Set up for weightless Senko's?

[kayaking_kev]

I don't have the patience for weightless, so I always have to throw a nail weight in my 5" worm, but it's probably my #1 go to bait. I use a Dobyns Xtasy 723c for my Neko Rigs, 7'2 MH/F with a nice soft tip.

[QUAKEnSHAKE]

Favorite spinning rod to use with wacky senko St Croix Avid 8' medium light moderate, line 8# nanofil.

[Tatsu Dave]

9 hours ago, Dens228 said:

The thing for me is, being in a kayak, when I'm fishing a wacky rig I only need to cast it  between 10 and 20 feet so distance is not an issue.  

Yea my post was to assure the OP that weightless senkos would cast fine which seemed to be his question. You will become quite accurate with the spinning rig simply using it with some time. If you hate it and want to get rid of that Dobyns rod however.....PM me

[galyonj]

7 hours ago, kayaking_kev said:

I don't have the patience for weightless, so I always have to throw a nail weight in my 5" worm, but it's probably my #1 go to bait. I use a Dobyns Xtasy 723c for my Neko Rigs, 7'2 MH/F with a nice soft tip.

Corollary to this, I guess: I am far more successful with (for example) wacky rigs when I use a weighted hook. A 16th ounce to give it a little more juice on the fall has got me bit like 3:1 over weightless lately.

[Tatsu Dave]

1 hour ago, galyonj said:

Corollary to this, I guess: I am far more successful with (for example) wacky rigs when I use a weighted hook. A 16th ounce to give it a little more juice on the fall has got me bit like 3:1 over weightless lately.

Wacky rigs always seem to work best with a light weight 1/16-1/8 oz on the fall and each time you lift it and let it drop back. When a wacky rig is working theres very little else quite like it. 

[Dens228]

4 hours ago, Tatsu Dave said:

Yea my post was to assure the OP that weightless senkos would cast fine which seemed to be his question. You will become quite accurate with the spinning rig simply using it with some time. If you hate it and want to get rid of that Dobyns rod however.....PM me

I purposely went with that and a fairly expensive spinning reel to force myself to use it.  LOL   I'll get the hang of it but will always prefer my baitcasters!

[roadwarrior]

1 hour ago, Dens228 said:

I purposely went with that and a fairly expensive spinning reel to force myself to use it.  LOL   I'll get the hang of it but will always prefer my baitcasters!

Maybe not...

 

[kayaking_kev]

5 hours ago, galyonj said:

Corollary to this, I guess: I am far more successful with (for example) wacky rigs when I use a weighted hook. A 16th ounce to give it a little more juice on the fall has got me bit like 3:1 over weightless lately.

I had to look that word up ?, but yeah I only use a 3/32 nail weight in my 5" worm. I get the Eagle Claw nail weights from Walmart for .88 cents for a pack of 8 and always grab a bunch when they have them in stock.

[GetFishorDieTryin]

On ‎9‎/‎17‎/‎2020 at 3:55 PM, Tatsu Dave said:

I just got done an evaluation of weightless stick baits on M/F spinning set-ups with finesse reels. Weighed all 5 brands of stickbaits I use along with weightless 3/0 EWG hooks. stickbaits went from 8.5gr. to 11.4gr. Hook and screwloc added just over 1gr. with 6 1/2ft-7ft. M/F rods casts were 30-35 yds.....then with guide and spool sprayed with KVD conditioner distance jumped to 40-43yds. Rattlesnake stickbaits with deep rings on them lost 5-7yds on average. Lure weight averaged about 3/16oz and line was .010 dia. 10# tatsu flurocarbon line. Pretty much windless however into the wind and with the wind would add or detract some. I was surprised at the distance with an unweighted plastic bait myself. Its my most fished lure and I was interested in weight and casting distance, with my digital scales it was pretty easy. Senko's were the second heaviest behind ocho's then followed by tricksticks ,dingers, and last was XZone true centers.

Was the test done with T rigged or wacky rigged stick baits?  With the right rod you can really bomb a 4" or 5" senko.  I got a Penn Prion Combo for Christmas when I was a kid.  That 7' Prion was the best weightless senko rod I've ever used.  Had the perfect balance of tip and back bone.  The Penn could nearly double the casting distance of my St Croix...The GB Snake Os cast a little better then the Rattle Snakes, but the Rattle Snakes are dynamite wacky rigged.   

[GetFishorDieTryin]

7 hours ago, Tatsu Dave said:

Wacky rigs always seem to work best with a light weight 1/16-1/8 oz on the fall and each time you lift it and let it drop back.

The majority of the time I like a 1/32 or 3/64 because most the lakes are shallow around here.  A couple years I went fishing with my buddy on his boat and had forgotten to put the lighter Owner Wacky heads in the little tackle bag I had brought.  I had a couple 3/16 so I gave em a shot and did really well.  I think the faster fall made the react.

[Tizi]

I throw a weightless Texas rigged senko on MH/F 6'10" rod with 10 lb flouro.  For whacky rigging, I am usually skipping docks and use a MF 7' rod with 10 lb flouro.

[Tatsu Dave]

1 hour ago, Rusty_Shackleford said:

Was the test done with T rigged or wacky rigged stick baits?  With the right rod you can really bomb a 4" or 5" senko.  I got a Penn Prion Combo for Christmas when I was a kid.  That 7' Prion was the best weightless senko rod I've ever used.  Had the perfect balance of tip and back bone.  The Penn could nearly double the casting distance of my St Croix...The GB Snake Os cast a little better then the Rattle Snakes, but the Rattle Snakes are dynamite wacky rigged.   

The evaluation was done with T-rigged weightless. Got snake O's and yes being half stickbait lets them cast similar to a normal stickbait but straight rattlesnakes not as well. Never used rattlesnakes wacky rigged, something I must try. 

[GetFishorDieTryin]

4 hours ago, Tatsu Dave said:

Never used rattlesnakes wacky rigged, something I must try.

Rattlesnakes are good rigged any way you can think of, but they excel on a wacky and neko/chicken rig.  If you like to use 2 O rings so you can have the hook perpendicular to the worm for a better hook-up ratio the rattlesnakes can be a bit tricky at first, but its well worth the effort.   

[ChrisD46]

On 9/17/2020 at 11:27 AM, Happybeerbuzz said:

Medium Power, 7' spinning rod, 15# yellow braid to an 8 or 10 pound mono leader.  I can not skip a baitcaster.  

^^This^^ !   The same set up would also double as a good shaky head rig - you could also use a FC leader or Co-Poly leader in #8 lb. to #10 lb. line sizes .