Light88 Posted July 7, 2020 Posted July 7, 2020 Hey guys, so I have a Lew's Mach 1 speed spool and it's been working fine in fresh and salt but all of a sudden recently the drag started slipping on me. I was catching some mackerel for bait with a sabiki and it could barely handle 3 medium sized ones but could handle them before. Anyone know why? Everything is oiled and cleaned. Also, it slips whether it has mono or braid and yes I have E-Tape on the spool to prevent line slippage. So is it the drag, reel, line, or me? Quote
Super User dodgeguy Posted July 7, 2020 Super User Posted July 7, 2020 Sounds like you got oil on the drag. 2 Quote
Heartland Posted July 7, 2020 Posted July 7, 2020 48 minutes ago, Light88 said: Hey guys, so I have a Lew's Mach 1 speed spool and it's been working fine in fresh and salt but all of a sudden recently the drag started slipping on me. I was catching some mackerel for bait with a sabiki and it could barely handle 3 medium sized ones but could handle them before. Anyone know why? Everything is oiled and cleaned. Also, it slips whether it has mono or braid and yes I have E-Tape on the spool to prevent line slippage. So is it the drag, reel, line, or me? How tight do you have the drag set? I mean are you at lockdown and still have no drag pressure. Quote
Light88 Posted July 9, 2020 Author Posted July 9, 2020 On 7/6/2020 at 7:26 PM, Heartland said: How tight do you have the drag set? I mean are you at lockdown and still have no drag pressure. It's almost at max tightness and still very little drag Quote
Heartland Posted July 9, 2020 Posted July 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Light88 said: It's almost at max tightness and still very little drag Well that would certainly seem to indicate that you have either exceeded the life of your drag system and need to replace it or there is some type of mechanical failure. Quote
Light88 Posted July 9, 2020 Author Posted July 9, 2020 Just now, Heartland said: Well that would certainly seem to indicate that you have either exceeded the life of your drag system and need to replace it or there is some type of mechanical failure. thank you for the help Quote
Super User WRB Posted July 9, 2020 Super User Posted July 9, 2020 Or it's assembled incorrectly. 3 mackerel weighing 1 to 1 1/2 each may be bait but fight harder then 3 2lb bass! Tom Quote
Heartland Posted July 9, 2020 Posted July 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Light88 said: thank you for the help Your welcome, have you had it apart for maintenance recently Quote
Super User Bankc Posted July 9, 2020 Super User Posted July 9, 2020 I had this happen to me the other day with a fairly new reel. The factory put too much oil in the reel, and apparently in the heat, some of it dropped down onto the drag washers. No matter how tight I set the drag, I couldn't get more than a pound or two of resistance from it. After loosening and resetting the drag a couple of times, and pulling on it a bit, it finally started catching and working properly again. I just had to mechanically rub some of that oil off. After the season's over, I'll take it apart and properly relube it so that I don't have to mess with that again. 1 Quote
Super User dodgeguy Posted July 9, 2020 Super User Posted July 9, 2020 5 hours ago, Bankc said: I had this happen to me the other day with a fairly new reel. The factory put too much oil in the reel, and apparently in the heat, some of it dropped down onto the drag washers. No matter how tight I set the drag, I couldn't get more than a pound or two of resistance from it. After loosening and resetting the drag a couple of times, and pulling on it a bit, it finally started catching and working properly again. I just had to mechanically rub some of that oil off. After the season's over, I'll take it apart and properly relube it so that I don't have to mess with that again. i did that oce thats why i posted the same thing. i just tightened mine down and turned the crank with my thumb on the spool. Quote
Tracy Posted September 26, 2022 Posted September 26, 2022 I have the same problem with my Lews Mach I and it’s brand new! I thought it was because I bought it as a combo! It’s horrible! Quote
FrnkNsteen Posted September 26, 2022 Posted September 26, 2022 I have heard some of the entry level Lews reels that have the Hyperlon drag washer (Spelling??) have this issue if they are stored with the drag tightened down. I have a couple LFS Speed Spools that have the thick blue drag washer and have had issues myself. I tried cleaning their drag washers with a spritz of brake cleaner on a rag. One helped,.. The other didn't and I ended up just ordering a new washer from somewhere. Quote
NavyToad Posted September 26, 2022 Posted September 26, 2022 30 minutes ago, FrnkNsteen said: I have heard some of the entry level Lews reels that have the Hyperlon drag washer (Spelling??) have this issue if they are stored with the drag tightened down. Pretty sure all reels have problems if you leave the drag tightened down. I loosen ‘em up after use every time. 1 Quote
Super User MN Fisher Posted September 26, 2022 Super User Posted September 26, 2022 The Mach 1 has Rulon drag - it's plastic and will deform if kept under pressure. https://www.lews.com/en/shop/reels/mh1ac 1 Quote
FrnkNsteen Posted September 26, 2022 Posted September 26, 2022 49 minutes ago, MN Fisher said: The Mach 1 has Rulon drag - it's plastic and will deform if kept under pressure. https://www.lews.com/en/shop/reels/mh1ac That's the one I was trying to think of... Don't know where "Hyperlon" came from... LOL!! 1 hour ago, NavyToad said: Pretty sure all reels have problems if you leave the drag tightened down. I loosen ‘em up after use every time. That may be true,..but I have not had any issues with any other drags, eapecially the ones with carbon washers. Quote
Super User MN Fisher Posted September 26, 2022 Super User Posted September 26, 2022 15 minutes ago, FrnkNsteen said: That may be true,..but I have not had any issues with any other drags, eapecially the ones with carbon washers. Oil-felt will compress and hold if left under pressure too long...reason I replace my oil-felt drag washers with carbon-fiber. 1 Quote
ska4fun Posted September 27, 2022 Posted September 27, 2022 Concerning drag problems on Doyo reels I only saw them with cardboard-like drag discs, similar to what shimano calls dartanium. Very cheap material. 1 Quote
NavyToad Posted September 27, 2022 Posted September 27, 2022 1 hour ago, ska4fun said: Concerning drag problems on Doyo reels I only saw them with cardboard-like drag discs, similar to what shimano calls dartanium. Very cheap material. If Shimano has a name for it, I guess they must be using it. So maybe the problem isn’t confined to Doyo reels unless somehow Shimano can use this cardboard-like material and magically not encounter problems with their drags. I’ve never had a problem with the drag on any of my Lews reels. 3 Quote
ska4fun Posted October 1, 2022 Posted October 1, 2022 On 9/27/2022 at 7:03 PM, NavyToad said: If Shimano has a name for it, I guess they must be using it. So maybe the problem isn’t confined to Doyo reels unless somehow Shimano can use this cardboard-like material and magically not encounter problems with their drags. I’ve never had a problem with the drag on any of my Lews reels. The cardboard-like material is found on doyo's cheapest reels, the Abu Garcia Black Max and it's derivatives. Have you ever opened your reels? Quote
NavyToad Posted October 1, 2022 Posted October 1, 2022 4 hours ago, ska4fun said: The cardboard-like material is found on doyo's cheapest reels, the Abu Garcia Black Max and it's derivatives. Have you ever opened your reels? You originally said Doyo reels. No mention about which line of Doyo reels. Yes - carbon fiber. Quote
ska4fun Posted October 1, 2022 Posted October 1, 2022 4 hours ago, NavyToad said: You originally said Doyo reels. No mention about which line of Doyo reels. Yes - carbon fiber. But infer it's usage on the brand budget line isn't in now way or form, an exercise of imagination. Quote
NavyToad Posted October 1, 2022 Posted October 1, 2022 On 9/27/2022 at 3:50 PM, ska4fun said: Concerning drag problems on Doyo reels I only saw them with cardboard-like drag discs, similar to what shimano calls dartanium. Very cheap material. OK. I’m not a mental gymnast and I thought you meant that Doyo reels have drag problems. My bad. Quote
Super User T-Billy Posted October 2, 2022 Super User Posted October 2, 2022 I set my drags and forget 'em. They stay tightened down even while in winter storage for a couple months. The only issue I've ever had was a Super Duty that was over lubed from the factory. I degreased the drag stack and it's been fine ever since. If you're having an issue with a modern drag slipping, it's probably a lube or wave washer issue. 3 Quote
Super User dodgeguy Posted October 2, 2022 Super User Posted October 2, 2022 22 minutes ago, T-Billy said: I set my drags and forget 'em. They stay tightened down even while in winter storage for a couple months. The only issue I've ever had was a Super Duty that was over lubed from the factory. I degreased the drag stack and it's been fine ever since. If you're having an issue with a modern drag slipping, it's probably a lube or wave washer issue. Totally agree and I have Lew's reels with rulon drags. 2 Quote
suzuki2903 Posted October 2, 2022 Posted October 2, 2022 Install some carbontex drag washers and be done. Quick google search will point you where to purchase them . I have two of those mach 1 reels/rod setup for hand out for friends to use and both the drag is pretty weak. Quote
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