Daiwa Zillion TD Braking Issue

[bhoff]

Hey guys, trying to get some insight on the issue I'm having with my Daiwa Zillion TD (the old silver and red one). Essentially what is happening is even when putting my brakes on the max setting (10) the reel backlashes even with thumbing the spool heavily. It will begin the cast fine then throughout the middle of the cast the spool will overun drastically. It isn't a question of whether or not I can cast a baitcaster as this behavior is something out of the ordinary. I have made sure that the side plate cover is completely screwed down and that the magforce inductor is able to move freely. I haven't tried cleaning out the magnetic surface in the side plate but it doesn't look dirty and I'm not sure how much it would actually help. Any information would help, Thanks.

[webertime]

inductor spring too "loose"?

[FishTank]

I had the same issue with mine.  Even when it was new, I never got consistent breaking.  I sent it to Daiwa to get serviced and it was good for a short while but it never seemed right.  I eventually sold it. 

[Junger]

All of the above, and check to see if the magnets are aligned in the sideplate. The notches should be in a straight line when set on max braking on the mag dial.

[iabass8]

Common problem on old daiwas. Its either the inductor on your spool or one the magnetIc rings inside the side plate has come loose and wont engage. Spool you can figure out how to check that i hope. The test the magnests, take the side plate off and move the dial and watch the rings. Both are easy fixes.

[bhoff]

@BaitFinesse Does the inductor move in and out freely? Yes the inductor on the spool moves in and out freely.

 

Do the centrifugal weights on the inductor move with the inductor? Not sure what weights you are talking about, but the bottom of the magforce inductor has a brown insert that does follow the inductor when pulled in and out.

 

When the mag dial is turned does the magnet ring rotate? The magnet ring does rotate when the brakes are adjusted.

 

@Junger

 

The notches should be in a straight line when set on max braking on the mag dial. - Yes the magnetic rings notches do line up when the brakes are set at the maximum level.

 

@iabass8 Not sure what you mean by the inductor coming loose, but it does move in and out freely and the magnetic rings are able to rotate.

 

@webertime I have no real way of being able to test that, but to me if the inductor spring was too loose it would be over braking not causing backlashes.

 

I appreciate all the responses guys but I don't see any glaring issues that would be causing this. May have to resort to sending this off as I want to keep this reel in my rotation.

 

[iabass8]

1 hour ago, bhoff said:

 

 

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@iabass8 Not sure what you mean by the inductor coming loose, but it does move in and out freely and the magnetic rings are able to rotate.

 

 

 

with the side plate off, take a small tip flat head screw driver to either of the notched magnetic rings and try to rotate them by pushing the screwdriver head into them and rotating. If they move when you push on them, they're loose and that's your issue.

 

The inductor can rotate freely around the spool shaft and won't engage the spool . I don't recall if the OG zillion had tabs on the spool inductor that moved in and out when increasing/decreasing braking but that's something else to look for if it has tabs. They should both move out when you lift the inductor away from the spool. 

 

also, if you have another zillon or a td-z, you can swap sideplates to help narrow down the issue. they're all the same. 

[bhoff]

@iabass8 I just popped open my reel to check on what you mentioned but neither of the magnetic rings move when applying pressure using a screwdriver in either direction. The inductor has a couple degrees of rotation but nothing I would consider not engaging the spool shaft. Sadly this is my only Zillion or Daiwa baitcaster for that matter so I have no way of interchanging the sideplate.

[iabass8]

a hair of rotation is normal so it's fine. If the magnets don't move, at least we know they're secured. ..unfortunately that's the easy fix 9 times out of 10. I'm still leaning towards some sort of magnet/spool issue but can't tell w/o my hands on it. I don't have much in the way of OG zillion spare parts. send it to Spanky over at the TackleTrap

[bhoff]

I wish I knew more about reel repair and how they worked. I do appreciate the help, I'll try cleaning the magnetic surfaces and the inductor and take it out to see if that would make a difference. I was told by another member on the forums to send it to a guy named Ian Shields I think, you have experience with the guys at TackleTrap?

[iabass8]

59 minutes ago, bhoff said:

I wish I knew more about reel repair and how they worked. I do appreciate the help, I'll try cleaning the magnetic surfaces and the inductor and take it out to see if that would make a difference. I was told by another member on the forums to send it to a guy named Ian Shields I think, you have experience with the guys at TackleTrap?

I do all my own work and have for years. Ian is the best reel tuner/tech around..hands down.  He’s a magician. I recommended the tackletrap because they’re a daiwa authorized repair shop and have parts readily available. 

[bhoff]

@BaitFinesse Alright, I'll give them a call tomorrow.