I have a Shimano Nasci 2500, love the reel but I am constantly running out of spool

[Ohioguy25]

I fish a small river and get hung up a fair amount and am forced to cut my line. It seems like I am running out of spool about once every few weeks. Is this really unusual? If so what am I doing wrong, or is that just the nature of river fishing? I am considering upgrading to a reel w more line capacity but I don’t want to overdo it. I use 8 lb Trilene XL.  Any recommendations?

[jimmyjoe]

   First: what size and brand line are you using?

   Next: You said you get hung up a fair amount. Sure, you're going to go through line. You sort of answered your own question there.    

   Third: Why not use a good braid with a weaker leader? That way you pull on the line and the leader breaks; all you do is replace the leader. That's why I asked what line you were using now.

 

   jj

[Ohioguy25]

6 hours ago, jimmyjoe said:

   First: what size and brand line are you using?

   Next: You said you get hung up a fair amount. Sure, you're going to go through line. You sort of answered your own question there.    

   Third: Why not use a good braid with a weaker leader? That way you pull on the line and the leader breaks; all you do is replace the leader. That's why I asked what line you were using now.

 

   jj

8 lb mono trilene XL

[JustJames]

“Forced to cut line” so you cut line from spool every time you snag? 

[Scott F]

When you get hung up and cut your line, where are you cutting it? So you try to cut it as close to the lure as possible? Do you pull on the line to let it break at the knot?

[jimmyjoe]

    Needing to re-fill your reel every few weeks with line because you get hung up a fair amount doesn't sound unreasonable, especially with 8 lb. line (Trilene XL is ten mil or .010" line).

   Shimano lists the capacity of the 2500 size spool as 140 yards, but they don't say what the diameter is that 140 yards of line is. Personally, I doubt their figures. I have a NASCI 1000, which is advertised as 140 yards of 4 lb. mono, and I can't get 140 yards of .008" line on it.

   If you cut line rather than pull until the knot breaks, you're reducing your capacity by leaps and bounds. If you also have less than 140 yards capacity, which I think is the case, then you're going to notice a reduction in line faster than you would otherwise expect.

   It looks like what you're experiencing is totally understandable and normal. It's right in line with what I've experienced with my 1000-size NASCI.

 

   The best things you can do are find a way to hang up less, or change to using braid with a weaker leader.                jj

[Ohioguy25]

5 hours ago, jimmyjoe said:

    Needing to re-fill your reel every few weeks with line because you get hung up a fair amount doesn't sound unreasonable, especially with 8 lb. line (Trilene XL is ten mil or .010" line).

   Shimano lists the capacity of the 2500 size spool as 140 yards, but they don't say what the diameter is that 140 yards of line is. Personally, I doubt their figures. I have a NASCI 1000, which is advertised as 140 yards of 4 lb. mono, and I can't get 140 yards of .008" line on it.

   If you cut line rather than pull until the knot breaks, you're reducing your capacity by leaps and bounds. If you also have less than 140 yards capacity, which I think is the case, then you're going to notice a reduction in line faster than you would otherwise expect.

   It looks like what you're experiencing is totally understandable and normal. It's right in line with what I've experienced with my 1000-size NASCI.

 

   The best things you can do are find a way to hang up less, or change to using braid with a weaker leader.                jj

You wouldn’t get a bigger version of the same reel? They make a 3000 w 30 yards more capacity.

[jimmyjoe]

33 minutes ago, Ohioguy25 said:

You wouldn’t get a bigger version of the same reel? They make a 3000 w 30 yards more capacity.

 

   The 2500/3000 spool size relationship is not exactly what it seems with Shimano. What determines casting distance (as long as you're talking about the same line and rod) is spool lip diameter, which is the same between the 2500 and 3000 size spools in the NASCI. So yes, the 3000 will  hold more line, but the extra capacity won't be operationally available for the same casting distance as the first 75 or 80 yards. It's buried down in the line lay, due to a smaller-diameter arbor.

   I got that information, BTW, off older specs from Shimano, from TW, and from sites like this:  https://saltedangler.com/spinning-reels/shimano-nasci-reel-review/

   There has been noise around that the relationship between the 2500 and 3000 size reels has changed. I don't know whether this is true or not. Whether the change involves a different spool size or not is unclear. Some sites list different weights, and some do not. It's confusing, to be sure.

   One thing I do know is that Shimano makes slightly different models with slightly different specs for different parts of the world. With the internet making purchase from anywhere in the world a rather easy thing to do, I wonder whether some of the comments about changes in the NASCI lineup didn't involve some of these reels aimed at other markets.

   Because you said that you fish rivers, I assumed (I know ... I should never assume) that casting distance was important to you. If you can examine a 3000 model, and if it has a larger diameter spool lip, and if the weight seems OK, then I'd say go for it.

   Otherwise, my advice (to go to braid with a leader) still stands. It's not a perfect arrangement, but I think it will be a lot better than what you've got now.

 

   Good luck!     jj

[Teal]

The key problem here is getting hung up

[Ohioguy25]

1 hour ago, jimmyjoe said:

 

   The 2500/3000 spool size relationship is not exactly what it seems with Shimano. What determines casting distance (as long as you're talking about the same line and rod) is spool lip diameter, which is the same between the 2500 and 3000 size spools in the NASCI. So yes, the 3000 will  hold more line, but the extra capacity won't be operationally available for the same casting distance as the first 75 or 80 yards. It's buried down in the line lay, due to a smaller-diameter arbor.

   I got that information, BTW, off older specs from Shimano, from TW, and from sites like this:  https://saltedangler.com/spinning-reels/shimano-nasci-reel-review/

   There has been noise around that the relationship between the 2500 and 3000 size reels has changed. I don't know whether this is true or not. Whether the change involves a different spool size or not is unclear. Some sites list different weights, and some do not. It's confusing, to be sure.

   One thing I do know is that Shimano makes slightly different models with slightly different specs for different parts of the world. With the internet making purchase from anywhere in the world a rather easy thing to do, I wonder whether some of the comments about changes in the NASCI lineup didn't involve some of these reels aimed at other markets.

   Because you said that you fish rivers, I assumed (I know ... I should never assume) that casting distance was important to you. If you can examine a 3000 model, and if it has a larger diameter spool lip, and if the weight seems OK, then I'd say go for it.

   Otherwise, my advice (to go to braid with a leader) still stands. It's not a perfect arrangement, but I think it will be a lot better than what you've got now.

 

   Good luck!     jj

Wow that’s a wealth of information, thanks! I’m not sure casting distance is really that important to me, I’m mostly concerned with no having to get my reel respooled every other week. Will the 3000 make much of a difference in this with the extra 30 yard capacity, or would I have to jump to the 4000 to see any noticeable difference? If so, is the 4000 too big for what I’m doing?

[LCG]

Braid to leader will solve the line issue. Practicing accurate casting to not get caught up in anything. And use smaller weights maybe will help. 

[JustJames]

Changing spool size to add more line capacity not gonna help you for long, may be a few more hang ups and you would be looking for new line again. Changing to less snag type lure, learn how to brake line off from snag and not hitting yourself in the face, smaller leader, trilene XL 8lb is not hard to brake off anyway. Leaving a lot of line in water is not a good thing, birds or other fish can get into those tangle, other fishermen or even yourself can get even more snag from those line.

[jimmyjoe]

   If you cut rather than use a leader, I believe the 3000 won't show you a great deal of difference. A little, yes. But not a lot.

   You know that you can use leaders with mono line, right? Test two mono lines for strength, and choose one that is slightly weaker for your leader. This isn't done a lot, but still, there are some people who do it. I used to be one of them, because I used to fish the river (Mississippi) anywhere from 90 to 100% of the time, and there were places that I'd get hung up quite regularly. I kept fishing them, though, because that's where the fish were. But that was 25-30 years ago. I'm a lot older and (a little bit) wiser now.    ???

   And yes, I would think that the 4000 size would be too cumbersome. If you can find one on display, though, you might give it a heft and see whether you like it or not.      jj

[garroyo130]

Wrap your shirt around your hand then wrap the line around that and take a couple of steps back. The line should break at the knot with minimal line loss.