need a check. 1 Quote
Michigander Posted May 12, 2021 Author Posted May 12, 2021 14 hours ago, MickD said: I was not commenting on what G2 has or does not have. I just have personal repugnance for the aluminum fancy checks, sort of like too much lipstick on an older woman. I like the understated, but elegant, totally encapsulated, black winding checks. If I decide I need a check. Sure, I just wanted to point that out for a future reader because I believe the G2 checks are also functional/structural rather than purely decorative. I'm also a fan of the rubber/silicone ones. I don't care to spend the money on aluminum ones, that starts to add up fast, especially on the skeleton handle split grip setups that I favor. Quote
Super User MickD Posted May 12, 2021 Super User Posted May 12, 2021 8 hours ago, Michigander said: functional/structural Please elaborate. thanks Quote
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