Expert

[GaryH]

On 11/12/2020 at 2:59 PM, J Francho said:

Marksmanship is just one aspect of becoming a hunting expert.  Much like casting accuracy is a part of fishing.  I don't see the parallel.  I can shoot pretty well, but can tell you squat about gun maintenance, ammo, or tracking down deer.

 

J F   I'll make you a deal. I'll share my hunting skills. If you share your fishing skills.

[WRB]

Expert Angler;

I will start a list of PB fish caught.

Fresh water in no order.

FLMB 19.3 lbs, lake Castiac

NLMB  12.3 lbs, lake Casitas

Smallmouth bass 5 1/4 lbs, Height of Land.

Spotted bass 4 lbs , lake Perris

Stripe Bass, 34 lbs, Sacramento River 

Black Crappie. 3 lbs lake Havasu
Blue Gill, 2 lbs Big Bear lake

Red Ear sunfish, 2 1/4 lbs, lake Casitas

Chanel Catfish, 40 lbs, lake Casitas 

Blue Catfish, 11 lbs lake Castaic

Rainbow trout,10 1/4 lbs, Big Bear lake 

Brook trout, 2 lbs Willow lake

Brown trout, 14 lbs Pleasant was Valley  

Golden Trout, 18” Kern River
Walleye, 5 lbs, lake of the Woods,  

Pike, 17 lbs, lake of the Woods

Musky, 37 lbs, lake of the Woods

Lake trout, 16 lbs Crow lake

Salt water

750 lbs Blue Marlin,BC

350 lbs Black Marlin, B
280 lbs Stripe Marlin, BC

110 lbs White Marlin, BC

340 lbs Broadbill swordfish, Catalina

90 lb Short bill, BC
190 lb Sail Fish, BC

78 lb Wahoo BC

267 lb yellowfin tuna, San Diego

186 lb Big Eye tuna,.San Diego

197 lb Blue fin tuna, San Diego

56 lb Albacore tuna,Morow bay

66 LC Yellow tail, BC

14.2 lb California Yellow Tail, WR 4 lb record 1983

80 lb Dorsbo, BC
Variety of King and Silver Salmon don’t recall weights.

I may be considered a expert fresh water bass angler using jigs but without a bench mark who knows?

Definitely can’t he considered expert  for any of the above species   Except LMB.

Tom

 

 

[J Francho]

11 hours ago, GaryH said:

 

J F   I'll make you a deal. I'll share my hunting skills. If you share your fishing skills.

I don't know that I have any real "skills" that I can share.  It's more an intuition on waters I know.  I remember years ago being frustrated that I only had good days when fishing with an experienced angler, but when alone it was hit or miss - mostly the latter.  Somewhere along the way, after many, many days on the water that problem waned.  I still have tough days, but that keeps me coming back.

[A-Jay]

9 hours ago, WRB said:

Expert Angler;

I will start a list of PB fish caught.

Fresh water in no order.

FLMB 19.3 lbs, lake Castiac

NLMB  12.3 lbs, lake Casitas

Smallmouth bass 5 1/4 lbs, Height of Land.

Spotted bass 4 lbs , lake Perris

Stripe Bass, 34 lbs, Sacramento River 

Black Crappie. 3 lbs lake Havasu
Blue Gill, 2 lbs Big Bear lake

Red Ear sunfish, 2 1/4 lbs, lake Casitas

Chanel Catfish, 40 lbs, lake Casitas 

Blue Catfish, 11 lbs lake Castaic

Rainbow trout,10 1/4 lbs, Big Bear lake 

Brook trout, 2 lbs Willow lake

Brown trout, 14 lbs Pleasant was Valley  

Golden Trout, 18” Kern River
Walleye, 5 lbs, lake of the Woods,  

Pike, 17 lbs, lake of the Woods

Musky, 37 lbs, lake of the Woods

Lake trout, 16 lbs Crow lake

Salt water

750 lbs Blue Marlin,BC

350 lbs Black Marlin, B
280 lbs Stripe Marlin, BC

110 lbs White Marlin, BC

340 lbs Broadbill swordfish, Catalina

90 lb Short bill, BC
190 lb Sail Fish, BC

78 lb Wahoo BC

267 lb yellowfin tuna, San Diego

186 lb Big Eye tuna,.San Diego

197 lb Blue fin tuna, San Diego

56 lb Albacore tuna,Morow bay

66 LC Yellow tail, BC

14.2 lb California Yellow Tail, WR 4 lb record 1983

80 lb Dorsbo, BC
Variety of King and Silver Salmon don’t recall weights.

I may be considered a expert fresh water bass angler using jigs but without a bench mark who knows?

Definitely can’t he considered expert  for any of the above species   Except LMB.

Tom

 

 

Impressive @WRB and Immediately makes me wish there was video of some these catches.

Both those Green Bass in particular

A-Jay

 

 

[roadwarrior]

25 minutes ago, A-Jay said:

A-Jay

Well sir, YOU are certainly in the same club.

 

[Hewhospeaksmuchbull]

10 hours ago, WRB said:

Golden Trout, 18” Kern River

Sweat, I've seen them but couldn't get them to bite.

 

Whats your largest spotted bay bass?

[WRB]

3 hours ago, Hewhospeaksmuchbull said:

Sweat, I've seen them but couldn't get them to bite.

 

Whats your largest spotted bay bass?

Never really targeted Spotted Bay bass while the boat at Balboa Islsnd. Mostly Calico bass at the Islands using bass tackle around boilers. 
8 lb Calico at San Clemente.

8 lb Sand Bass  San Diego 

biggest Spotted bay bass was at San Carlos BC while fueling the boat , estimate around 3 lbs, didn’t know they were that far south!

Black Sea bass, 300 lbs, Catalina 

White Sea bass 70 lbs Santa Barbra 
Tom
 

[TnRiver46]

I’m an expert at launching boats, paddling around, and making good casts. I’m also an expert watcher of water levels on the dozens of waterways in my area, which typically leads to decent results. The rest is a complicated matrix of variables that I don’t care to even attempt mastering, I just enjoy every second of every trip and try to be on the right water at the right time . 

[GReb]

I’m an expert at putting my hook in wooden objects

 

This subject makes me think of something I heard a pro angler talk about recently. In the past top pros were experts in certain techniques. They relied on that technique to work for success. Now days these top guys are not expert in any one technique. I believe it was Wheeler that said his goal was to be above average at every technique, depth, etc situation. Being an expert at adapting to your situation will get you a lot further in the long run. 
 

I was listening to Patrick Walters on Luke Dunkins podcast the other night. They were discussing panoptix and about how Rick Clunn even has it on his boat. So you have Clunn who I would consider the foremost expert at bass fishing and is also an expert at adapting to new technology and techniques. Thats what it takes to win Bassmaster trophies spanning 50 years

[Hewhospeaksmuchbull]

18 minutes ago, WRB said:

Black Sea bass, 300 lbs, Catalina 

White Sea bass 70 lbs Santa Barbra 

Wow, the black sea must have put a smile on your face.

White sea bass are awesome, cant think of a better tasting fish other than maybe sculpin.

 

As a young man I used to fish spotted bays at Carlsbad lagoon, scrounger with a hot pink curly tail grub. I miss catching them, they are kinda like the saltwater version of smallmouth. Beautiful and vicious fighters.

 

How about Roosters?

[WRB]

Black Sea bass are a protected species and must be released, only estimate weight. We used fresh Bonita and anchored along the deep walls at Silver Canyon Catalina island. The Black Sea bass pulls hard against line pressure the key is letting them pull away from the wall full of caves into deep water then fight them.

Rooster fish are interesting but poor eating. The Rooster fish gave long spiny dorsal fin that you see coming following you bait before they strike, good fighting fish we always released. Maybe 25 lbs, no big Roosters. We usually caught Roosters fishing for Sierra that good eating and fun to catch. Ounce in awhile you catch a big dog tooth snapper or cabrilla in BC fishing the surf areas. Magdalena bay was my favorite area because it has Snook, halibut, Yellowtail, snappers in the mangroves.

Outside of Mag bay is world class Marlin and tuna fishing.

Good memories.

Tom

[A-Jay]

I'm an expert at always believing the prevailing weather forecast and then 

being totally disgruntled when it's wicked wrong.

Every time.

A-Jay

 

[GaryH]

5 hours ago, J Francho said:

I don't know that I have any real "skills" that I can share.  It's more an intuition on waters I know.  I remember years ago being frustrated that I only had good days when fishing with an experienced angler, but when alone it was hit or miss - mostly the latter.  Somewhere along the way, after many, many days on the water that problem waned.  I still have tough days, but that keeps me coming back.

 

I hear ya... Sounds like my turkey hunting days from novice to guiding turkey hunts. I understand how you feel. After all the years of success and failure I still meet people that amaze me with there skills.

15 hours ago, WRB said:

Expert Angler;

I will start a list of PB fish caught.

Fresh water in no order.

FLMB 19.3 lbs, lake Castiac

NLMB  12.3 lbs, lake Casitas

Smallmouth bass 5 1/4 lbs, Height of Land.

Spotted bass 4 lbs , lake Perris

Stripe Bass, 34 lbs, Sacramento River 

Black Crappie. 3 lbs lake Havasu
Blue Gill, 2 lbs Big Bear lake

Red Ear sunfish, 2 1/4 lbs, lake Casitas

Chanel Catfish, 40 lbs, lake Casitas 

Blue Catfish, 11 lbs lake Castaic

Rainbow trout,10 1/4 lbs, Big Bear lake 

Brook trout, 2 lbs Willow lake

Brown trout, 14 lbs Pleasant was Valley  

Golden Trout, 18” Kern River
Walleye, 5 lbs, lake of the Woods,  

Pike, 17 lbs, lake of the Woods

Musky, 37 lbs, lake of the Woods

Lake trout, 16 lbs Crow lake

Salt water

750 lbs Blue Marlin,BC

350 lbs Black Marlin, B
280 lbs Stripe Marlin, BC

110 lbs White Marlin, BC

340 lbs Broadbill swordfish, Catalina

90 lb Short bill, BC
190 lb Sail Fish, BC

78 lb Wahoo BC

267 lb yellowfin tuna, San Diego

186 lb Big Eye tuna,.San Diego

197 lb Blue fin tuna, San Diego

56 lb Albacore tuna,Morow bay

66 LC Yellow tail, BC

14.2 lb California Yellow Tail, WR 4 lb record 1983

80 lb Dorsbo, BC
Variety of King and Silver Salmon don’t recall weights.

I may be considered a expert fresh water bass angler using jigs but without a bench mark who knows?

Definitely can’t he considered expert  for any of the above species   Except LMB.

Tom

 

 

WRB. That is some impressive numbers. One heck of a fishing career.

 

 

[TnRiver46]

34 minutes ago, A-Jay said:

I'm an expert at always believing the prevailing weather forecast and then 

being totally disgruntled when it's wicked wrong.

Every time.

A-Jay

 

You remind me of all my buddies, gluttons for punishment from the weatherman

[J Francho]

[A-Jay]

9 minutes ago, TnRiver46 said:

You remind me of all my buddies, gluttons for punishment from the weatherman

It's almost always the WIND Speed - 

I've learned to add at least 15 knots to any forecast.

Just to keep it real.

A-Jay

[Boomstick]

Well I can honestly say I am an expert at something bass fishing related, and I don't think many will argue. That is I am an expert at getting skunked.

[ryanerb]

I always look up to the experts, but when you're dealing with fish, which are out of your direct control, nothing is ever promised. We've all seen KVD and Clunn and other pros have very tough days. 

 

There are days when there are 1000 fish on the graph, you've thrown 1000 lures at em, and they still don't bite. Time to find another school that 'is' biting. 

 

Pros often have it tougher than guides. Guides hammer the same water everyday for 30 years. They know it like the back of their hand. Pros are constantly on the move, fishing many different lakes and sections of the USA which all fish differently. I'm not thrilled when a 'guide' wins a championship on his home lake. He's got the hand over 99% of the guys. I know in some circles guides aren't allowed to fish tourneys because they are such 'experts' on that lake, etc. However, this just happened at Clear Lake, CA. 

 

I still believe there are a lot of anglers that have mastered the sport, but it doesn't mean they can catch 30lb limits everyday. We are dealing with fish, a wild animal that we can't force to eat and know what mood they are in everyday, in and out.

 

Just my .02 cents, rambling on...

[WRB]

Interesting view point using 30lb 5 bass limit or 6 lb average as a bench mark!

I have been bass fishing over 60 years and caught 1 tournament 5 bass limit exceeding 30 lbs.  30 lb tournament limits are not common with a hand full every year, usually spawn or night events. 
Tom
 

[lynxcat]

Being an expert is highly relative. I’m an “expert” freshwater fisherman compared to the majority of society however I know nothing compared to a pro. I also fish the bank almost exclusively which is a different universe than large water from a boat. 

[soflabasser]

Another sign a person might be an expert in fishing is if they are consistent at catching nice fish year after year, decade after decade. Anyone can get lucky or fish in a place that is easy to catch nice fish but it takes a true expert to be able to be consistent in fishing in different locations. For example I know people who caught trophy bass several decades ago but have not been able to catch one in the last 10 years. These are people who bass fish often, so what changed? Maybe they only caught trophy bass since they where fishing honey holes and their honey holes dried up for them. You have to be able to adapt. Adapting is difficult but you have to do it. Past achievements are something to be proud of but you cannot live in the past, you have to live in the present especially if you want to continue catching nice sized fish.