Tip guide for Orochi XX

[Dens228]

This morning through my own stupidity I broke the tip off my Orochi XX Braillist.  It broke right at the top insert.  Can anyone tell me what rod tip guide to use to repair it myself??  

 

[spoonplugger1]

Got a set of drill bits? They will help you select your size.

[Dens228]

I do.

 

[spoonplugger1]

Tip, top, tube sizes are in 64th of an inch, so are your drill bits tip should, slip right in one of those small, drill bit's holes. If it's goes in a long way and sloppy at the length of the original tip top it's a half size smaller.

[MickD]

You may be able to retrieve the blank material from the tiptop with heat and picking at it with a needle or similar tool.  Or drilling it out.  If you get the blank material out try the tiptop on the rod end.  If it fits, use some hot melt to secure it.  If it doesn't fit, stick a drill that is very tight to the bore into it and rotate the drill, trying to open it up a tad.  Then hot melt it on.  Also, if you can find a tapered "bodkin" or similar tool you can sometimes stick it in and work it around to open the diameter of the tiptop enough.

 

If these don't work, any tiptop with the right ceramic ring size (they are measured by the OD, so a size 5 is 5 mm in outer diameter) and tube size will work.  As stated above, the tube size is in 64/ths, so use use a micrometer or similar on the OD of the blank, or the drill trick on the tiptop to get the size.

[Dens228]

18 hours ago, MickD said:

You may be able to retrieve the blank material from the tiptop with heat and picking at it with a needle or similar tool.  Or drilling it out.  If you get the blank material out try the tiptop on the rod end.  If it fits, use some hot melt to secure it.  If it doesn't fit, stick a drill that is very tight to the bore into it and rotate the drill, trying to open it up a tad.  Then hot melt it on.  Also, if you can find a tapered "bodkin" or similar tool you can sometimes stick it in and work it around to open the diameter of the tiptop enough.

 

If these don't work, any tiptop with the right ceramic ring size (they are measured by the OD, so a size 5 is 5 mm in outer diameter) and tube size will work.  As stated above, the tube size is in 64/ths, so use use a micrometer or similar on the OD of the blank, or the drill trick on the tiptop to get the size.

I'd have to dive to the bottom of a quarry and dig through the weeds to find it.....LOL   

I ordered a Fugi repair kit, comes with three different sizes.  One would fit I'd think. 

 

[MickD]

5 hours ago, Dens228 said:

I'd have to dive to the bottom of a quarry and dig through the weeds to find it.....LOL   

I ordered a Fugi repair kit, comes with three different sizes.  One would fit I'd think. 

 

I thought you had it.  So you not only broke the rod, but the line too.  Glad I've never made a mistake like that.  :-)  Try to use the one that most closely matches the ring size, if you can.  If you have to use a tube size larger than ideal, you can "shim" the tip of the blank with a winding of thread stabilized by epoxy to build up the dia of the blank, then attach the tiptop with hot melt.  If you use epoxy to attach the tiptop, if you break its ring, you may not be able to get the tiptop off.

[Dens228]

1 hour ago, MickD said:

I thought you had it.  So you not only broke the rod, but the line too.  Glad I've never made a mistake like that.  ? Try to use the one that most closely matches the ring size, if you can.  If you have to use a tube size larger than ideal, you can "shim" the tip of the blank with a winding of thread stabilized by epoxy to build up the dia of the blank, then attach the tiptop with hot melt.  If you use epoxy to attach the tiptop, if you break its ring, you may not be able to get the tiptop off.

To show you how that morning went, I'm fishing in a kayak and reached behind me to get a rod and deep set a treble into my left elbow.  The rod was in a holder, I couldn't reach it with my left hand due to the way I was impaled on my elbow, I was able to get turned around enough to get the rod out with my right hand, unhook the lure from the hook keeper on the rod, push the barb through, cut the barb off and pull the hook out.  All that was with my right hand on a hook I could only see part of due to its location.  Oh, I'm left handed.......lol   And............it was a nice big, thick Whopper Plopper hook.  

[MickD]

l think you did very well to only lose a tiptop.  Are you familiar with the hook removal technique that jerks the hook out?  Works great, but can be a challenge for the fisherman who doesn't have another person to help.  I've done it when the "geometry" worked, alone, but that is not always possible.  But if it can work, it beats the hell out of pushing a hook through then cutting off the barb.

[Dens228]

1 hour ago, MickD said:

l think you did very well to only lose a tiptop.  Are you familiar with the hook removal technique that jerks the hook out?  Works great, but can be a challenge for the fisherman who doesn't have another person to help.  I've done it when the "geometry" worked, alone, but that is not always possible.  But if it can work, it beats the hell out of pushing a hook through then cutting off the barb.

Yes but that wasn't an option.  On a kayak, only person on the water. I could barely even see the hook due to where it was stuck into my elbow.  It was on the back upper part, almost lower tricep. I was lucky that I could see it at all.  Otherwise I would have driven home with a Whopper Plopper attached to my elbow.