Glass rods for chatterbaits

[Miken216]

So I was thinking of getting a legend glass 6’10 mh/m for shallow cranking and to use it to double over as a open water chatter rod any in put

[JediAmoeba]

8 minutes ago, Miken216 said:

So I was thinking of getting a legend glass 6’10 mh/m for shallow cranking and to use it to double over as a open water chatter rod any in put

Don't use it for chatterbaits.  I recently posted a thread on this- my hookups went up but the amount of fish I lost went way up.  Without any backbone you can't keep them pinned and they easily throw the single hook. 

[Miken216]

10 minutes ago, JediAmoeba said:

Don't use it for chatterbaits.  I recently posted a thread on this- my hookups went up but the amount of fish I lost went way up.  Without any backbone you can't keep them pinned and they easily throw the single hook. 

Well darn that sucks I just recently purchased the rip n chatter I was going to use that for like ripping thru grass But I got a 6.3:1 on it with 15lb Floro I was going to switch the reel to a 7.1:1 and and throw 50lb braid for just that purpose and get another chatter set up for open water presentation I was reading something about ripping thru the grass and using braid and it seemed good I haven’t got a chance to throw my new rip n chatter yet I just heard great reviews I mean I have the sweeper spinner rod by st croix the tournament legend I could just use it for this other applications 

[jimmyjoe]

   The rip-n-chatter is Heavy power. It'll keep anything pinned that you're likely to encounter ..... including musky. That doesn't say ANYTHING about setting the hook, only fighting the fish after the hookset.

   I learned on fiberglass. Someone who has learned on graphite may not be able mentally to adapt to a 'glass hookset, because the rod is "soft". Yes, you "swing for the bleachers", but then you MAINTAIN solid pressure on them also.

   I have both the 7'-02" H/M glass and the 7' MH/MF spinnerbait models. Believe me .... the 'glass is much more of a brute than the 3/8-3/4 spinnerbait rod. 

   Don't worry and obsess. Fishing is FUN. It's one of the few activities on Earth in which more learning is MORE fun. I've learned a heck of a lot about both equipment and techniques. In some cases, the answer to my curiosity was, "Nope!", but the greatest preponderance was just .... well, great fishing.   ?

   Good luck!        jj

  

[Miken216]

31 minutes ago, jimmyjoe said:

   The rip-n-chatter is Heavy power. It'll keep anything pinned that you're likely to encounter ..... including musky. That doesn't say ANYTHING about setting the hook, only fighting the fish after the hookset.

   I learned on fiberglass. Someone who has learned on graphite may not be able mentally to adapt to a 'glass hookset, because the rod is "soft". Yes, you "swing for the bleachers", but then you MAINTAIN solid pressure on them also.

   I have both the 7'-02" H/M glass and the 7' MH/MF spinnerbait models. Believe me .... the 'glass is much more of a brute than the 3/8-3/4 spinnerbait rod. 

   Don't worry and obsess. Fishing is FUN. It's one of the few activities on Earth in which more learning is MORE fun. I've learned a heck of a lot about both equipment and techniques. In some cases, the answer to my curiosity was, "Nope!", but the greatest preponderance was just .... well, great fishing.   ?

   Good luck!        jj

  

Thank you what gear ratio are you throwing on those rods if you don’t mind me asking I have the 6.3:1 tatula elite on the rip n chatter and on my 7’ mh/mf 6.3:1 steez sv tw

[jimmyjoe]

10 minutes ago, Miken216 said:

Thank you what gear ratio are you throwing on those rods if you don’t mind me asking

 

   On the H/M I have the Shimano TranX 300a. Gear ratio is only 5.8:1, but IPT is 30", by virtue of the 300's greater spool diameter.

   Right now, I have a Shimano Citica 200i on the MH/MF. It's 6.4:1, I believe.

   The best gear ratio for you is entirely your choice. You might love the reel and gear ratio that some guy next to you is fishing, and then again you might hate it. Experience is the best teacher.

   A good English teacher comes in a close second.    ????     jj

[FishTank]

I would say no as well.  I have the 7'2'' M Legend Glass and I love it for crankbaits but not for spinnerbaits and especially not for chatterbaits.   The rod itself is too slow for this purpose.   For me, I like a 7' or longer M or MH Fast or X-fast.  My favorite is an NRX 853C.

[Miken216]

1 hour ago, FishTank said:

I would say no as well.  I have the 7'2'' M Legend Glass and I love it for crankbaits but not for spinnerbaits and especially not for chatterbaits.   The rod itself is too slow for this purpose.   For me, I like a 7' or longer M or MH Fast or X-fast.  My favorite is an NRX 853C.

Well yeah I want a legend glass bad for a crank bait rod but I’ve been contemplating the 7’2 mm or the 7’4 mhm I already own the rip n chatter mojo glass I just haven’t been able to use it yet 

[jimmyjoe]

1 hour ago, Miken216 said:

    ... I already own the rip n chatter mojo glass I just haven’t been able to use it yet 

 

   Patience, my friend ..... patience. It's a virtue.     ????    jj

[frogflogger]

Have caught thousands of bass on spinnerbaits with glass rods over the years. Back a few years we sharpened our hooks but the hooks now are much sharper. I still prefer glass for many applications

[TBAG]

My 610 MM Legend Glass is my favorite rod I've ever owned for crankbaits, it's an absolute gem. But with that said, I wouldn't fish chatterbaits with it.

[A-Jay]

While most of my vibrating jigs are presented on a composite stick,

these glass rods get more than occasional duty.

IMO, they are an acquired taste.

Still effective, but need to be 'fished' differently to be effective. 

Seems everything happens 'slower', which isn't always a bad thing. 

 

A-Jay

[Miken216]

2 hours ago, A-Jay said:

While most of my vibrating jigs are presented on a composite stick,

these glass rods get more than occasional duty.

IMO, they are an acquired taste.

Still effective, but need to be 'fished' differently to be effective. 

Seems everything happens 'slower', which isn't always a bad thing. 

 

A-Jay

What do you mean by slower 

[A-Jay]

2 hours ago, Miken216 said:

What do you mean by slower 

@Miken216

I'll explain it, but I'll also warn you in advance, this might be a little long of an answer for what seems like such a simple question.  

So first off, I'm not totally sure what your level of experience bass fishing is, however previous posts and the question itself, leads me to believe you may have only been bass fishing for a short period of time; relatively speaking.

The reason I mentioned that is because there was a time (back a few years and perhaps before you started fishing) when most all bass rods where fiberglass. So those of us who used them, sort of have an idea how they fish.

And we may each describe what that is like a little differently.

If the majority of ones bass fishing is more recent and revolves around graphite blanks and braided line or even fluorocarbon line, that's what they know and are acclimated to.

But that is very different from the glass rod experience in my mind. 

Unfortunately, IMO, regardless of how I go on to 'describe' what fishing a glass rod is like,

a graphite rod angler may never really get it, until they experience it for themselves.

Glass & Graphite fish differently, I can not say one is better than the other, just different.

I also need to note here that I do honestly believe that a quality Composite blank can be the best of both worlds. 

I have & fish several - All Season. 

There's all kinds of info & articles discussing the two blank materials.

There also quite a bit of mis-information that mentions how glass blanks lack 'power'.

When using the right rod, that is Not accurate in my book.

Finally here are what I would consider 'the differences' between Graphite & Glass.

Glass & Graphite blanks of equal length and action, the Glass is usually a little thicker walled and a bit heavier. 

Glass rods are almost always far more parabolic, but not necessarily less powerful.

The above characteristic makes Glass very cast friendly.  

Whether these differences enhance or worsen a particular presentation, is and will always be in my mind,

a personal preference.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

YMMV

A-Jay

 

 

 

 

 

[RoLo]

 

I would only reiterate the obvious.

Graphite is harder than fiberglass, it rebounds faster and transmits vibration better then fiberglass.

The action of fiberglass is sometimes described as 'mushy', but mushy is often the goal,

such as with treble hooks or braided line.

 

When it comes down to power, it really depends on how you measure power.

For sheer torque, graphite wins, but for long-term durability, fiberglass wins.

The biggest downfall of graphite is 'brittleness'. Over time, graphite fibers crystallize and ultimately rupture.

For this reason, bluewater anglers (tuna, shark, billfish) typically prefer E-glass blanks over graphite blanks.

 

Roger

[Miken216]

5 minutes ago, RoLo said:

 

I would only reiterate the obvious.

Graphite is harder than fiberglass, it rebounds faster and transmits vibration better then fiberglass.

The action of fiberglass is sometimes described as 'mushy', but mushy is often the goal,

such as with treble hooks or braided line.

 

When it comes down to power, it really depends on how you measure power.

For sheer torque, graphite wins, but for long-term durability, fiberglass wins.

The biggest downfall of graphite is 'brittleness'. Over time, graphite fibers crystallize and ultimately rupture.

For this reason, bluewater anglers (tuna, shark, billfish) typically prefer E-glass blanks over graphite blanks.

 

Roger

Well the only reason I was asking on this topic was I just purchased the rip n chatter by st croix the mojo glass version Idk I was using my sweeper spinner tournament legend and it just didn’t feel good with the chatter bait I mean don’t get me wrong I’ve caught fish with throwing chatters I was at point where I was contemplating buying this rod but still ended up purchasing I just haven’t got an opportunity to use it yet and that was the other thing I was thinking since it’s a heavy power should I just put 50lb braid and let it rip I currently have 15lb Floro on it with the tatula elite 6.3 and yeah I’m still getting the hang of things when it comes to this sport but I’m hooked and trying to be the best I can be and versatile as well 

[Columbia Craw]

I agree with A-Jay but might add a thought or two..  Vibrating jigs develop their action or movement by shifts in the manner water contacts the blade, develops pressure until the pressure is channeled to one side of the blade or the other.  This is the same principal in a billed crankbait.  The shift in the pressure or resistance is so rapid in establishes a vibration.

 

The vibration or rapid shifts in the waters shifting off the blade can be enhanced with a rod that has a slower or delayed reaction to the give and take of the pulsating of water shifting off the bill.  Like many others, I like a rod that has the delayed reaction but you don't have to fish an all glass rod to get that benefit. There are graphite rods that have this characteristic.  The application of glass and graphite composites has been very successful.  Power, lighter weight, sensitivity of graphite in the lower two thirds withe the delayed response of glass in the upper third has been effective.

 

The give and take reaction of glass and or composite rods ( and some moderate graphite ) has another benefit and that is cushioning or absorbing stress which might lead to bending lighter treble hooks and more importantly tearing the hooks from soft tissue.  How you choose to capitalize a delayed reaction or " slower" action is up to the angler.  Just my two cents. 

[JediAmoeba]

I used to fish a lot of spinnerbaits on glass and never had a problem - still don't.  But darn it if all those fish I had hooked didnt shake the hook on my Jackhammers.  It was to the point it was about a 50/50 toss up and I didn't have the bone to steer the fish where I wanted.  I suppose you can make due, but it isnt my cup of tea.  I was using a 7'6" MH crankbait rod....

[Miken216]

31 minutes ago, JediAmoeba said:

I used to fish a lot of spinnerbaits on glass and never had a problem - still don't.  But darn it if all those fish I had hooked didnt shake the hook on my Jackhammers.  It was to the point it was about a 50/50 toss up and I didn't have the bone to steer the fish where I wanted.  I suppose you can make due, but it isnt my cup of tea.  I was using a 7'6" MH crankbait rod....

I got 7’2 h/m glass 

[Dirtyeggroll]

Seems like it’d be hard to drive a jig hook with a crankbait rod.