Casting Reel for Dobyns 806CB (Deep Cranks)

[CC268]

Hey guys,

 

Planning to pick up a Dobyns 806CB for deep crankbaits and need to figure out a good reel for it. Under $200. I really like the Shimano SLX XT reels. What ratio should I be looking for?

 

Any recommendations?

 

Thanks!

[Big Hands]

Some deep cranks need a higher rate of retrieve to get down as deep as possible, others not so much.

 

If you really want the slower retrieve speed, the ABU Garcia REVO Winch Low Profile reels are available.

[CC268]

18 minutes ago, Big Hands said:

Some deep cranks need a higher rate of retrieve to get down as deep as possible, others not so much.

 

If you really want the slower retrieve speed, the ABU Garcia REVO Winch Low Profile reels are available.

Oh alright I just automatically assumed you’d want a 5 ratio reel. So your saying a 6 ratio reel would work better? Updated my post to add that question as well

[Big Hands]

13 minutes ago, CC268 said:

Oh alright I just automatically assumed you’d want a 5 ratio reel. So your saying a 6 ratio reel would work better?

Not necessarily. It truly depends on the lures you are using, the line you're using, and how deep you need to go to get to the fish you're targeting.

 

It's hard to find smaller profile deep diving crankbaits that will get below 20 feet, and you may have to grind HARD to get them down there. But the rewards can be great if you do. Larger profile deep divers go deep but they may not be what the fish want, and some of them have a lot of resistance which makes throwing them for a long time hard on the angler.

 

Things get more complicated as you try to get below 15 to 17 feet. If you're not trying to get below 15 feet, then the winch would probably be good. JMHO.

[Chris at Tech]

Whichever reel you choose, I’d suggest a deep spool/high capacity model.  You’ll be chucking that plug a long way so you’ll want to make sure you still have a good bit of line left on the spool after the cast or your IPT will really suffer.

 

Daiwa Tatula 150 and 200 may be worth a look

[CC268]

3 hours ago, Big Hands said:

Not necessarily. It truly depends on the lures you are using, the line you're using, and how deep you need to go to get to the fish you're targeting.

 

It's hard to find smaller profile deep diving crankbaits that will get below 20 feet, and you may have to grind HARD to get them down there. But the rewards can be great if you do. Larger profile deep divers go deep but they may not be what the fish want, and some of them have a lot of resistance which makes throwing them for a long time hard on the angler.

 

Things get more complicated as you try to get below 15 to 17 feet. If you're not trying to get below 15 feet, then the winch would probably be good. JMHO.

I mean I plan to use 10XDs on the rod so that would be a bit pointless to not have something that will go below 15 feet...I’m open to suggestion I just really don’t know as I have never thrown deep diving cranks like the 10XD. 

2 hours ago, Chris at Tech said:

Whichever reel you choose, I’d suggest a deep spool/high capacity model.  You’ll be chucking that plug a long way so you’ll want to make sure you still have a good bit of line left on the spool after the cast or your IPT will really suffer.

 

Daiwa Tatula 150 and 200 may be worth a look

Thanks I will take a look. Good point on the high capacity reel - I will definitely go with a 200.

[jimmyjoe]

Here are some points for your consideration. They're worth exactly what you paid for them.

 

   1) Deep cranking is hard on a reel. It's hard on the pinion gear, especially. So if you use a 150-size reel, you'll start out having good luck. After a while, you'll start to have wear-and-stress-related problems. A 200-size reel reduces these problems, and a 300-size even more so. I think that's the point @Chris at Tech was trying to make.

   2) Deep cranking is hard on you, the fisherman, too. The thicker gears of larger reels, their greater circumference, and the longer handles all add up to greater comfort for the fisherman.

   3) Any larger-spool reel will give the fisherman a wider choice of lines than a smaller-spool reel. It makes no difference which line you choose right now; you may decide to change very quickly, for whatever reason. Larger diameter, stiffer bodied lines feed off a larger spool much, much better.

   4) Chris's point regarding IPT is also well-taken. If a fish hits when your lure is way out there, you really need to take up line fast. Smaller spools can do that with higher retrieve ratios, but then you're back at the stress-related problems again. Larger spools do it better in the long run. No free lunch.

 

   Hope this helps you.    jj

[Chris at Tech]

@jimmyjoe - you said it better.

[jimmyjoe]

On 8/21/2020 at 4:33 PM, Chris at Tech said:

@jimmyjoe - you said it better.

   Thank you.   jj

[CC268]

2 hours ago, jimmyjoe said:

Here are some points for your consideration. They're worth exactly what you paid for them.

 

   1) Deep cranking is hard on a reel. It's hard on the pinion gear, especially. So if you use a 150-size reel, you'll start out having good luck. After a while, you'll start to have wear-and-stress-related problems. A 200-size reel reduces these problems, and a 300-size even more so. I think that's the point @Chris at Tech was trying to make.

   2) Deep cranking is hard on you, the fisherman, too. The thicker gears of larger reels, their greater circumference, and the longer handles all add up to greater comfort for the fisherman.

   3) Any larger-spool reel will give the fisherman a wider choice of lines than a smaller-spool reel. It makes no difference which line you choose right now; you may decide to change very quickly, for whatever reason. Larger diameter, stiffer bodied lines feed off a larger spool much, much better.

   4) Chris's point regarding IPT is also well-taken. If a fish hits when your lure is way out there, you really need to take up line fast. Smaller spools can do that with higher retrieve ratios, but then you're back at the stress-related problems again. Larger spools do it better in the long run. No free lunch.

 

   Hope this helps you.    jj

Thanks I appreciate the feedback. There are so many options out there it’s a bit overwhelming. Do you have any specific suggestions? 

[jimmyjoe]

2 hours ago, CC268 said:

Do you have any specific suggestions? 

 

   No, I don't, and for a very good reason. What appeals to me may not appeal to you at all. The Revo Winch and the larger Tatula reels have been mentioned, and most people would agree that they're good choices. If you tolerate the old round-style reels, then the ABU and Shimano Cardiff or Calcutta reels are good. Any 200-size low profile reel is workable if it's in a slower gear ratio. I have a Shimano Curado 200i PG (Power Gear) in 5.5:1, and it's quite good. I believe you can get pinion/drive gear sets from The Tackle Trap for reasonable money, and change any Curado 200i or Citica 200i into the PG (Power Gear) model rather easily.

   I hope this helps. From here on in, it's up to you.  Good luck!     jj

[CC268]

9 hours ago, jimmyjoe said:

 

   No, I don't, and for a very good reason. What appeals to me may not appeal to you at all. The Revo Winch and the larger Tatula reels have been mentioned, and most people would agree that they're good choices. If you tolerate the old round-style reels, then the ABU and Shimano Cardiff or Calcutta reels are good. Any 200-size low profile reel is workable if it's in a slower gear ratio. I have a Shimano Curado 200i PG (Power Gear) in 5.5:1, and it's quite good. I believe you can get pinion/drive gear sets from The Tackle Trap for reasonable money, and change any Curado 200i or Citica 200i into the PG (Power Gear) model rather easily.

   I hope this helps. From here on in, it's up to you.  Good luck!     jj

Thanks ??

[Shimano_1]

Id personally go with a curado k in the 6 ratio. The slx reels are nice but I have a couple and they just dont feel as refined under a load as the curados.  Also don't think they'll hold up to that kind of stress like the curado. I use the slx reels for lighter techniques.  The curado also holds more line which I prefer for deep cranking. 

[Tizi]

I have the Tatula 150 in 5 gear ratio, really nice cranking reel.  I do a lot of deep crankbaiting and it is comfortable to use all day long - casting n crank.

[Chris at Tech]

But @jimmyjoe, @Shimano_1 - from the points above, will the 200 size Shimano's have the needed line capacity?  The specs I see indicate ~110 yards of 14 lb test, and I would think throwing 3/4 oz + deep divers on an 8 ft rod you come -awfully close to spooling that thing.

[CC268]

Having a hard time finding the Daiwa Tatula 200 in a 5 ratio reel. Maybe the Abu Garcia Winch would be better. I should also mention I need a left handed reel. Looks like the Tatula 200 does come in 5 ratio (although I can’t find any) but only in right handed...

[Chris at Tech]

42 minutes ago, CC268 said:

Having a hard time finding the Daiwa Tatula 200 in a 5 ratio reel. Maybe the Abu Garcia Winch would be better. I should also mention I need a left handed reel. Looks like the Tatula 200 does come in 5 ratio (although I can’t find any) but only in right handed...

FWIW - the 6 ratio Tatula 150 and 200s have plenty of power so deep cranks are not likely to be an issue

[CC268]

26 minutes ago, Chris at Tech said:

FWIW - the 6 ratio Tatula 150 and 200s have plenty of power so deep cranks are not likely to be an issue

Gotcha ?? Any Shimano reels that would have enough power? I know someone said the Shimano SLX XT series wouldn’t cut it 

[ATA]

5 minutes ago, CC268 said:

Gotcha ?? Any Shimano reels that would have enough power? I know someone said the Shimano SLX XT series wouldn’t cut it 

Go with Trax 300 or 200 if you wish smaller profile.

[jimmyjoe]

21 hours ago, Chris at Tech said:

But @jimmyjoe, @Shimano_1 - from the points above, will the 200 size Shimano's have the needed line capacity?  The specs I see indicate ~110 yards of 14 lb test, and I would think throwing 3/4 oz + deep divers on an 8 ft rod you come -awfully close to spooling that thing.

 

   I believe the line capacity will be OK. Perhaps marginal, but still OK, because there's no indication of which line the OP likes to use. Crankers usually (not always) use the thinnest line that will support their lure weight, so as to get maximum depth at a given retrieve speed. There is also no indication as to whether the OP wishes to us nylon or fluorocarbon line, which may make some difference.

   The OP has also not indicated whether or not he wants to consider using braid. I personally wouldn't consider using braid on cranks, but some people do. That would reduce the size requirement of the reel, although the quality of the gears and size of the handle would become very important.

   All in all, there are a lot of good choices here.        jj

[garroyo130]

On 8/22/2020 at 7:23 AM, Shimano_1 said:

Id personally go with a curado k in the 6 ratio. The slx reels are nice but I have a couple and they just dont feel as refined under a load as the curados.  Also don't think they'll hold up to that kind of stress like the curado. I use the slx reels for lighter techniques.  The curado also holds more line which I prefer for deep cranking. 

This is what I use and its worked great, however i dont thrown anything deeper than 22' or so. 

 

Am I the only one confused by the "makes it easier on the fisherman" argument?

 

 In my experience the palming hand fights the baits pull more than the cranking hand. It could be I just haven't fished anything that pulls hard enough to feel it on my cranking hand. 

[jimmyjoe]

1 hour ago, garroyo130 said:

 

Am I the only one confused by the "makes it easier on the fisherman" argument?

 

 

   On deep divers over an ounce, and especially on something like the 10xd, I don't palm. I'm right-handed, and my left hand is on the forend. So my left hand has a lot of the stress taken off it. If I throw somewhat shallower lures that are less than an ounce, then I'll go back to palming.       jj

[CC268]

Well I appreciate the feedback. Not as straight forward as I thought it might be. I guess deep cranking isn’t as cut and dry as some of the other questions I’ve posted. Might just hold off on a deep cranking rod and reel for now. If I do go down that route I guess I’ll take a look at the Abu Garcia Winch or the Daiwa Tatula 200. Maybe look at a Shimano equivalent as well.
 

I’ll do some more research over the coming weeks as well. 

[jimmyjoe]

9 hours ago, CC268 said:

 

 

I kind of figured I could get a nice deep cranking setup for less than $500, but maybe that isn’t the case

 

   ???????

 

   The 806 is $260.  That leaves you $240 for a reel.

   The Tatula 200 is only $170.

   The Shimano TranX in 200 size is $200. The 300a is, admittedly, higher.

   The Shimano Cardiff 300a is $120.

   The ABU Revo Beast X is $180.

 

   Did you have your heart set on a certain reel that sells for over $240? 

   And yes, you can definitely hold off if you're uncertain of which way to go. There's nothing good about jumping too soon and making a mistake. Believe me, I know.   ??      jj