Trouble with Invisx?

[GetFishorDieTryin]

I got a spool of 12lb seaguar invisx a few months ago. When I spooled it up I was excited to use it.  It was supple had almost no memory and very little stretch.  I loved it at first casted great an easy to manage.  The first time I really got snagged into something I couldn't get out I noticed I broke the line with very little force like maybe 7 or 8 lbs.  I figured it was just a bad knot but a few days later same thing happened.  I noticed that it doesn't deal with abrasion real well but I constantly check my line and retie often.  I have caught a some monster bass on it, but if I had to get a good fish out of any kind of cover I know 100% this line would fail.  Ive been a fan of seaguar floro for over 10 years, but this gives me doubts.  I did buy this from a BPS sale so it may have been sitting around for years but even then it shouldn't be that weak.  Invisx has mostly rave reviews so I think it just may be a dud spool.  Im going to give Invisx 1 more chance and then make up my mind from there...Has anyone else had issues with this line?  What line do you recommend instead of 12lb InvizX?  TY 

[dodgeguy]

Sufix Advance Mono. Less stretch and more sensitive. Handles far better and test stronger than rated.

[Tywithay]

I'd bump it to 15lb. 12lb Invizx is about the same diameter as most 8 or 10lb mono. It's relatively stretchy as fluorocarbons go in exchange for handling nicely. Doesn't offer much abrasion resistance in the thinner pound lines.

[GetFishorDieTryin]

I use the red label 15 but its got to much memory and I don't like how shallow it makes my crankbaits run.  I love how the InvisX handles its just to weak but like I said I think its a dud spool.  Thanks for the advice.

[Mr Swim Jig]

I use Inviz-X in water with little to no cover, if fishing cover I prefer Abraz-X...

 

I have never had any Seaguar fluorocarbon line fail when put to the test....

[Team9nine]

Maybe two bad knots, especially if you used the same knot each time ? Also possible you had a bad spool. I use a lot of InvizX without issue, partly because its knot strength is on par or even better than some monos (nylon).

[A-Jay]

FC tip ~ 

Once it's subjected to a very heavy strain, like heaving on it while snagged until it fails, 

the entire length of line subjected to the strain, has been compromised some what.

From the bait right into the reel. 

If that action is done over and over to the same length of line,

it will get weaker & weaker and just keep right on failing:

regardless of the knot used.

Best course of action is to Pull OFF and discard ALL the line that gets subjected to a strain sufficient to break the line and fish with 'fresh line'.

You're Welcome.

A-Jay

 

[jbrew73]

13 minutes ago, A-Jay said:

FC tip ~ 

Once it's subjected to a very heavy strain, like heaving on it while snagged until it fails, 

the entire length of line subjected to the strain, has been compromised some what.

From the bait right into the reel. 

If that action is done over and over to the same length of line,

it will get weaker & weaker and just keep right on failing:

regardless of the knot used.

Best course of action is to Pull OFF and discard ALL the line that gets subjected to a strain sufficient to break the line and fish with 'fresh line'.

You're Welcome.

A-Jay

 

 

This

[FishTank]

I have been using the same line for years without issue.  I currently have it on 8 different set ups.  I have caught a ton a fish this year without a single break (unless I had to break the line because of a snag).   I also never have had an issue with abrasion and I fish around rocks and cover pretty much every week.   

 

If you want to change, I would go with Tatsu.  Best line I have ever used. 

 

The 12lb Invizx on this reel was put on back in February.  It is my jerkbait set up.  It gets fished as much as anything but this line probably gets abused the most.  Long casts, hard rips and hook sets and tons of fish.  The line still performs like new.

 

[GetFishorDieTryin]

3 hours ago, A-Jay said:

FC tip ~ 

Once it's subjected to a very heavy strain, like heaving on it while snagged until it fails, 

the entire length of line subjected to the strain, has been compromised some what.

From the bait right into the reel. 

If that action is done over and over to the same length of line,

it will get weaker & weaker and just keep right on failing:

regardless of the knot used.

Best course of action is to Pull OFF and discard ALL the line that gets subjected to a strain sufficient to break the line and fish with 'fresh line'.

You're Welcome.

A-Jay

 

Well Thank You very much for the advice A-Jay, but Come on man...You learn that kinda stuff on Blues Clues...Now I don't know everything nor will I ever, but I'm pretty sure when you hold the spool or lock the drag down and lean into a snag until the line breaks its not only bad for line it can also be bad for the reel.  I take a rag or towel, wrap it around my hand, then wrap the line around the rag a few times to and then I put enough tension on it to break the line.  This line is on SLX DC that's on a 7'1 M F Muse.  I usually have my drag about 5 or 6 pounds on that set up.  Even if i pull until the drag slips it doesn't come close to stretching the line to the point of damage.  Ive used Red label, Blue Label, Premier, P Line Tactical, Shinsei, Hi SEAS Quattro, Hi SEAS 100% Flurocarbon, Trilene 100% Flurocarbon, Yo Zuri HD Flurocarbon and a few of others that I cant recall the exact name of in similar ways, from 4lb to 60lb  and have never had any unwarranted breakage issues like this.  Like I had stated in my original post, its most definitely a dud spool.  Even the "fresh line" from the 140+ yards still on the factory spool that hasn't even been wet breaks anywhere from about 6 to 9lbs.  Im using a boga measure the tension, so its hard to tell exactly when it breaks but its close enough.  I was just curious if anyone had issues with there InvizX?

O yea...If you learned anything A-Jay

YOUR WELCOME

 

 

[GetFishorDieTryin]

4 hours ago, FishTank said:

I have been using the same line for years without issue.  I currently have it on 8 different set ups.  I have caught a ton a fish this year without a single break (unless I had to break the line because of a snag).   I also never have had an issue with abrasion and I fish around rocks and cover pretty much every week.   

 

If you want to change, I would go with Tatsu.  Best line I have ever used. 

 

The 12lb Invizx on this reel was put on back in February.  It is my jerkbait set up.  It gets fished as much as anything but this line probably gets abused the most.  Long casts, hard rips and hook sets and tons of fish.  The line still performs like new.

 

Yea tatsu would be great but this whole experience has got me thinking I could get another dud spool from Seaguar no matter how good the line is.  Odds are it wont happen.  If I paid for the Tatsu i would definitely be contacting seaguar and asking for a refund or another spool of line. I have 4 casting setups and I use 2 of them 90% of the time.  I change my line about 3 or 4 times a year on the 2 reels especially when the line starts to get nasty lookin and that adds up if your using tatsu.  Ill give InvizX 12lb one more chance after that ill get some tatsu for my the metanium i got coming(I cant wait).  Thanks for the advice.

[A-Jay]

7 hours ago, Rusty_Shackleford said:

Well Thank You very much for the advice A-Jay, but Come on man...You learn that kinda stuff on Blues Clues...Now I don't know everything nor will I ever, but I'm pretty sure when you hold the spool or lock the drag down and lean into a snag until the line breaks its not only bad for line it can also be bad for the reel.  I take a rag or towel, wrap it around my hand, then wrap the line around the rag a few times to and then I put enough tension on it to break the line.  This line is on SLX DC that's on a 7'1 M F Muse.  I usually have my drag about 5 or 6 pounds on that set up.  Even if i pull until the drag slips it doesn't come close to stretching the line to the point of damage.  Ive used Red label, Blue Label, Premier, P Line Tactical, Shinsei, Hi SEAS Quattro, Hi SEAS 100% Flurocarbon, Trilene 100% Flurocarbon, Yo Zuri HD Flurocarbon and a few of others that I cant recall the exact name of in similar ways, from 4lb to 60lb  and have never had any unwarranted breakage issues like this.  Like I had stated in my original post, its most definitely a dud spool.  Even the "fresh line" from the 140+ yards still on the factory spool that hasn't even been wet breaks anywhere from about 6 to 9lbs.  Im using a boga measure the tension, so its hard to tell exactly when it breaks but its close enough.  I was just curious if anyone had issues with there InvizX?

O yea...If you learned anything A-Jay

YOUR WELCOME

 

 

Had to look up the Blues Clues thing.

So I did learn something, Thank You.

Clearly there are all levels of experience & skill reading these threads.

Often it's challenging to determine just where an OP may lie along that line.

Keeping responses somewhat basic, can assist in not excluding members

who may read & need information the most.

I apologize if the tone of my response here missed the mark.

After re-reading it, I can see that.

Either way, the information passed is accurate & applicable.

Good Luck with your fishing line challenges

A-Jay

 

 

 

[jimmyjoe]

   Please allow me to throw a monkey wrench into this conversation.

   I have 12 lb. InvizX on a Curado 70, and it performs fine. But one of the reasons it performs fine is that the rod is a M/MF crankin' rod. I re-read your original post, and you don't mention the rod that you're using.

   Personally, I would NOT put FC line on a hard-tip rod. I know, I know .... some people do and they have good luck. But I wouldn't. YMMV.

   Secondly: there are three methods for rating line strength. I call them American Underrated, American Accurate, and Japanese.

   American Underrated is like Big Game, CXX, McCoy Mean Green and Trilene XT. If you look at the diameter, it's in line with line rated at least a full step stronger. The manufacturer rates the line for the absolute worst possible conditions you can imagine and tries to insure that the line will come through for the fisherman.

   American Accurate is just that; an accurate rating for the capabilities of the line, but rated for American ideas of line use. Trilene XL, Maxima Ultragreen and Stren Original are some.

   Japanese rating are different. As you can see, American advertising of line characteristics is all over the place. There is no regulatory board with oversight capabilities.

   The Japanese domestic standards are (evidently) based on some sort of standardized tensile strength methodology.  This results in a slightly more optimistic test rating than the American rating method. In other words (and I approximate here), 12 lb. test Japanese Domestic is equivalent to 10 lb. test American Accurate which is equivalent to 8 lb. test American Underrated.

   To muddy the waters even more, the Japanese have reacted to the love of some American fishermen for underrated line and are marketing line with tests not in line with the Japanese standards.

   One of the characteristics that American companies take into effect is shock strength. Shock strength applies both to the straight line and the knotted line, but the shock strength of the knotted line (knot strength) is much more obvious. That's one area where fluorocarbon falls behind nylon. A stiff-tipped rod would, naturally, make it a little worse.

   NO MATTER WHAT THE ADVERTISING SAYS, FLUOROCARBON IS NOT LIKE NYLON.

   When I finally chose 12 lb. InvizX, I mentally put it on a level with 8 lb. Trilene XT. I think I got that right. For use on a cranking rod, I like it a LOT better than Stren or Trilene.

   But I have no illusions regarding its inherent strength. I know it's rated by the Japanese system. I can live with that. ?

   So ...... maybe you'll want to go with 15 lb. test FC line.

   Maybe you'll decide you don't like FC line because of its reaction off a snag.

   It's for you to decide.

 

   Hope this helps you.         jj

  

[FishTank]

8 hours ago, Rusty_Shackleford said:

Yea tatsu would be great but this whole experience has got me thinking I could get another dud spool from Seaguar no matter how good the line is.  Odds are it wont happen.  If I paid for the Tatsu i would definitely be contacting seaguar and asking for a refund or another spool of line. I have 4 casting setups and I use 2 of them 90% of the time.  I change my line about 3 or 4 times a year on the 2 reels especially when the line starts to get nasty lookin and that adds up if your using tatsu.  Ill give InvizX 12lb one more chance after that ill get some tatsu for my the metanium i got coming(I cant wait).  Thanks for the advice.

Not a huge advocate for Seaguar as a whole.  A few of their lines have been OK to not OK for me, like Red Label (not good), Smackdown (just ok, Kazan worked better for me), and Senshi (discontinued, good at first but faded fast).  Ones I like> Invizx, Tatsu, and Abrazx.   

 

As far as changing lines, I only change Invizx once a year, sometimes two.  This to me makes it worth it and convenient.  Tatsu on the other hand, just this year I changed a set up that had Tatsu on it for 4 years and the only reason I changed it was because the spool was getting low.  This was also my primary jig and worm set up as well.  So the line was getting beat up weekly.   

 

One thing I would do is check the guides on your rod and the line guide on your reel.  Just run a q-tip through them and see if it snags.  Also, what set up are you using this line on?  And you mentioned that you picked this up on a BPS Clearance Sale.  Was it in the old package?  If so, that line could be several years old.  Was it level wound on the filler spool?  If not, it's ancient.

[OnthePotomac]

I can only add that 12, 15lb Invizx have been my go  to lines for over 5 years on the Potomac grass beds for plastics and always a uni knot to the hook.  The 12lb on a medium, 7' fast tip Carbonlite and a 7' MH fast tip and the 15lb on a 7' MH fast tip Carbonlite.  No breaking problems.  No braid involved.  Both come on a 1000yd spool.

[WRB]

Fluorocarbon fishing line is advertised as lower stretch then mono and invisible to fish with the same light refraction as water.

FC line stretches the same amount as mono under the same loads, in fact it may stretch more depending on the line diameter. The problem with FC is when it yields under strain and strectches it doesn't recover reducing the diameter therefor weakening the line that stretched.

The same thing happens with knots, strain over time weakens the line. Retie often.

The less visible then mono is a fact. Bass are not line shy fish like trout are for example, it's not a big factor. The real advantage FC offers to bass anglers is very low coefficient of drag going through water. The low drag results in less line bow and better feedback from bottom contact lures. This is the only reason I use FC line and put up with weaker knot strength and random line failures over the past 25 years of using nearly every brand.

If you over stress FC line you should replace it and it's is expensive.

Tom 

[GetFishorDieTryin]

2 hours ago, FishTank said:

Not a huge advocate for Seaguar as a whole.  A few of their lines have been OK to not OK for me, like Red Label (not good), Smackdown (just ok, Kazan worked better for me), and Senshi (discontinued, good at first but faded fast).  Ones I like> Invizx, Tatsu, and Abrazx.   

 

As far as changing lines, I only change Invizx once a year, sometimes two.  This to me makes it worth it and convenient.  Tatsu on the other hand, just this year I changed a set up that had Tatsu on it for 4 years and the only reason I changed it was because the spool was getting low.  This was also my primary jig and worm set up as well.  So the line was getting beat up weekly.   

 

One thing I would do is check the guides on your rod and the line guide on your reel.  Just run a q-tip through them and see if it snags.  Also, what set up are you using this line on?  And you mentioned that you picked this up on a BPS Clearance Sale.  Was it in the old package?  If so, that line could be several years old.  Was it level wound on the filler spool?  If not, it's ancient.

The 13 Muse uses stainless steel guides that have no inserts.  If it was sharp ceramic I wouldn't be able to put any pressure on it all.  Ive been checking the last 12 or 13 feet of the line after every break or every time I change the bait. Other then occasional abrasion from rocks or concrete theres no obvious damage to it.  Its in the current yellow box not the older packaging and the line is perfectly wound on the spool so its not a return.  Ive had excellent results with seaguar fluro until now.  I used 8 lb blue label one day in in the surf for taylor blues, I caught 73 and not a single bite off, that's pretty good.  For the money I don't think red label is bad at all as long as you don't go above 15lb test its manageable until the water gets cold.

[Efishin]

38 minutes ago, WRB said:

Fluorocarbon fishing line is advertised as lower stretch then mono and invisible to fish with the same light refraction as water.

FC line stretches the same amount as mono under the same loads, in fact it may stretch more depending on the line diameter. The problem with FC is when it yields under strain and strectches it doesn't recover reducing the diameter therefor weakening the line that stretched.

The same thing happens with knots, strain over time weakens the line. Retie often.

The less visible then mono is a fact. Bass are not line shy fish like trout are for example, it's not a big factor. The real advantage FC offers to bass anglers is very low coefficient of drag going through water. The low drag results in less line bow and better feedback from bottom contact lures. This is the only reason I use FC line and put up with weaker knot strength and random line failures over the past 25 years of using nearly every brand.

If you over stress FC line you should replace it and it's is expensive.

Tom 

While most of what you said is correct, you made a bunch of generalized statements that do not apply for all FC and all mono lines. Am I correct in saying you keep fish because most fisherman keep fish... 

 

 

[WRB]

2 minutes ago, Efishin said:

While most of what you said is correct, you made a bunch of incorrect generalized statements to do not apply for all FC and all mono lines. Am I correct in saying you keep fish because most fisherman keep fish... 

 

 

Ok, show me your factual data and we can discuse it.

You are incorrect most bass anglers don't keep their catch.

Tom

[Efishin]

Just now, WRB said:

Ok, show me your factual data and we can discuse it.

You are incorrect most bass anglers don't keep their catch.

Tom

Exactly my point!! I never said bass angler, I said fisherman which could be salt water anglers. It encompasses all. You aren't reading. You are making generalized statements about all mono and flourocarbon lines when in fact Invizx, Trilene, and Shooter are so different regarding stretch, abrasion resistance, memory. What you said is right but you can't group all as the same.

[JLewis134]

6 minutes ago, Efishin said:

Exactly my point!! I never said bass angler, I said fisherman which could be salt water anglers. It encompasses all. You aren't reading. You are making generalized statements about all mono and flourocarbon lines when in fact Invizx, Trilene, and Shooter are so different regarding stretch, abrasion resistance, memory. What you said is right but you can't group all as the same.

Agreed. Very different lines. WRB is a broken record about this topic with generalization and anecdotal evidence. Not worth the effort

 

Probably a bad batch of line since you've been fishing with FC for years and know proper knots etc. I suggest buying a different batch and you should be fine. Best of luck buddy

[GetFishorDieTryin]

57 minutes ago, WRB said:

Fluorocarbon fishing line is advertised as lower stretch then mono and invisible to fish with the same light refraction as water.

FC line stretches the amount as mono under the same loads, in fact it may stretch more depending on the line diameter. The problem with FC is when it yield under strain and strectches it doesn't recover reducing the diameter therefor weakening the line stretch.

The same thing happens with knots, strain over time weakens the line.

The less visible then mono is a fact. Bass are line shy fish like trout are for example, it's not a big factor. The real advantage FC offers to bass anglers is very low coefficient of drag going through water. The low drag results in better feedback from bottom contact lures. This is the only reason I use FC line and put up with weaker knot strength and random line failures over the past 25 years of using nearly every brand.

If you iver stress FC line you should replace it and it's is expensive.

Tom 

Are you sure about FC stretching the same amount of mono under the same load? I have a lot of trouble believing that. Its also a vague statement.  Different fluros have different amounts of stretch, same thing with mono.  Generally as a rule fluro has less stretch than mono.  Once you notice a good amount of stretch in fluro when its under load its not far from breaking.  Even if you were to compare the lowest stretch mono to the highest stretch fluro my money would be on the fluro having less stretch. 

[WRB]

27 minutes ago, Efishin said:

Exactly my point!! I never said bass angler, I said fisherman which could be salt water anglers. It encompasses all. You aren't reading. You are making generalized statements about all mono and flourocarbon lines when in fact Invizx, Trilene, and Shooter are so different regarding stretch, abrasion resistance, memory. What you said is right but you can't group all as the same.

This is Bass Resource a bass fishing forum. 

Here is some more worthless info.

The 1st FC line I used for bass fishing in 1994 was Sunline Shooter, the filler spool FC line available in the US. I still use Shooter.  The 1st FC leader I used was in 1990 Seaguar for off shore tuna and Marlin tournament fishing. I have experience in both fresh and salt water angling using FC line. The early Seagaur FC leader failed by splitting under the stress of fighting big strong fish. Most off shore tournament anglers changed to Soft Steel mono leaders. Today FC has improved leader materials. 

The best FC I found was Black Water Toray High Class but $35 for 82 yards it isn't worth it. There are lots of FC brands that are not well known.

When Trilene came out with FC they had a lot of problems, Vanish being the most notable. Trilene 100% FC was pulled back and relabeled 1 diameter size larger per lb test, i.e.; 12 lb was labeled 10 etc to solve the poor knot strength performance.

As Director of Engineering for a Aerospace company (retired) I have tested every line I used with aerospace Instron to determine knot strength, yield strength, impact strength etc at various rates of loading. Plus 25 years of on the water experince. 

Today I use 3 mono lines; Maxima 5 lb Ultra Green, 12 lb Berkley Big Game and 11 & 25 lb Sunline Armillo Nylon. 2 FC lines 12 lb Sunline Shooter and 7 lb Sniper based on on the water performance.

What is your qualifications?

Tom

 

[Heartland]

I have studied the information on FC and Mono stretch at length, they do both end up with about the same amount of stretch at comparable strengths but they do so in different manners.  In other words the stretch characteristics of the two different materials are what you figure, different.   

 

Mono line by the data tends to stretch in a fairly parabolic manner to breaking strength where FC line tends to reach a point before it begins to stretch but then does so a little less parabolic to breaking strength.

 

This has helped me make my choice in line.  

[jimmyjoe]

    This may or may not help. This was done by our own @FryDog62.

 

 

I bought into the fluorocarbon thing about 5 years ago in many respects because it is marketed as being "low stretch." I have a couple rods with no stretch braid, but also wanted to string up a few rods with straight fluorocarbon as a main line. I took a trip to Rainy Lake to target smallmouth. Lots of long casts, clear water, finesse plastics and spinnerbaits. Two of us in the boat, lots of fish and I had several long casts and hits. Whiff, whiff, whiff...

I usually don't miss that many fish. My fishing partner wasn't missing and he was having a good time letting me hear about it. So I switched back to braid on one pole and mono on the other...and started getting solid hook sets again. Made me wonder about how much stretch was in fluorocarbon.

Part of the reason I bought fluorocarbon was for its low stretch properties. Its no fun setting the hook with a rubber band. And yet that's what was happening to me. So, I decided to conduct my own independent test of 9 fluorocarbon lines versus 9 other mono or co-polymer lines. Many Fluorocarbon lines are specifically marketed as "low stretch." But compared to what? So, I decided to test them head-to-head in an effort to find out which lines truly were less stretch than the others.

My results are below. I used only 8 pound test lines in this experiment. You could do a number of different tests but the one I chose was to max the lines out and see how they stretched when pushed to their outer limits. I used a 12 foot length of line and hung an 8 pound weight from it. Lowered it slowly. Most lines would reach close to their maximum stretch after about 20-25 seconds, so at 30 seconds I took the measurement in inches. Results are listed from least stretch (in inches) to most stretch. I don't have a horse in this race and am not sponsored by anyone...just an amateur in pursuit of a good low stretch line:

All Lines Tested

• Trilene XT (Mono) 21-1/4 inches of stretch
• Yo-Zuri Hybrid (Co-polymer) 22-1/8
• Sufix Seige (Mono) 22-5/8
• P-Line CX Premium (Co-polymer) 23-1/2
• Maxima Treazure (Co-polymer) 24-1/2
• Trilene XL (Mono) 24-3/4
• Tectan Superior (Mono) 25-7/8
• Berkley Sensation (Mono) 26-1/8
• Sunline Sniper (Fluorocarbon) 26-1/2
• Gamma Touch (Fluorocarbon) 29-1/4
• Original Blue Stren (Mono) 29-3/4
• Gamma Edge (Fluorocarbon) 31-0**
• Bass Pro XPS (Fluorocarbon) 31-3/4*
• Stren 100% (Fluorocast) 31-3/4*
• Seaguar Tatsu (Fluorocarbon) 32-3/4
• P-Line 100% (Fluorocarbon) 33-0*
• Seaguar Invizx (Fluorocarbon) 36-0**
• Berkley 100% (Fluorocarbon) 38-3/8

*Line snapped once and was re-tested

** Line snapped twice - length estimated

 

Broken Down By Line Type

• 3 Co-polymer lines average stretch: 23.4 inches
• 6 Monofilament lines average stretch: 25.1 inches
• 9 fluorocarbon lines average stretch: 32.2 inches

Line Diameter

Line diameter can have an effect on stretch, but 9 of these lines all had the same diameter (.009 inches). Those lines are broken out below. The overall results are similar for the 3 different line types.

 

• P-Line CX Premium (Co-polymer) 23-1/2
• Maxima Treazure (Co-polymer) 24-1/2
• Tectan Superior (Mono) 25-7/8
• Berkley Sensation (Mono) 26-1/8
• Sunline Sniper (Fluorocarbon) 26-1/2
• Gamma Touch (Fluorocarbon) 29-1/4
• Bass Pro XPS (Fluorocarbon) 31-3/4*
• Seaguar Tatsu (Fluorocarbon) 32-3/4
• Seaguar Invizx (Fluorocarbon) 36-0**

Overall observations

• I had heard for years that Fluorocarbon line had less stretch than other lines, boy was I surprised with these results.
• Newer Co-polymer lines being marketed specifically as “low stretch” for the most part seem to be accurate.
• Monofilament tends to be somewhere in the middle, although those with a thicker diameter (i.e. Trilene XT .011 and Sufix Seige .010) did stretch less.
• Line diameter may have an effect on the stretch of certain lines, but overall, lines of the same diameter seem to reflect that Co-polymer and Monofilament lines still stretch less than Fluorocarbon.
• Fluorocarbon lines tend to break easier when stretched to their maximum breaking strength.

Curious to hear other people's feedback and if they have had similar experiences. -Fry