Alternate Uni to Uni

[5/0]

I came across a video on this knot and it was totally different from the usual one you see most guys tie. It was basically clinch knots tied back to back. Have any of you seen this and have experience with it?

[WRB]

Blood knot, used it since the 50's.

Tom

[RoLo]

 

I can't say that I have, but I can say that I spurned the clinch knot way back in the 1970s.

 

They came back with a 2nd attempt called an "improved" clinch knot...too little, too late.

(A telltale sign of a slipped clinch knot is a line-end that looks like a pigtail)

 

All I ever use (fresh & salt) is a uni-knot to uni-knot for virtually everything (Uni = universal).

I have no knot loyalty, and if a Uni-knot ever fails me, I'd drop it like a hot potato.

 

Roger

[5/0]

P

Here it is. Doesn’t look like a Blood Knot.

Yes, I’ve never had success with Clinch Knots either.

[BrianMDTX]

Are you talking improved clinch knots to terminal tackle? I use them about 50%-60% of the time (the other 40% or so are Palomar knots). Can’t say I’ve ever had a properly tied IC knot fail unless I should’ve retied it after a snag, etc. 

[basser27]

Improved clinch on all my mono, Palomar for braid. I don’t use fluoro

[5/0]

18 minutes ago, BrianMDTX said:

Are you talking improved clinch knots to terminal tackle? I use them about 50%-60% of the time (the other 40% or so are Palomar knots). Can’t say I’ve ever had a properly tied IC knot fail unless I should’ve retied it after a snag, etc. 

 

12 minutes ago, basser27 said:

Improved clinch on all my mono, Palomar for braid. I don’t use fluoro

No. I use the Uni most of the time for terminal tackle, sometime I will tie the Palomar. I use copoly and braid.

I was referring to a connection knot that was labeled a Uni to Uni (video above) that to me is something other than a Uni to Uni. Just wanted to know if anyone had experienced that knot. I currently use the Crazy Alberto for line to line connections.

[JustJames]

No never tried that. I only use double uni knot to connect braid to leader and it hold up just fine. I will modify it a little bit next time by using Double, double uni knot where double braid mainline before making a knot. This might help thin braid cutting into leader when clinch.

[Hammer 4]

Don't use leaders. All my knots are San Diego jam knots, unless I forget my reading glasses, then I tie a uni knot, which I haven't had any issues with.

[Finessegenics]

Yup, blood knot. My favorite connection knot to tie. I find it way easier to tie than a standard Uni to uni. 

[Linewinder]

19 hours ago, 5/0 said:

P

Here it is. Doesn’t look like a Blood Knot.

Yes, I’ve never had success with Clinch Knots either.

Sorry.  That's wrong.  That's not a uni-knot.  That's a clinch knot, not even improved.

 

A uni-knot starts with a loop that the tag end is passed through.  The video shows it the other way around, with the loop last and passed through then (clinch).  I remember the uni as coming from Berkley, in a booklet or something, perhaps included with some line, back in the '70s and I'm still using it.  https://www.berkley-fishing.com/Berkley-ae-how-to-tie-a-uni-knot.html  I might try to switch to San Diego jam knot for terminal tackle but haven't thought about it in this situation, nor with clinch/improved clinch knots.  I've been using sergeon's knot (double or triple) for short mono leader to braid/superline lately with general success -- seems a smaller knot.

[basser27]

17 hours ago, 5/0 said:

 

No. I use the Uni most of the time for terminal tackle, sometime I will tie the Palomar. I use copoly and braid.

I was referring to a connection knot that was labeled a Uni to Uni (video above) that to me is something other than a Uni to Uni. Just wanted to know if anyone had experienced that knot. I currently use the Crazy Alberto for line to line connections.

I use the Alberto knot for all of my line to line connections. It’s small, passes through the guides easy and it’s easy to tie. Never had problems with it 

[roadwarrior]

[Lmsmbassaddict]

23 hours ago, RoLo said:

 

I can't say that I have, but I can say that I spurned the clinch knot way back in the 1970s.

 

They came back with a 2nd attempt called an "improved" clinch knot...too little, too late.

(A telltale sign of a slipped clinch knot is a line-end that looks like a pigtail)

 

All I ever use (fresh & salt) is a uni-knot to uni-knot for virtually everything (Uni = universal).

I have no knot loyalty, and if a Uni-knot ever fails me, I'd drop it like a hot potato.

 

Roger

He's referring to the blood knot. The a branch off of the gt canned the j knot involves a clinch but not 2 like he said. 

 

The j knot is a great knot and so is the uni, but the uni to me has been replaced for what fish n fool calls his knot which is just an improved uni. My knot is a version of the gt/j but instead of wrapping just up I go at the actual wraps like an Alberto making the knot I've tied for years. It's got a small profile and can even get through things the FG gets stuck on, because of the bullet shape. 

 

It also beats the FG strength wise about half the time meaning it's got the strength.

 

Have a great day y'all.

[Linewinder]

The uni-to-uni knot and the like allow tying indeterminate lengths of line together basically end-to-end, while knots like the J knot require passing the working end through loops, which is feasible for determinate lengths as a leader may be.  What do folks do for tying two lines together, one on the reel and the other still on the spool?  Do you pass the spool through the loop?  I'm all for stronger knots in use.

[MickD]

On 8/14/2020 at 6:27 PM, 5/0 said:

 

Here it is. Doesn’t look like a Blood Knot.

Yes, I’ve never had success with Clinch Knots either.

This not what we normally call a double uni, not a clinch knot, and not a blood knot, at least not like the blood knot instructions I've seen.  It looks like it will be very large, possibly larger than the normal double uni.

 

It also seems to me that it should be wet when pulled together, and I think the tag ends should be "set" after tightening it, then the whole knot set again.  Might make it less likely to unravel and might make it smaller.  

 

If this knot is in fact bigger than the normal double uni then I see no advantage in it.  

[MickD]

38 minutes ago, Linewinder said:

The uni-to-uni knot and the like allow tying indeterminate lengths of line together basically end-to-end, while knots like the J knot require passing the working end through loops, which is feasible for determinate lengths as a leader may be.  What do folks do for tying two lines together, one on the reel and the other still on the spool?  Do you pass the spool through the loop?  I'm all for stronger knots in use.

I see no reason why the double uni or the Alberto would not work for this scenario.  All you are working with are the ends, and those don't know whether the other ends are on a spool, reel, or loose.

[Lmsmbassaddict]

On 8/16/2020 at 3:53 PM, MickD said:

This not what we normally call a double uni, not a clinch knot, and not a blood knot, at least not like the blood knot instructions I've seen.  It looks like it will be very large, possibly larger than the normal double uni.

 

It also seems to me that it should be wet when pulled together, and I think the tag ends should be "set" after tightening it, then the whole knot set again.  Might make it less likely to unravel and might make it smaller.  

 

If this knot is in fact bigger than the normal double uni then I see no advantage in it.  

People get knot names wrong all the time. It's unfortunate that in the fishing world of no one corrects anyone they don't fix it. Or you hear "it's worked for me this long". The fact of the matter is people take corrections to how they fish as a shot at there manhood. It shouldn't be that way. We all have something to learn. 

 

That isn't a double uni, he is 100% wrong. It's just a clinch knot to clinch knot connection. I have no idea why he says to use this over just a uni to uni. With braid the uni really compliments the knot. I don't tie regular clinch nots ever, and I don't see anywhere in the best future that I will. They are old knots that work but have issues. Clinch knots can slip, it might be harder in this instance but still. Your not gaining anything by watching that video other than lost time. 

 

I see it all the time, even in pro fishing where you know they are full time trying to feed there families. You'd think they would be more on point, and maybe they are. Gotta always watch where your information is coming from. You get people who purposely try to throw people off. 

 

God bless you guys

[MickD]

I tried the knot a couple times, just ended up with a mess that wouldn't tighten down cleanly.  Might have done it wrong, but still see no advantage to this knot.

[GetFishorDieTryin]

On ‎8‎/‎14‎/‎2020 at 6:04 PM, 5/0 said:

I came across a video on this knot and it was totally different from the usual one you see most guys tie. It was basically clinch knots tied back to back. Have any of you seen this and have experience with it?

He tying the knot wrong.  When I was a kid I looked at a how to diagram of uni uni in a store and tried to memorize it.  I think this is a combination of misremembering and habit especially if you tie a lot of clinch knots.  I used that knot for years and never had any practical issues even with some cow stripers.  Most of the failures would occur trying to winch big fish wrapped in pounds of thick carpet like grass that was so thick after the breakoff the fish was stuck on top of the mat.  I had to swim out 2 times to save the fish and get my swimbait back.  I was using 15 or 20 lb blue label to 20 or 30lb PP or suffix.  Shock will break it as well.  Even with a correctly ties Uni Uni using lines of dissimilar diameter causes issues.  IMO if you can learn how to tie a clean Alberto you shouldn't have any problems bass fishing.  I tie a decent FG and PR but rarely use them.

On ‎8‎/‎14‎/‎2020 at 6:14 PM, WRB said:

Blood knot, used it since the 50's.

Tom

100% not a blood knot

[WRB]

30 minutes ago, Rusty_Shackleford said:

He tying the knot wrong.  When I was a kid I looked at a how to diagram of uni uni in a store and tried to memorize it.  I think this is a combination of misremembering and habit especially if you tie a lot of clinch knots.  I used that knot for years and never had any practical issues even with some cow stripers.  Most of the failures would occur trying to winch big fish wrapped in pounds of thick carpet like grass that was so thick after the breakoff the fish was stuck on top of the mat.  I had to swim out 2 times to save the fish and get my swimbait back.  I was using 15 or 20 lb blue label to 20 or 30lb PP or suffix.  Shock will break it as well.  Even with a correctly ties Uni Uni using lines of dissimilar diameter causes issues.  IMO if you can learn how to tie a clean Alberto you shouldn't have any problems bass fishing.  I tie a decent FG and PR but rarely use them.

100% not a blood knot

Back to back clinch knot is how the OP discribed the knot is 100% blood knot. 

Tom

[the reel ess]

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[J Francho]

I wish he wouldn't call that a "double uni knot" in the video.  That is not a double uni knot.  It's not even a back to back uni knot.  It's back to back clinch (not even improved) knots.  Since I do not have much faith in a back to back uni knot as a braid to leader connection, this knot is right out.  To me, a double uni knot is a terminal uni knot with the line doubled up.  Some guys that flip heavy cover use this knot.  I don't, it's too bulky, and leaves a mess of tag ends.  For connection knots, an Alberto always serves me well.  With lighter lines, I've used a triple surgeons.  Blood knots are fine too, but they are too fussy for my fingers to tie easily.

[5/0]

1 hour ago, J Francho said:

I wish he wouldn't call that a "double uni knot" in the video.  That is not a double uni knot.  It's not even a back to back uni knot.  It's back to back clinch (not even improved) knots.

This is what I thought when I made the original post, I’m sorry I wasn’t very clear with the question. It looked to simple to be true. I will continue to use the Alberto for leader connections and the single Uni for terminal tackle.

Thanks all for your input!

[WRB]

The video illustrates back to back San Diego Jam knots without completing the jam knot

Tom