Avid and AvidX

[NavyVet]

I own several so called high end rods. I do not want to buy any more because of the price and I do not get to fish near as much as I used to. Have been recently looking at the St. Croix Avid and Avid X line of casting rods.

 

Particularly the 7ft. Medium Fast with a 1/4 to 5/8 lure range rated for 10 to 17 lb. test line.

I want to throw buzz baits, 3/8oz. chatter baits, poppers, and lighter cranks such as 1.5 and 2.5 square bills, jerk baits, and DT 10's.

 

Do to think this rod would do what I need?  Avid or Avid X? Never used micro guides before. Have an Avid spinning rod I like very much. Like St. Croix rods very much but I have other brands as well.

 

 I have both a 6ft. 8in and a 7 ft MH Fast but I do not get very good range at all with those lighter lures with  them.

[Ogandrews]

18 minutes ago, NavyVet said:

I own several so called high end rods. I do not want to buy any more because of the price and I do not get to fish near as much as I used to. Have been recently looking at the St. Croix Avid and Avid X line of casting rods.

Particularly the 7ft. Medium Fast with a 1/4 to 5/8 lure range rated for 10 to 17 lb. test line.

I want to throw buzz baits, 3/8oz. chatter baits, poppers, and lighter cranks such as 1.5 and 2.5 square bills, jerk baits, and DT 10's.

 

Do to think this rod would do what I need?  Avid or Avid X? Never used micro guides before. Have an Avid spinning rod I like very much. Like St. Croix rods very much but I have other brands as well.

I have owned pretty much every bass and musky rod st croix makes besides the legend x and the new extreme. The mojo bass and avid share the same blank and have other features that are the exact same as well. The scIII blanks, which both have, are amazingly light and sensitive for the price and are a huge step up from scII that the bass x, triumphs, premiers and eyecons have. If I was in your shoes I would either save some money and get a mojo bass version of that same rod, or spend a little extra and get the legend tournament which has a lot better features than the avid does. The mojo bass is an incredible rod for the price, best mid $100 rod on the market.

[jimmyjoe]

1 hour ago, NavyVet said:

7ft. Medium Fast with a 1/4 to 5/8 lure range rated for 10 to 17 lb. test line.

I want to throw buzz baits, 3/8oz. chatter baits, poppers, and lighter cranks such as 1.5 and 2.5 square bills, jerk baits, and DT 10's.

 

   M/F for cranks, buzzers and squarebills? And then throw in the DT10? Hmmmmm.....

   I'll tell you what I would do. I'd get the MH/M rod in the same family. It's 3/8 to 1 oz. You'd have plenty of strength for the DT10, and a moderate action to keep the small cranks and squarebills pinned. You'd have a little delay for the buzzbait, some give for the chatterbait, and it would be good enough for a popping rod. It's a light rod, to boot.

   I could be wrong, but I think you might lose too many fish with the M/F.

 

   Not that I would be talking from experience, mind you .......    ?   

 

   If you're absolutely dead set on a M/F, then what @Ogandrews said is correct. The M/F in the Mojo family is dang righteous.

   jj

[FishTank]

I have several of the regular Avid rods and have always considered them the best bang for buck.  As far as the Avid and the Avid X goes, I have looked at the Avid X and decided that I just didn't care for it.  I am not sure what it is.  Maybe I like the full cork better.  One things for sure, I don't care for braid on micro guides, especially if I am using a leader.  

 

Also, I think you are asking a lot of one rod.  If I had to pick one that would come close to all that you are asking for, it would be the regular Avid 7' M Fast or the 7' MH Fast.   But based on the lures you mentioned, I would get the M Fast. 

[Randy Price]

10 hours ago, FishTank said:

I have several of the regular Avid rods and have always considered them the best bang for buck.  As far as the Avid and the Avid X goes, I have looked at the Avid X and decided that I just didn't care for it.  I am not sure what it is.  Maybe I like the full cork better.  One things for sure, I don't care for braid on micro guides, especially if I am using a leader.  

 

Also, I think you are asking a lot of one rod.  If I had to pick one that would come close to all that you are asking for, it would be the regular Avid 7' M Fast or the 7' MH Fast.   But based on the lures you mentioned, I would get the M Fast. 

I agree with @FishTank 100%.  I had an Avid X and didn't care for the micro guides.  At my age (56) if my line breaks in the boat it's a pain to try to thread the line through those small guides!

[Hulkster]

another thing to consider is the guides on the regular avid are Fuji Alconite and the ones on the avid X are Aluminum Oxide. 

 

They quietly snuck in cheaper guides on the Avid X

[Dens228]

I'm also not a fan of the micro guides.  I had several AvidX's and have slowly replaced each one.  I liked the rod, not the guides.  I was also upgrading to a higher end rod so that was part of the switch.

 

I also would not be throwing a buzzbait on a Medium rod.  Heck, most of the time I throw buzzbaits on a H/Fast, especially when I'm using a decent sized trailer with it. 

[dodgeguy]

I chose a bps Patriot rod over the avid x. The avid x has cheap guides the bps has Fuji sic. The bps has a ten year warranty. To me the bps felt better balanced and lighter. If you're sold on St Croix I'd get the regular avid first.

[rangerjockey]

I like the Avid X better. I prefer the split grip and I don't fish braid so the micros are of no concern .

You can buy a $60 Favorite with SIC's .. 

[jimmyjoe]

5 hours ago, Hulkster said:

another thing to consider is the guides on the regular avid are Fuji Alconite and the ones on the avid X are Aluminum Oxide. 

 

They quietly snuck in cheaper guides on the Avid X

 

   Alconite IS aluminum oxide. https://www.thecustomfisherman.com/product-review-crb-epoxy-mixer/

 

3 hours ago, dodgeguy said:

I chose a bps Patriot rod over the avid x. The avid x has cheap guides the bps has Fuji sic. The bps has a ten year warranty. To me the bps felt better balanced and lighter. If you're sold on St Croix I'd get the regular avid first.

 

   I'd stay away from SIC inserts, at least until they're improved. They are brittle.

 

   https://www.worldseafishing.com/forums/threads/fuji-k-series-alconite-vs-sic.772054/

   https://www.stripersonline.com/surftalk/topic/404081-fuji-guides/

  

   Here's a blurb for SIC guides. Notice that they don't address the issue of brittleness.

   https://www.guidesnblanks.com/page/fuji_sic_guide

 

   And it's not just fishing rod guides .....

   https://www.pumpsandsystems.com/trouble-silicon-carbide

 

   The care that a manufacturer spends on making a quality product is FAR more important than anything else; if the manufacturer is trying to deliberately foist cheap, poor-quality goods onto the market, then they're no good even if he says they're made out of diamonds. Integrity is the first consideration.

   And unfortunately, integrity is something advertisers seem to have in very short supply.        jj

[Boomstick]

The primary differences is the handle and the guides. The Avid X has micro guides, and the Avid has regular Fuji Alconite guites. The Mojo Bass has the same wonderful blank and is definitely the best bang for the buck.

 

I have the Mojo Bass 6'8" M/XF "Topwater" rod and I love it for throwing poppers and jerkbaits, the action is perfect. Then I own a Avid X 6'9" ML/XF rod I use for finesse. I'm generally good with the split grip handle for more vertical presentations. I'm generally not a huge proponent of microguides; I have some other rods with microguides that run fatter line and it does mean I can't tie on a leader, but with thinner line, that's not an issue so it works for me.

[Bass Rutten]

A medium heavy mod-fast action rod will do most things you mentioned really well with braided line. The dobyns fury 705cb is an amazing value, it has enough bend to protect trebles, and the braid provides enough power for single hook lures when needed. I use this setup for whopper ploppers, poppers, spooks, squarebills, medium divers, jerkbaits, spinnerbaits, chatterbaits, finesse paddletails , swimjigs (light wire). A very versatile, light and balanced setup that spends lots of time in my hands.

 

[Munkin]

22 hours ago, Ogandrews said:

I have owned pretty much every bass and musky rod st croix makes besides the legend x and the new extreme. The mojo bass and avid share the same blank and have other features that are the exact same as well. The scIII blanks, which both have, are amazingly light and sensitive for the price and are a huge step up from scII that the bass x, triumphs, premiers and eyecons have. If I was in your shoes I would either save some money and get a mojo bass version of that same rod, or spend a little extra and get the legend tournament which has a lot better features than the avid does. The mojo bass is an incredible rod for the price, best mid $100 rod on the market.

 

Mojo and Avid the same? Have the Mojo rods changed then over the years? I looked at them when they first came out and put them in a category below the Premier.

 

Like someone mentioned you are looking to cover a lot with one rod.  

 

Allen 

[dodgeguy]

6 hours ago, rangerjockey said:

I like the Avid X better. I prefer the split grip and I don't fish braid so the micros are of no concern .

You can buy a $60 Favorite with SIC's .. 

Whose sic guide ? Doubt it's Fuji.

4 hours ago, jimmyjoe said:

 

   Alconite IS aluminum oxide. https://www.thecustomfisherman.com/product-review-crb-epoxy-mixer/

 

 

   I'd stay away from SIC inserts, at least until they're improved. They are brittle.

 

   https://www.worldseafishing.com/forums/threads/fuji-k-series-alconite-vs-sic.772054/

   https://www.stripersonline.com/surftalk/topic/404081-fuji-guides/

  

   Here's a blurb for SIC guides. Notice that they don't address the issue of brittleness.

   https://www.guidesnblanks.com/page/fuji_sic_guide

 

   And it's not just fishing rod guides .....

   https://www.pumpsandsystems.com/trouble-silicon-carbide

 

   The care that a manufacturer spends on making a quality product is FAR more important than anything else; if the manufacturer is trying to deliberately foist cheap, poor-quality goods onto the market, then they're no good even if he says they're made out of diamonds. Integrity is the first consideration.

   And unfortunately, integrity is something advertisers seem to have in very short supply.        jj

I have been fishing Fuji sic guides for years and have NEVER had a failure.

[FishTank]

1 hour ago, dodgeguy said:

Whose sic guide ? Doubt it's Fuji.

I have been fishing Fuji sic guides for years and have NEVER had a failure.

I don't like Favorite rods but when I was at the Indy Boat Sport and Travel Show there was a rep there from Favorite. He showed the Defender rod and it's components.  It had Fuji SIC Guides.  I couldn't tell which ones though.  Looks like there are several available. 

 

https://www.therodroom.com/shop/pc/Silicon-Carbide-SiC-c74.htm

 

 

[Ogandrews]

4 hours ago, Munkin said:

 

Mojo and Avid the same? Have the Mojo rods changed then over the years? I looked at them when they first came out and put them in a category below the Premier.

 

Like someone mentioned you are looking to cover a lot with one rod.  

 

Allen 

The mojo and avid have the same blank, avid X has different guides I think the normal avid has the same guides as the mojo. They both have the scIII blank where as the premier has the scII blank that it shares with the bass x triumph eyecon ect. Imo the premier is just an overpriced triumph with a different color label. 
 

The avids are solid rods but I’d still rather have a legend tournament, or a mojo bass with the price difference put into a better reel.

[Bluebasser86]

I have several St. Croix rods and really like them. That said, was not a fan of the Avid X. Didn't like the guides at all. Didn't have any durability issues with them, they just didn't look right on the rod for some reason. I'd go with the regular Avid.

[jimmyjoe]

10 hours ago, Munkin said:

 

Mojo and Avid the same? Have the Mojo rods changed then over the years? I looked at them when they first came out and put them in a category below the Premier.

 

Allen 

 

   They upgraded the Mojo series in 2016.       jj

[JRingo]

Mojo is made in Mexico... avid in USA.   Basically the same rod.

[Hulkster]

i was under the impression that the Avid and newly design mojo were not the same rod blank at all.

 

they both contain the SCIII carbon but not the same blank??

[jimmyjoe]

2 hours ago, Hulkster said:

i was under the impression that the Avid and newly design mojo were not the same rod blank at all.

 

they both contain the SCIII carbon but not the same blank??

 

   As with most things dealing with fine details not published far and wide, the best idea is to call or e-mail the factory. Perhaps they want the details public, perhaps they don't. But at least that way, we've got it from the horse's mouth.     jj