Braid with leader no more

[Ravox]

46 minutes ago, Bass Junke said:

I have 2 spinning set ups. After I took the braid off I put 8lb co-polymer (P-line Foroclear) and just to see if it was as bad as stated, 8lb Sunline Sniper FC florocarbon. I don't buy into the whole floro invisibility thing, just don't think it is that important. 

So both the floro and co-poly I had almost no issues with (the floro was a little springy for the first trip. After that it settled down). Now because I do not use leaders I have since re-spooled these reels. On them now is 6lb P-line CXX co-poly and P-line 8lb CX co-poly. No issues. 

Now I do lots of line management. After 1 or 2 trips I peel off 150 feet of line and stretch it and run it through my fingers looking for kinks, nicks, ect. I believe I would have many more issues if I did not do this. 

That is the worst thing about fluro you need to worry too much about the line, braid you just dont care

[BassNJake]

It depends on where and what you are fishing for.

When I lived in Ohio, I got schooled by a guy on Lake Erie using flouro when I was using mono of a lighter diameter

I started using his equipment and was immediately catching fish

I also know there are guys on here that have caught many,many fish when using mono on Lake Erie

So my personal experience is why I use a flouro leader for applications like a dropshot

 

Now living near Norris lake TN, the smallmouth often school up suspended in the water column

One of the techniques they use is the "Damiki rig" which is also referred to as video game fishing

You are watching your electronics looking for schools of fish 25-35 feet deep

Then you drop your small jig head straight down just above the fish

I use a braid to leader connection for this

The braid keeps the line twists down and the flouro sinks so it helps drag the braid down

I like the sensitivity of flouro vs mono

 

If I lived in Florida, I'd fish straight braid for everything except maybe a crank bait

[bueller]

Remember that all braids are not equal. 8 strand casts much better than 4 and quieter on the guides too. Daiwa J Braid and Sufix 832 are excellent and I've had some of my best days with no leader. I personally use 20lb Sufix in Coastal Camo color.

[Tizi]

22 hours ago, Ravox said:

the fluro you use on spinning how many lbs?

I use 8 lb YZ hybrid and 6 lb Invisx

[Ravox]

16 hours ago, BassNJake said:

It depends on where and what you are fishing for.

When I lived in Ohio, I got schooled by a guy on Lake Erie using flouro when I was using mono of a lighter diameter

I started using his equipment and was immediately catching fish

I also know there are guys on here that have caught many,many fish when using mono on Lake Erie

So my personal experience is why I use a flouro leader for applications like a dropshot

 

Now living near Norris lake TN, the smallmouth often school up suspended in the water column

One of the techniques they use is the "Damiki rig" which is also referred to as video game fishing

You are watching your electronics looking for schools of fish 25-35 feet deep

Then you drop your small jig head straight down just above the fish

I use a braid to leader connection for this

The braid keeps the line twists down and the flouro sinks so it helps drag the braid down

I like the sensitivity of flouro vs mono

 

If I lived in Florida, I'd fish straight braid for everything except maybe a crank bait

Yes there is a difference about Florida, all the grass and vegetation at the lakes and canals for this reason maybe straight braid has no difference than an invisible line 

[RichF]

On 8/20/2020 at 5:46 AM, Choporoz said:

 

-My leaders are more abrasion resistant than my braid

This is a big one for me.  Especially if I'm using thin braid on spinning tackle. I've had big smallmouth cut 20lb braid so I run an 8 - 10lb  fluoro leader to prevent it.

 

I run straight braid a lot and my decision to do so depends more on the type of cover and bait presentation than water clarity.  

[Ravox]

6 minutes ago, RichF said:

This is a big one for me.  Especially if I'm using thin braid on spinning tackle. I've had big smallmouth cut 20lb braid so I run an 8 - 10lb  fluoro leader to prevent it.

 

I run straight braid a lot and my decision to do so depends more on the type of cover and bait presentation than water clarity.  

Well this is interesting, so 7-8lb fluro is stronger than 20lb braid? in this case if a go with straight fluro is a better option than braid ? specially on a spinning rod

[RichF]

4 minutes ago, Ravox said:

Well this is interesting, so 7-8lb fluro is stronger than 20lb braid? in this case if a go with straight fluro is a better option than braid ? specially on a spinning rod

Not stronger, just more abrasion resistant.  The braid doesn't break, it gets cut.  Straight fluoro on spinning is fine (8lb and smaller), it's just nowhere near as manageable and cast-able as braid.

[Bassfishingfred]

I only use braid to leader.  Berkley x9 is my choice for braid and FC100 System leader as my floro for heavier set up. When going light I use Sunline Assassin  . Knot of choice for the leader is an FG and Trilene knot for my bait. I Love braid to leader and seem to get more bites then straight braid in clear water

[Fishingmickey]

Ok Ravox,

     I am kind have the feeling that your having mostly sensitivity issues. With braid being very limp. When there is slack in a braided line it will not transmit anything until it is taut/tight to the lure. Fluoro is the most sensitive/strike detectable overall in my book unless I am fishing tight lined braid. Mono being second and braid (when slack) last, when it is tight to the lure or weight it is probably the best.  I'm thinking that you may being fishing T-rigged senkos weightless. With any of the three lines you need to learn what a bite feels like. Try to keep in contact with your bait. When you run it into brush, weeds or rocks. You'll learn to tell that you did it. When a bass or any other fish for that matter hits it. It feels like something "alive" hit it. Once you figure out how to tell that "feeling" difference.  You'll be well on your way to becoming a much better fisherman. 

FM

[Diggy]

I run leader in many instances to save soft plastics from slicing or tearing after 1 fish if it slides up the line, which is the worst.

[Herbert Lorenzo]

I use a leader . I feel that a leader will act as a shock absorber .This preventing the hook from tearing off the flesh  not because of it's lack of visibility. 

[RoLo]

 

There are 3 scenarios when I’ll incorporate a nylon leader with the braided main-line:

  ●   PANFISH                      (Bluegills, redears, yellow perch, rock bass ~ ~)

  ●   SMALLMOUTH BASS      (Drop-shotting, particularly around shell-beds)

  ●   LARGEMOUTH BASS      (Finesse fishing: e.g. unweighted stickworms, Ned rig ~ ~)

                       For ‘everything else’, it’s straight braid with no leader

 

It’s reasonable to assume that fish see lures and line far better than humans. Even to me, there’ve been times

when a hovering strand of double-wide fluorocarbon resembled a submersed icicle. Imagine what it might look

like to a fish. Regardless, what’s more important than the fish’s vision, is whether the fish gives a flip

about the sight of line (Line? What is line?). It’s my opinion, fish simply don’t have the luxury to be paranoid,

they need to eat to survive.

 

When we enter the fish’s underwater world we see plant stems vaulting upward from the bottom,

foliar tendrils draping downward from the surface. There are strings of algae and larvae,

there are tadpoles, mosquito larvae and crayfish that sport 2 antennae resembling

two strands of braided line; and the list goes on.

 

Along comes an angler with his proud version of simulated life. He offers an animated object

with a gaudy rattlebox and an obtrusive weedguard (Nah, an aggressive fish wouldn't mind) .

Or he might offer a crankbait with 3 awe-inspiring treble hooks dangling from the bait

(Nah, an aggressive fish wouldn't mind). But Wait. our aggressive bass just noticed a thin

braid filament streaming from the nose of the bait!  That does it: All Bets Are Off     

 

Roger

 

[roadwarrior]

[J Francho]

I prefer not to use braid, but if I do, I prefer to not use a leader.  There's been some times, when I wasn't getting bit, so I added the leader, and started getting bit.  There are other times, like fishing heavy wood cover, or docks, where abrasion is an issue, and if I get hung, I want to be able to break off without dragging a log or dock into the boat.

[Ravox]

17 hours ago, Fishingmickey said:

Ok Ravox,

     I am kind have the feeling that your having mostly sensitivity issues. With braid being very limp. When there is slack in a braided line it will not transmit anything until it is taut/tight to the lure. Fluoro is the most sensitive/strike detectable overall in my book unless I am fishing tight lined braid. Mono being second and braid (when slack) last, when it is tight to the lure or weight it is probably the best.  I'm thinking that you may being fishing T-rigged senkos weightless. With any of the three lines you need to learn what a bite feels like. Try to keep in contact with your bait. When you run it into brush, weeds or rocks. You'll learn to tell that you did it. When a bass or any other fish for that matter hits it. It feels like something "alive" hit it. Once you figure out how to tell that "feeling" difference.  You'll be well on your way to becoming a much better fisherman. 

FM

 

Exactly that is my main concern sensibility, i was gut hooking a lot of fish with Yo Zuri Hybrid for some reason i felt nothing only noticed something when the fish starts to go away with the line i mainly fish texas rig with 1/8 weight im experimenting on lines at this moment and so far i liked fluro a lot on my spinning outfit  and im still deciding if a put braid on one of my rods as a test for sensibility 

 

 

11 hours ago, RoLo said:

 

There are 3 scenarios when I’ll incorporate a nylon leader with the braided main-line:

  ●   PANFISH                      (Bluegills, redears, yellow perch, rock bass ~ ~)

  ●   SMALLMOUTH BASS      (Drop-shotting, particularly around shell-beds)

  ●   LARGEMOUTH BASS      (Finesse fishing: e.g. unweighted stickworms, Ned rig ~ ~)

                       For ‘everything else’, it’s straight braid with no leader

 

It’s reasonable to assume that fish see lures and line far better than humans. Even to me, there’ve been times

when a hovering strand of double-wide fluorocarbon resembled a submersed icicle. Imagine what it might look

like to a fish. Regardless, what’s more important than the fish’s vision, is whether the fish gives a flip

about the sight of line (Line? What is line?). It’s my opinion, fish simply don’t have the luxury to be paranoid,

they need to eat to survive.

 

When we enter the fish’s underwater world we see plant stems vaulting upward from the bottom,

foliar tendrils draping downward from the surface. There are strings of algae and larvae,

there are tadpoles, mosquito larvae and crayfish that sport 2 antennae that resemble

2 strands of braided line. And the list goes on and on..

 

Along comes an angler with his proud version of simulated life. He offers an animated object

with a gaudy rattlebox and an obtrusive weedguard (AH, an aggressive fish won't mind) .

Or he might offer a crankbait with 3 awe-inspiring treble hooks dangling from the bait

(AH, a stupid fish won't notice).  BUT WAIT! Our aggressive bass just noticed a thin filament of braid

streaming from the nose of the bait!  That does it: ALL BETS ARE OFF!     

 

Roger

 

Amazing! there is so much for the fish to see before he can even notice the line and still they bite that is an amazing thank you so much for that 

[GetFishorDieTryin]

Fish are line shy in most of the lakes around me.  Theres a noticeable difference when you go from heavier to mono to fluro especially with quality fish.  Ill use straight braid in most heavy cover other then wood if I have to.  The majority of braid I use is on spinning gear, but I always have a leader tied on.  Leaders have advantages over straight braid.  Even braids without a waxy coating slip on clinch style knots.  Palomar knots are great but they eat up line pretty fast.  I like that braid has almost 0 stretch but like to have a little give.  I like alberto knots there incredibly strong when tied well.  There also really small, I use a leader length so that the knot is in between the reel and first guide when im casting and you wont feel it running through the guides.  You do have to make sure you trim the tag of the leader so none of it sticks out. 

[Glaucus]

The only reason I like a leader with braid is because it's easier to break off a snag.

[roadwarrior]

2 hours ago, Glaucus said:

The only reason I like a leader with braid is because it's easier to break off a snag.

That and superior abrasion resistance.