Spinning reels just aren’t fun anymore

[evo2s197]

10 minutes ago, NOC 1 said:

Pretty much what I was thinking..

Your a Sassy thing aren't you.

[RoLo]

 

 

Spinning Gear Should Only Be Used For Finesse Fishing

 

 

 

 

[NOC 1]

12 hours ago, waymont said:

I think you need to re-read this post. He said he has 50/50 spinning gear.

I think I understand the post. I do not believe that he is talking down bait-casters. He is talking down the people that are saying that casting works well for finesse.

 

The parts I disagree with are that in spite of several people who actually fish the finesse techniques with casting gear saying so, the post goes on as if it were a known fact that you have to use spinning gear in some cases. That just isn't true. The point is that you DON"T have to give up a boat load of fish because you prefer to use casting gear for finesse.

 

And the other thing is that those of us saying casting is good for finesse too, are not saying so because "they have that faux macho man mentality" nor is anyone "insist on using casting" because 'your a Masochist then it all makes sense". .

 

Maybe it's true that HE would have to give up on half the fish, if so, most likely because he, preferring to use the spinning gear in these situations, doesn't have bait casting gear that will work very well for finesse. I have no problem with that at all. Everybody does what they like. It's a good thing.

 

I have a PX68R with a 7gm spool and ceramic bearings that I really can't use #10 line on because with no lure on it, if I have more than 3' or so of bare line out on it it will pull line off the spool. I have no trouble whatsoever using it for finesse techniques.

 

There are a few limitations of course. But none that apply to bass fishing as far as I can see. I almost alway use spinning gear fishing for Crappie, not because I can't use casting gear, but because sometimes you want a 10-12' L rod and those are spinning rods.

 

Other times I just use a spinning rig just because I want to use a spinning rig. I like and use them both, but not because I have to to fish finesse.

 

 

 

 

10 hours ago, J Francho said:

I have one example, deep drop shot.  While you're waiting for the bait to hit the bottom in 40'+ water, thumbing your spool, I'm setting the hook into a big smallie.  It's more efficient to use spinning gear in this instance.  Other than this situation, I can't think of when casting/spinning matters, and totally agree.

I haven't noticed that so much on vertical drops, but one place I have noticed something like that is long casting lighter Carolina rigs to the deep water. The light finesse spools don't have enough line, and the casting spools that have enough line are heavy enough so that the weight of the lure, once it hits the water isn't enough to turn the spool fast enough so it seems like the bait gets pulled toward the boat as it falls. Not a good thing if you are trying to drop the bait in a particular spot.

35 minutes ago, evo2s197 said:

Your a Sassy thing aren't you.

I give what I get..

[JustJames]

Another example of putting spinning is good use.

 

[evo2s197]

13 minutes ago, NOC 1 said:

I give what I get..

That's the spirit, your not half bad after all.

 

My 3 finesse baitcasters are all Alphas CT SV's, can they do mostly everything my ML - L spinning rods do?.. yes, do the baitcasters do it better? no, they can do it almost as well, but that's just not good enough for me, plus I prefer the drag on my finesse spinning reels over a BFS reel when it comes to these larger California fish.

 

My finesse BFS setups I use mostly for tiny poppers and jerkbaits in ponds, or if I wanna live life dangerously out on Clearlake with those footballs with fins.

[Mobasser]

I believe what the OP was trying to say in this thread is: He has been using spinning tackle for some time. Now, he's gotten some casting gear, and likes it better. It could have easily been the other way around. No big deal. Navy Vet1204, I hope you have good luck with your casting gear. Fish what works best for you. It's all good....

[NOC 1]

4 minutes ago, evo2s197 said:

That's the spirit, your not half bad after all.

 

My 3 finesse baitcasters are all Alphas CT SV's, can they do mostly everything my ML - L spinning rods do?.. yes, do the baitcasters do it better? no, they can do it almost as well, but that's just not good enough for me, plus I prefer the drag on my finesse spinning reels over a BFS reel when it comes to these larger California fish.

 

My finesse BFS setups I use mostly for tiny poppers and jerkbaits in ponds, or if I wanna live life dangerously out on Clearlake with those footballs with fins.

Yeah, I think they are not equivalent per se, but there is maybe 90% overlap within which a fisherman is going to choose based on a number of things. Sometimes the spinning might be a little better at this or that, but not enough better so that it would out weigh the better accuracy of the caster for example.

 

Sometimes the slight disadvantage of one or the other just isn't big enough to overcome the fact that most people will have a preference for using one more than the other. At the extremes you pretty much ought to use one or the other. I can't imagine throwing little 1/16 fly baits better on a caster, and I wouldn't care to throw a big Alabama rig on spinning reel. In both cases you COULD, but it is a major PITA to do it.

[Darren.]

24 minutes ago, Bass_Fishing_Socal said:

Another example of putting spinning is good use.

 

Dang. Rough time at the end there!

[NOC 1]

3 minutes ago, Mobasser said:

I believe what the OP was trying to say in this thread is: He has been using spinning tackle for some time. Now, he's gotten some casting gear, and likes it better. It could have easily been the other way around. No big deal. Navy Vet1204, I hope you have good luck with your casting gear. Fish what works best for you. It's all good....

Yep, that's they way I took it too. I'm sort of the same way. I'll go for a while using nothing but casting gear, then I'll get a yearn to use a spinning set-up for some reason and then once I do I'll remember that I like it and be into that for a while.

 

Right now I'm kind of getting to that point. I have my casting gear pretty well set, and I keep thinking about how I haven't used much of my spinning gear (other than L/UL) for a couple of years and  I am noticing that my casting gear is much better stuff than my spinning stuff....yep, the bait monkey is starting to chatter about spinning gear...

[brophog]

39 minutes ago, NOC 1 said:

I almost alway use spinning gear fishing for Crappie, not because I can't use casting gear, but because sometimes you want a 10-12' L rod and those are spinning rods.

 

Then you have to convert it into a casting rod.

 

It’s not as much a case that casting reels can’t do what a spinning reel can, it’s that it takes more expense, time, and effort to get there. For some, that’s just not worth it. For others, that added experience is what makes it worth it.

[NOC 1]

1 minute ago, brophog said:

 

Then you have to convert it into a casting rod.

 

It’s not as much a case that casting reels can’t do what a spinning reel can, it’s that it takes more expense, time, and effort to get there. For some, that’s just not worth it. For others, that added experience is what makes it worth it.

Actually I have been thinking about doing something like that. At this point I'm looking for particular oddball rods and I've been thinking the last 6 months or so, that maybe I ought to get into making my own rods. I would love to have an 8' UL casting rod and I could build that using a spinning blank...

[NavyVet1204]

1 hour ago, Mobasser said:

I believe what the OP was trying to say in this thread is: He has been using spinning tackle for some time. Now, he's gotten some casting gear, and likes it better. It could have easily been the other way around. No big deal. Navy Vet1204, I hope you have good luck with your casting gear. Fish what works best for you. It's all good....

That’s exactly what I was conveying Mobasser, I honestly did not intend for the thread to go the direction it wound up in.

[coak]

On 7/17/2020 at 7:49 PM, redmeansdistortion said:

Word of warning, ultralight capable baitcasters can be spendy

One exception to this general rule of thumb for me are the original ProLite reels from BPS.....I have two of them: one paired up with a 5'6" ML/F old Daiwa rod and the other paired up with a Loomis 751 spinnerbait rod.  If you can find one of these reels you would be amazed at the weights they can cast....

[optimator]

2 hours ago, NavyVet1204 said:

That’s exactly what I was conveying Mobasser, I honestly did not intend for the thread to go the direction it wound up in.

Welcome to the internet!!!?

[NOC 1]

15 hours ago, NavyVet1204 said:

That’s exactly what I was conveying Mobasser, I honestly did not intend for the thread to go the direction it wound up in.

There is nothing wrong with where this thread went. I would feel pretty good if I were you. This has drawn 5 pages of comments, hundreds of views and has contained a lot of real opinion sharing. Threads go where they want to go once they are started. If this thread went somewhere it is because there was a need for the discussion.

 

There is nothing wrong with a little dissension and back and forth. That is how things are moved ahead. You get nowhere by sitting in a circle and nodding heads in Groupthink lockstep. It is not necessary to come to agreement on everything and a compromise does not HAVE to be reached.

 

While there is certainly nothing wrong with the short little advice column threads where, like the old retired plumber working at Home Depot, you are simply answering the same old questions for newbies over and over. In fact these type of threads are a real service. BUT.....you have to leave it open for the people that aren't newbies to argue over the opinions that they've formed over the years.

 

Finally, there is nothing wrong with disagreeing and arguing points in a forum. But you cannot have people resorting to Ad Hominem attacks as a part of their strategy. This thread was successful as it allowed people to argue over something that many felt needed discussed and nobody got too carried away.

 

This forum is pretty well moderated for the most part and if anything, I would expect them to kill a thread like this a little early rather than see it go too far into the mud.  Kudos to them for not pulling the plug on a healthy but lively discussion as a preventative measure.

[NavyVet1204]

18 minutes ago, NOC 1 said:

There is nothing wrong with where this thread went. I would feel pretty good if I were you. This has drawn 5 pages of comments, hundreds of views and has contained a lot of real opinion sharing. Threads go where they want to go once they are started. If this thread went somewhere it is because there was a need for the discussion.

 

There is nothing wrong with a little dissension and back and forth. That is how things are moved ahead. You get nowhere by sitting in a circle and nodding heads in Groupthink lockstep. It is not necessary to come to agreement on everything and a compromise does not HAVE to be reached.

 

While there is certainly nothing wrong with the short little advice column threads where, like the old retired plumber working at Home Depot, you are simply answering the same old questions for newbies over and over. In fact these type of threads are a real service. BUT.....you have to leave it open for the people that aren't newbies to argue over the opinions that they've formed over the years.

 

Finally, there is nothing wrong with disagreeing and arguing points in a forum. But you cannot have people resorting to Ad Hominem attacks as a part of their strategy. This thread was successful as it allowed people to argue over something that many felt needed discussed and nobody got too carried away.

 

This forum is pretty well moderated for the most part and if anything, I would expect them to kill a thread like this a little early rather than see it go too far into the mud.  Kudos to them for not pulling the plug on a healthy but lively discussion as a preventative measure.

Gotcha. I was starting to think that it was brewing a little hostility lol thank you

[NOC 1]

5 minutes ago, NavyVet1204 said:

Gotcha. I was starting to think that it was brewing a little hostility lol thank you

I didn't see any real hostility, maybe a just a touch of tempers and some "witty repartee" here and there. Trust me, it was a good thread. This thread has over 2,200 views. You have to go back quite a ways to find a thread that had more views than this one, so somebody found it interesting I'd say.

[TnRiver46]

23 hours ago, brophog said:

 

I don’t know about you, but if I want fish most efficiently then I’m going to the grocery store.

The grocery store does not sell me 5 black bass, 15 white bass, 15 crappie, 20 bluegill and unlimited catfish everyday for a year for $30. The grocery store is also further from my house than the river . 
 

spinning reels are mucho bueno

[Nibbles]

19 hours ago, NOC 1 said:

Yep, that's they way I took it too. I'm sort of the same way. I'll go for a while using nothing but casting gear, then I'll get a yearn to use a spinning set-up for some reason and then once I do I'll remember that I like it and be into that for a while.

 

Right now I'm kind of getting to that point. I have my casting gear pretty well set, and I keep thinking about how I haven't used much of my spinning gear (other than L/UL) for a couple of years and  I am noticing that my casting gear is much better stuff than my spinning stuff....yep, the bait monkey is starting to chatter about spinning gear...

That bait monkey chatter is why I recently ordered a pair of nicer JDM spinners.

 

Have an OG Fuego 1000 and Fuego LT 2500, but they just can't compete with my higher-end finesse oriented casters in terms of feel, smoothness, build quality, etc.

 

Now I need to find a 2nd rod to match my 2nd new spinning reel... 

[J Francho]

1 hour ago, BaitFinesse said:

A block of wood, some string, a hook and some worms from the garden is all you need.

What’s the IPT?

[MN Fisher]

22 minutes ago, J Francho said:

What’s the IPT?

If it's a 1"x1" - pretty slow. If it's a 4"x12" - quite a bit faster.

[Nibbles]

21 hours ago, NOC 1 said:

Actually I have been thinking about doing something like that. At this point I'm looking for particular oddball rods and I've been thinking the last 6 months or so, that maybe I ought to get into making my own rods. I would love to have an 8' UL casting rod and I could build that using a spinning blank...

The Celilo 802UL might be right up your alley then. Not very expensive either.

 

https://www.tacklehaven.com/okuma-celilo-specialty-rods-casting-kokanee-choose-your-model/

 

Or the SST-C-802UL

 

https://www.tacklehaven.com/okuma-sst-casting-rods-choose-your-size-model/

[NavyVet1204]

This thread reminds me that I need to tear down my spinning reels for some due cleaning and lube.

[billmac]

I have never liked spinning tackle.  I use it, but I'm just not comfortable with it, and never have been.  I find spinning reels to be very awkward.  I'm actually thinking of getting a higher end spincast outfit to throw my light stuff.

[NavyVet1204]

9 minutes ago, billmac said:

I have never liked spinning tackle.  I use it, but I'm just not comfortable with it, and never have been.  I find spinning reels to be very awkward.  I'm actually thinking of getting a higher end spincast outfit to throw my light stuff.

My wife wanted to catfish the other evening while I was bass fishing so I got her set up on a spinning setup with a Carolina rig and when I cast it out for her it felt weird lol