Power pro

[Johnpenguin]

I’ve been in love with power pro since I started using it, but when I went to go pick some new line up I noticed some new packaging. The packaging looked cool so I thought they had made some beneficial changes to the line. I spooled up and headed for the water. After about 20 minutes I had three break offs at my connection knot(30lb braid to 14lb mono). I’ve never had that happen before. All my break offs happen at the lure knot. Could the new power pro be inferior to the old? Has anyone else experienced problems with the new power pro?

[islandbass]

That is not good. I’m pretty much in the same boat. It’s been a lonnnnng time since I bought braid and power pro is my go to. . The line I have is probably 10 years old but still good. Looking forward to the experiences of others who’ll be chiming in soon. 

[Johnpenguin]

24 minutes ago, islandbass said:

That is not good. I’m pretty much in the same boat. It’s been a lonnnnng time since I bought braid and power pro is my go to. . The line I have is probably 10 years old but still good. Looking forward to the experiences of others who’ll be chiming in soon. 

Ya kinda ticked. At the same time tho I could have just gotten a bad spool. I did get it from Walmart lol.

[FishTank]

I have used it over the years and never really had a bad batch but I have had issues with it getting twisted, an occasional break off, and the line digging in.  I only tend to use it for topwater now. 

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

I don’t see the mainline being the cause of leader connection failure.  

[shimanoangler]

7 minutes ago, Delaware Valley Tackle said:

I don’t see the mainline being the cause of leader connection failure.  

What do you see as the problem?  I'm just curious on your thoughts.   

[waymont]

If you're not used to tying knots with brand new braid, it could be your issue. Run the line through your fingers squeezing tightly about 20 times to remove the new vibe from the line. Knots will hold better.

[JustJames]

So which line that broke off, braid or leader? Which connection knot you were using?

[Johnpenguin]

4 hours ago, Bass_Fishing_Socal said:

So which line that broke off, braid or leader? Which connection knot you were using?

It looked like the braid broke and I was using a blood knot.

5 hours ago, waymont said:

If you're not used to tying knots with brand new braid, it could be your issue. Run the line through your fingers squeezing tightly about 20 times to remove the new vibe from the line. Knots will hold better.

Interesting 

[MickD]

Braid breaking or slipping?  Do some testing off the water, singe the end of the braid so you can better tell if it's breaking or slipping , although a break should look a lot less clean than a cut you would make when finishing the knot.  Leaving a long tag end helps to figure out what's going on , too.  Be sure to test wet.  

 

I have never encountered a "bad" spool of line except the old Vanish, and that wasn't a "bad" spool, it was typical of Vanish.

 

I believe if one ties the top few knots correctly it doesn't matter whether the braid is new or old, or which brand.  The biggest mistake I used to make was not setting the knot really hard before using it.  If FG, there are a lot of ways to screw it up.  If Alberto, pull the tag end of the braid to snug up and close the leader loop, then set the knot using the mainline and main leader, then pull the leader tag end harder, then final set very hard using the main lines again.  All wet.

 

 

[Johnpenguin]

1 hour ago, MickD said:

Braid breaking or slipping?  Do some testing off the water, singe the end of the braid so you can better tell if it's breaking or slipping , although a break should look a lot less clean than a cut you would make when finishing the knot.  Leaving a long tag end helps to figure out what's going on , too.  Be sure to test wet.  

 

I have never encountered a "bad" spool of line except the old Vanish, and that wasn't a "bad" spool, it was typical of Vanish.

 

I believe if one ties the top few knots correctly it doesn't matter whether the braid is new or old, or which brand.  The biggest mistake I used to make was not setting the knot really hard before using it.  If FG, there are a lot of ways to screw it up.  If Alberto, pull the tag end of the braid to snug up and close the leader loop, then set the knot using the mainline and main leader, then pull the leader tag end harder, then final set very hard using the main lines again.  All wet.

 

 

I tied a blood knot and it didn’t slip. 

[r83srock]

I would check your knot off the water as well. This is one reason I’m getting away from leader knots. Either using straight braid, mono, or flouro depending on the situation.

 

Years ago when power pro became popular, there was counterfeit line being sold, and it was tough to distinguish the difference. I’m sure i purchased some as I had break off issues. I haven’t had a problem with power pro in over 10 years now. I think there is a reason power pro changes their packaging periodically, aside from marketing.

[dodgeguy]

You said you broke at the lure knot. That would be the leader breaking.

[Double__Digits]

I had a similar issue with a new spool of PP last year.

I suspect the braid has slipped. New braid is substantially slicker than worn in braid.

I've had the same problem when using a clinch knot (which is essentially 1/2 of a blood knot)  with 30lb braid cat fishing. Lost several cats thanks to knot slippage

I eliminated knot slippage by switching to an improved clinch or Palomar.

Interestingly, when braid pulls loose it doesn't stay coiled like mono or flouro it looks like a clean brake.

 

 

For tying on leaders I use an Alberto knot. No issue with slippage or weird brakes.

[JustJames]

1 hour ago, Johnpenguin said:

I tied a blood knot and it didn’t slip. 

Blood knot is not good for braid to mono leader. It has a lot more potential to slip unless you do 10-15 wraps. Try other knot, easiest one of the bunch is double uni knot. 
Another thing is your leader 14lb mono is a little too big to clinch tight on tiny braid. Might as well try Crazy Alberto knot.

 

[king fisher]

I would take the line you are using both braid and leader, and tie your knot.  Get a scale, pull until the line breaks.  Repeat many times, record the lbs. it breaks at and notice where the break occurs.  If it consistently breaks on the braid just above the knot it is because the line slips a fraction of a millimeter before breaking. Cutting into itself and creating heat which causes the break.  A few extra wraps may solve the problem, or try another knot.  I'm not a big fan of the blood knot with braid, but many people that are far better fishermen than I am will disagree, including the Tacticalbassn buys.  Only way to find out for yourself is test you knot.  With 30#braid even a 50% knot should not be the weak point with 14# leader.  Tied correctly almost any popular braid to leader knot will be over 50% strength. 

[islandbass]

See if you can duplicate the break and try to see if it is truly the braid or the mono that is breaking. I’m hoping it’s the mono and not the power pro.

 

This happened to me about two weeks ago. I was joining two lines, yozuri hybrid to mono that was already on my spool, both 6# test.  
 

I used my trusty Albright knot. As I did the final cinching it broke. I didn’t think much of it because perhaps I did it too sloppily as I was in a rush. Try number two same result. I thought user error again. Third time, same result. 
 

Now I was thinking something is really wrong and it is probably not me. I started look at the breaks. I should have paid more attention earlier because each and every break occurred on the mono, and the knot was actually intact. Woh!

 

I did it a fourth time and voila, the mono broke again. Somehow the mono went bad. It was probably a year old. 
 

I took it all off and spoiled the yozuri 100%.
 

I mention this just in case you might not have observed where the break occurred. It was the mono in my case and hopefully in yours because if it’s the power pro, you could return it. 

[Johnpenguin]

For anyone wondering I did a few tests at home. With the blood, uni to uni, and Alberto The connection knot was breaking on the braid side. This was 14lb mono to 30lb power pro. I’m convinced now that I got a bad batch of power pro. Upsetting.

[OnthePotomac]

Another vote here for a double uni and end of problem.

[MN Fisher]

2 minutes ago, OnthePotomac said:

Another vote here for a double uni and end of problem.

Whether it's Power Pro or Sufix 832 - the only knot I use for main-line to leader is the double-uni.

[JustJames]

1 hour ago, Johnpenguin said:

For anyone wondering I did a few tests at home. With the blood, uni to uni, and Alberto The connection knot was breaking on the braid side. This was 14lb mono to 30lb power pro. I’m convinced now that I got a bad batch of power pro. Upsetting.

I’m not sure how did you do it or that line might be pretty, very, super bad to be able to pull and broke off that easily. I can’t even do it with my 8-10lb braid. 
I’m still convinced that braid slip and not broken off or poor knot tied. Do you see a piece of braid knot on the leader side? Is it clear cut or frayed off on the braid where it broke off? You can try again, this time with some marking pen at the end of both lines after trimming. Take picture of both end of you can and post here, please.

Another way to test your braid, cut a 24” section,20 wraps each end on wood dowel or screw driver handle, now you can pull and see if you can brake the line without knot.

[tcbass]

Wonder if you got a bad batch or counterfeit?

 

 

I bought Power Pro 12 years ago when I started bass fishing, spooled all my reels with it......stuff is still going strong.

[gim]

51 minutes ago, MN Fisher said:

Whether it's Power Pro or Sufix 832

These are basically the only two types of braid I use. I used to use power pro exclusively but I tried suffix 832 one time when the power pro was gone and had good results with it.

 

i think it is possible to on rare occasion to get a bad batch of line or a lure with a manufacturing default, etc.

[MickD]

7 hours ago, Julian Davidson said:

braid pulls loose it doesn't stay coiled like mono or flouro it looks like a clean brake.

If it pulls loose it would still retain the clean cut you made when you cut the tag off.  If it breaks it will not look like a clean cut.  So a slipped knot will have a clean end; a break will have lots of micro fibers loose.

[Johnpenguin]

3 hours ago, Bass_Fishing_Socal said:

I’m not sure how did you do it or that line might be pretty, very, super bad to be able to pull and broke off that easily. I can’t even do it with my 8-10lb braid. 
I’m still convinced that braid slip and not broken off or poor knot tied. Do you see a piece of braid knot on the leader side? Is it clear cut or frayed off on the braid where it broke off? You can try again, this time with some marking pen at the end of both lines after trimming. Take picture of both end of you can and post here, please.

Another way to test your braid, cut a 24” section,20 wraps each end on wood dowel or screw driver handle, now you can pull and see if you can brake the line without knot.

For the blood and Alberto the braid broke at the knot with braid still in it