2020 Tatula SV tw Take a look inside.

[waymont]

I received my 2020 Tatula SV tw in the 8.1:1 speed.   I took it out of the box, and it felt pretty dry on the gears but still smooth. I opened it up to take a look inside.

I found there was zero grease on the gears, and zero oil in the bearings. I put some grease on the gears, and light touches of oil on the bearings.

Twice as smooth afterwards, and it felt good before, now it feels fantastic. Just putting this out there for anyone who gets a new one. It's probably a good idea to check it out before you fish it. It's a super comfortable, smooth reel.

[GReb]

Mine had grease but was very a thin layer. After adding some lubrication it has performed flawlessly. 

[5by3]

Had the same experience with mine. Mine fished terribly right out of the box. Took it inside for some grease and oil and feels great now.

[Hook2Jaw]

I might need to crack mine open, though it's been great so far.

[Big Rick]

I was sure hoping there would be some pictures....

[Crackintubes]

Mine was very dry as well. Lubed her up and she's good to go. Very nice reel, better than previous gen IMO

2 hours ago, Big Rick said:

I was sure hoping there would be some pictures....

Here are some pics of the inside 

Main removed, soaking/cleaning it.

 

[NathanDLTH]

My Zillion 10 was practically bone dry when I got, same with a 2020 Tatula SV and Tatula SV

[DomQ]

Every daiwa I've ever opened other then the new zillion HD was bone dry!

[waymont]

2 hours ago, DomQ said:

Every daiwa I've ever opened other then the new zillion HD was bone dry!

I have three Tatula LT all great out of the box, and four Tatula SV tw, all had some grease but needed more.

[Boomstick]

I own three older Tatula SV reels. Both 6.3:1s are as smooth as any reel I've ever used but the 7.1:1 (or is it 7.3:1?) wasn't nearly as smooth for the same reason. I think they may have a small QC issue with greasing reels, but nothing that's difficult to fix.

 

I'll likely pick up a couple of 2020 models for next season to add some more versatility to my setup.

[Armtx77]

34 minutes ago, Boomstick said:

I own three older Tatula SV reels. Both 6.3:1s are as smooth as any reel I've ever used but the 7.1:1 (or is it 7.3:1?) wasn't nearly as smooth for the same reason. I think they may have a small QC issue with greasing reels, but nothing that's difficult to fix.

 

I'll likely pick up a couple of 2020 models for next season to add some more versatility to my setup.

TERRIBLE QC if it turns out to be a systemic issue and there are enough reports here to make one wonder.

 

The gear sets are not nearly as big an issue as the bearings. You will get all kinds of false brenelling from the lack of lube between the ring and rolling elements. Leading to shortened life spans.

 

Curious if any of the local reel guys who mess with these all the time, have noticed this as well?

[Crackintubes]

9 minutes ago, Armtx77 said:

TERRIBLE QC if it turns out to be a systemic issue and there are enough reports here to make one wonder.

 

The gear sets are not nearly as big an issue as the bearings. You will get all kinds of false brenelling from the lack of lube between the ring and rolling elements. Leading to shortened life spans.

 

Curious if any of the local reel guys who mess with these all the time, have noticed this as well?

I have noticed this as well on the tatula line. 

I wouldn't call them rough or bad, opposite in fact, however, a good clean and oil seems to help. 

That said, I spin the handle once when they are new out of the box, and immediately take them apart and do a clean, oil, and grease job, so can't say I've seen effects long-term. 

 

[Hammer 4]

This makes think I need to open up my Tatula 200 reels, if for no other reason to check the lube situation.

 

On edit: Opened em up and all is good. I had forgotten that I polished the spool shaft, and added oil..duh! 

[iabass8]

And to think I was mocked a year ago for bringing this to peoples attention that it’s going to be and will continue to be an issue with new Daiwa....weird.

[thunderblack]

Guys....I know this been mentioned hundreds of times but I'll say it one more time.....buy Shimano

[Boomstick]

11 hours ago, Armtx77 said:

TERRIBLE QC if it turns out to be a systemic issue and there are enough reports here to make one wonder.

I said small QC issue because it can be easily resolved, although I have few doubts it's systemic at this point. Terrible QC would mean you bought a brand new reel and it's no more useful than a glorified paper weight.

[GReb]

Daiwa advises that you run their reels on the dry side. They advise a very thin layer of grease on interior parts applied with a paintbrush and one small drop of oil per bearing. They say anything more is unnecessary.
 

Consistency is the issue I’ve seen with the 5 or 6 I’ve bought. One will come from the box perfectly lubricated and the next will have a tad less or more. I haven’t had a bone dry one yet though. 

[DomQ]

3 hours ago, iabass8 said:

And to think I was mocked a year ago for bringing this to peoples attention that it’s going to be and will continue to be an issue with new Daiwa....weird.

I remember your comment as well man!!

[Dens228]

I have all Tatula SV TW's and Elites, I really need to learn how to service them beyond the basic oiling.  I'm afraid of taking it apart and never getting it back together again.  

[waymont]

5 hours ago, thunderblack said:

Guys....I know this been mentioned hundreds of times but I'll say it one more time.....buy Shimano

I buy both, and both are excellent. I don't mind opening up a new reel, I do it anyway with every reel.

Of the 10 or so other Daiwa reels I have this is the only one that needed grease.

[looking45]

If it were me, since they offered to replace it, I'm sending it back. But, as mentioned, I would send it back right away, while they offer is there.

Look at it this way. Would you buy this rod if you noticed this damage? If yes, then keep the rod.

[J Francho]

5 hours ago, thunderblack said:

Guys....I know this been mentioned hundreds of times but I'll say it one more time.....buy Shimano

I can find three times as many threads that tell you to break those new Shimanos down and get the excessive grease out.  They generate far more complaints than Daiwa.  

 

On 9/30/2020 at 12:50 PM, Crackintubes said:

Mine was very dry as well. Lubed her up and she's good to go. Very nice reel, better than previous gen IMO

Here are some pics of the inside 

Main removed, soaking/cleaning it.

 

For what it's worth, those pictures show far more grease than I would ever use on my own reels.

[Crackintubes]

9 minutes ago, J Francho said:

I can find three times as many threads that tell you to break those new Shimanos down and get the excessive grease out.  They generate far more complaints than Daiwa.  

 

For what it's worth, those pictures show far more grease than I would ever use on my own reels.

For sure, this was pic before I had it all torn down to the frame and cleaned. 

The main gear wasn't really too bad, I'd say just enough. 

[waymont]

3 hours ago, looking45 said:

If it were me, since they offered to replace it, I'm sending it back. But, as mentioned, I would send it back right away, while they offer is there.

Look at it this way. Would you buy this rod if you noticed this damage? If yes, then keep the rod.

I think you posted in the wrong thread.

[looking45]

OOOPs, you're right. Sorry