Super User WRB Posted October 24, 2020 Super User Posted October 24, 2020 Cody Meyer 123.12 using #330 Senko Tom 3 Quote
Finessegenics Posted October 24, 2020 Posted October 24, 2020 How many packs do you guys think he went through? ? That's a lot of bass 1 Quote
Super User WRB Posted October 24, 2020 Author Super User Posted October 24, 2020 Just now, Finessegenics said: How many packs do you guys think he went through? ? That's a lot of bass 68 bass... 1 Quote
Finessegenics Posted October 24, 2020 Posted October 24, 2020 Just now, WRB said: 68 bass... The joke was about the senko's durability. It was in good fun, I think the senko is worth its cost. 1 Quote
BigAngus752 Posted October 24, 2020 Posted October 24, 2020 18 minutes ago, WRB said: 68 bass... Yum Dingers would have caught 70 bass at half the price....? 2 4 Quote
Super User Dwight Hottle Posted October 24, 2020 Super User Posted October 24, 2020 When the money is on the line the more expensive Senko delivers. Most copies are never as good as the original. 3 Quote
Super User Team9nine Posted October 24, 2020 Super User Posted October 24, 2020 On 10/24/2020 at 1:13 PM, BigAngus752 said: Yum Dingers would have caught 70 bass at half the price....? Zman ZinkerZ could have caught all 68 bass on a single bait, and would still be good for a few more bass in the 2nd round He could get through the entire tournament on a single pack 2 Quote
Super User FryDog62 Posted October 24, 2020 Super User Posted October 24, 2020 It was on Pokegama near Grand Rapids, MN... I also remember when Aaron Martens set the record 5 years or so ago at like 88 pounds... also on Pokegama, mostly drop-shotting. Lots of small-medium sized fish is where plastics/finesse can really shine at least for numbers in this part of the world. 1 Quote
BigAngus752 Posted October 24, 2020 Posted October 24, 2020 3 hours ago, Team9nine said: Zman ZinkerZ could have caught all 68 basss on a single bait, and would still be good for a few more bass in the 2nd round He could get through the entire tournament on a single pack Love the ZinkerZs!!! I make sure I never have less than 5 bags of Coppertreuse ZinkerZs at all times. 1 Quote
Super User MN Fisher Posted October 24, 2020 Super User Posted October 24, 2020 On 10/24/2020 at 4:05 PM, BigAngus752 said: Love the ZinkerZs!!! I make sure I never have less than 5 bags of Coppertreuse ZinkerZs at all times. Once I run out of my Senkos and Stik-Os - I've already committed myself to getting Zlinkys. Quote
Super User roadwarrior Posted October 24, 2020 Super User Posted October 24, 2020 Another tournament won fishing a Senko. So you think you should use something else? 2 Quote
Super User MN Fisher Posted October 24, 2020 Super User Posted October 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, roadwarrior said: Another tournament won fishing a Senko. So you think you should use something else? With the number of Senkos I've lost without fish...if I'm going to continue to fish stick-worms, I need something more in my budget $0.75 each for Senko $0.49 each for Zlinky Even if I catch 30% less fish per worm using Zlinkys, I still come out ahead in the monetary game. 1 Quote
Super User WRB Posted October 25, 2020 Author Super User Posted October 25, 2020 Choices, use the same worm all day or use what the bass want and catch them all day. Tom 6 Quote
Global Moderator 12poundbass Posted October 25, 2020 Global Moderator Posted October 25, 2020 3 hours ago, roadwarrior said: Another tournament won fishing a Senko. So you think you should use something else? I have successfully fought the urge to throw a Senko for two years now. It was my crutch for about 12 years. I would try other lures for a cast or two and quickly go back to the Senko. The only lure that got as much attention as the Senko was the Pad Crasher. Since giving up my addiction I’ve become successful in a few new to me presentations. The wife, she’s a Senko addict through and through, there’s no help for her. 1 1 Quote
Super User Columbia Craw Posted October 25, 2020 Super User Posted October 25, 2020 I anticipate color #330 will have a sales increase among MLF followers. Quote
Kyle S Posted October 25, 2020 Posted October 25, 2020 10 hours ago, 12poundbass said: I have successfully fought the urge to throw a Senko for two years now. It was my crutch for about 12 years. I would try other lures for a cast or two and quickly go back to the Senko. The only lure that got as much attention as the Senko was the Pad Crasher. Since giving up my addiction I’ve become successful in a few new to me presentations. The wife, she’s a Senko addict through and through, there’s no help for her. I second having the senko as a crutch for quite a while. For the past two years I've honestly gotten away from throwing it and like you, have become successful with various other lures. But...I've relapsed?♂️ I'm not strong @12poundbass A jig is what I want to feed the bass....but the bass want me to feed them senko's?♂️ to make matters even more basic and depressing...the only color I throw is #297 green pumpkin... 1 Quote
Super User MN Fisher Posted October 25, 2020 Super User Posted October 25, 2020 My question is - is there actual, quantifiable data showing that Senkos outperform other stickbaits to the degree that the added expense is balanced out? Example: Senkos are 47% more expensive than Zlinkys (at retail price per bait) - are they 47% more effective per bait in attracting/catching bass? Where's the data...the proof? Quote
Super User roadwarrior Posted October 25, 2020 Super User Posted October 25, 2020 Well, I have been fishing the Senko since 1996. During this period BassResource has had several sponsors with their version. I have fished every sponsor's "Senko" extensively. I am currently working with the Strike King Ocho. So far, on average, I would estimate the GYCB Senko outfishes the other brands 5:1. Quote
Super User MN Fisher Posted October 25, 2020 Super User Posted October 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, roadwarrior said: So far, on average, I would estimate the GYCB Senko outfishes the other brands 5:1. Is that a per-bait catch, or per-cast catch. If you catch a bass on a Senko once every three casts, but it only lasts two fish - that's $0.375/fish If you catch a bass on a Zlinky once every fifteen casts, but it lasts for three fish - there's your 5x more effective, but it's only $0.166/fish. More effective based on number of casts, but still over twice as expensive per fish. Being on such a tight budget, I'll take the more casts/less expensive route as I'm not trying to pull in numbers like fishing a tournament, I'm trying to catch on a budget. Quote
Global Moderator TnRiver46 Posted October 25, 2020 Global Moderator Posted October 25, 2020 1 hour ago, MN Fisher said: My question is - is there actual, quantifiable data showing that Senkos outperform other stickbaits to the degree that the added expense is balanced out? Example: Senkos are 47% more expensive than Zlinkys (at retail price per bait) - are they 47% more effective per bait in attracting/catching bass? Where's the data...the proof? There’s no proof/data of anything in fishing. Well there’s a lot out there but it’s all BS 1 Quote
Super User roadwarrior Posted October 25, 2020 Super User Posted October 25, 2020 10 minutes ago, TnRiver46 said: There’s no proof/data of anything in fishing. Well there’s a lot out there but it’s all BS I resemble that remark! 2 Quote
fissure_man Posted October 25, 2020 Posted October 25, 2020 3 hours ago, MN Fisher said: Is that a per-bait catch, or per-cast catch. If you catch a bass on a Senko once every three casts, but it only lasts two fish - that's $0.375/fish If you catch a bass on a Zlinky once every fifteen casts, but it lasts for three fish - there's your 5x more effective, but it's only $0.166/fish. More effective based on number of casts, but still over twice as expensive per fish. Being on such a tight budget, I'll take the more casts/less expensive route as I'm not trying to pull in numbers like fishing a tournament, I'm trying to catch on a budget. For arguments sake, you’d need 5 times as many fishing trips to catch the same total # of bass with the less effective lure, at that point would you be ahead on a total cost basis? Plastics are a small fraction of my overall fishing expenses; if I believed senkos were anywhere near 5x as effective (bass per cast) as other stickbaits I would not hesitate to shell out for them. If $/bass is really the only metric that matters, one would be better off to stay away from soft plastics entirely and just grab something like a $4 casting spoon, then fish it for the rest of their life. Quote
Super User Team9nine Posted October 25, 2020 Super User Posted October 25, 2020 Senkos are the “standard” to compare to when talking stick worms. I have seen numerous “lab tests” comparing things like mass, fall rate, gravimetric salt analysis, etc. people have carried out over the years comparing them to other similar brand baits. No idea though at what rate they catch bass when compared to other similar baits. I’m not certain you could create a valid study without a lot of time and effort. That said, I haven’t thrown one in 15+ years...not because they don’t work, but because they are built to be lost, by design - not on purpose, and I catch plenty of fish with similar type presentations at a much more cost effective rate. I fish a lot of wacky presentations with Zman baits (jig head, Neko, etc.) and average about 25 bass per bait with reclaims. I just stocked up again at Discounts $3.59/pkg sale, about half the price of a pk of Senkos. At 10 baits per package, that’s 250 bass, or about $0.014/bass (1.4 cents). If you add in Ned style presentations, the average catch rate goes up to over 50 bass per bait and brings the cost down to well under a penny per bass. That adds up considering I catch over 2,000 bass per year, and at least half of those fish are soft plastic “finesse” caught bass. If I was in a tournament and had money on the line, and could win money back, I’d certainly consider throwing Senkos in certain situations. Burning through $20 or $30 worth of baits to win hundreds or even thousands is a good gamble. But, from a recreational point of view, given the numbers of bass I already encounter, and being on a somewhat fixed income, I can’t justify the cost for my fishing situation. YMMV. 2 1 Quote
RichF Posted October 25, 2020 Posted October 25, 2020 Better question...how many of those Pokegama bass ended up croaking because all the senkos left by those jabronies. I couldn't stomach watching "the best in the world" all tossing senkos to spawning/post spawn bass in an un-pressured northern lake, so I never saw the new MLF record. I know I'll take some heat for this but, sheesh...You don't have to be the best to do what those guys did. And for all the fish care/conservation preaching MLF has done in promotion of their product, none of them seem to mind leaving hundreds of senkos in the lake and/or the basses' stomachs. 2 Quote
Super User roadwarrior Posted October 25, 2020 Super User Posted October 25, 2020 Why would you think hundreds of Senkos were left in the lake or bass stomachs? A few will be lost, but the number left in a bass would approach zero. And is there some reason the "best in the world" should not be fishing the #1 soft plastic? 1 Quote
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