SO IS MONO SUPERIOR TO FLOURO?

[dodgeguy]

We already know flouro doesnt stretch less. heres and interesting video that says you might be wasting your money.                                                               

          

[J Francho]

There was a thread with this last week.  Meh.  I've actually got some fluoro I'm testing that stretches *more* than typical mono.  Stretch is not a major consideration when choosing fluoro/mono type lines.  If it was, I'd be using braid.

[dodgeguy]

john watch the video they talk about all kinds of things and testing they did.

[RoLo]

 

For starters, 'fluorocarbon' is in fact 'monofilament', so we're comparing Nylon vs Fluoro (both monos).

Been around Robin's barn a couple times, and I'd go with Nylon every time (aka copolymer).

There are many variables to consider, not the least of which is knot strength & knot dependability.

 

Roger

 

[king fisher]

Neither one is better than the other.  They are both tools design for a certain job.  They both have advantages and disadvantages.  They both can be the best or worst option depending on the situation.  I prefer to use mono as my default line. If I determine floro would be better because of a certain, technique, water clarity, sink rate, etc.  Than I will switch to floro.  If I can't find a reason floro would be a significantly  better tool for the job, than I will stick with mono.     

[dodgeguy]

1 minute ago, RoLo said:

 

For starters, 'fluorocarbon' is in fact 'monofilament', so we're comparing Nylon to Fluoro (both monos).

I"ve been around Robin's barn a few times, and I'd go with Nylon every time.

To be sure, that statement will be countered by abrasion-resistance, but there's more than one way to skin a cat.

 

Roger

 

watch the video. the abrasion resistance myth is debunked.

[Team9nine]

Of the nearly 40 outfits I have sitting in the boat/garage, the number that are spooled with monofilament (nylon), both spinning and casting, is exactly ZERO. Nada. Zilch. None. I’m a nearly even split between braid (spinning primarily) and fluorocarbon (casting primarily). Sure hope I can somehow manage to still catch a few bass this year with my overpriced line choices ? jk. 

[Tywithay]

51 minutes ago, dodgeguy said:

watch the video. the abrasion resistance myth is debunked.

Did he test it under water? Another reputable site tested several different lines while wet and found that it's not a myth at all. Abrasion resistance while the line is dry is worthless information. 

[jimmyjoe]

   The only reputable testing is the testing you (or we) do ourselves. I've been exposed to a lot of new ideas since I joined here, but in every case I spent the money and time, and I saw for myself whether the material at hand was good for me or not. I don't really care whether it's good for someone else; I care only whether it's good for me.

   And yes, I'll recommend the stuff to someone else that I find useless to me. Everyone is different. They might love what I hate.

   But I expect them to find out the same way I found out; USE THE STUFF. Videos don't mean a thing. Opinions don't mean a thing. What you find out on the water is what means something.     jj

[FishTank]

I watched the video and it looks like they tested Big Game against leader material in a dry test for salt applications.  So before I toss out my two cents on this, a little disclaimer..... I don't care what line it is or the cost, if it works for what I need, it lasts a long time and I can I use with confidence (meaning, it cast well and it is consistent in knot strength and abrasion resistance from spool to spool and yard to yard within a spool).  Also, if the line is supple, it's a bonus worth paying for. 

 

My conclusion, the test these guys did, didn't prove anything to me and is sort of BS.  I checked all 20+ lines that TT did and they have developed a base line for abrasion resistance by taking the average of the lines they have tested> more data and testing done here=better results.  After reading there tests, FC is by far more abrasion resistant and last longer.   Please take the time to read.....  http://tackletour.com/menulines.html

 

Is it worth the extra cost though?  I think I will use an extreme example of my own test.  

 

I like and use to use Big Game for a few things but I would have to pull off about 30-40 yards after about every 3-4 uses because it was shot.  Do this 2 times and it is time to respool.  I fish about two 8 hour sessions a week and maybe one or two outings that last about 3-4 hours.  So typically if I used it for my main line on two rods, I would buy a new spool about once every 6-8 weeks (about 1000 yards).  As main line though, it's tough and not supple at all, it does cast well when new, and can bring some fish in but it would breakdown quickly and knot strength would be come questionable as well.  

 

Seaguar Invizx 12lb on the other hand would last me the whole year with no issues.  Often times I have one reel that has the same lure tied to it all year until I change the line (not the best idea I know) but it holds up and catches fish. 

 

My time is better spent not having to worry about line and its properties and better spent on fishing.  That to me is worth the cost. 

[Mike L]

One of the worst sources of misleading, opinionated information sometimes using convoluted reasoning is You Tube. 
Yeah, I said it!!

 

Don’t take everything you see or hear on there as factual information that disproves actual experience and trial and error 

 

 

 

 

 

Mike
 

[NYWayfarer]

4 minutes ago, FishTank said:

 

Seaguar Invizx 12lb on the other hand would last me the whole year with no issues.  Often times I have one reel that has the same lure tied to it all year until I change the line (not the best idea I know) but it holds up and catches fish. 

I guess a line would last all year if you don’t cut and re-tie lures, ever. You debunked the knot strength myth of Fluoro as well as that must be one strong knot to last all those 8 and 3-4 hour sessions without re-tying. 

 

No line besides braid lasts a year for me.  Braid only because of leaders that I despise. Even if I don’t switch lures during my session I still cut The lure and 8-12” of line when I get home. 

 

 

[Columbia Craw]

5 minutes ago, Mike L said:

One of the worst sources of misleading, opinionated information sometimes using convoluted reasoning is You Tube. 
Yeah, I said it!!

 

Don’t take everything you see or hear on there as factual information that disproves actual experience and trial and error 

 

 

 

 

 

Mike
 

 

Evidence demands a verdict.  Well put.

[waymont]

All these line threads/posts are redundant. No line type is "best", "better" or the "only line"

They are all different, and should be considered different. Use what you like.

[jbrew73]

Fake news

[BrianMDTX]

1 hour ago, Mike L said:

One of the worst sources of misleading, opinionated information sometimes using convoluted reasoning is You Tube. 
Yeah, I said it!!

 

Don’t take everything you see or hear on there as factual information that disproves actual experience and trial and error 

 

 

 

 

 

Mike
 

That is absolutely 100% untrue! In fact, I saw a video on YT that stated that everything you see on YT is factual, honest and true! 
 

?
 

 

[DitchPanda]

Let me start by saying that I don't use fluoro. I use braid mono and coplymer. So is mono superior? Absolutely not

[BrianMDTX]

I will say this, though. No matter what, I can tie a great knot in 12 lb mono in the time it takes me to try and get thin braid through the hook eye. Almost 60. The old peepers ain't what they used to be.  But I’ll also say that is practicing on some new knots, I tied a Lefty Kreh leader knot with 20 lb braid and 8 lb hybrid pretty quick. Haven’t tested it yet casting or with a fish on, but I yanked on it darned hard and it seems pretty strong. Easy to tie and small in diameter as well. 

[Tywithay]

51 minutes ago, waymont said:

All these line threads/posts are redundant. No line type is "best", "better" or the "only line"

They are all different, and should be considered different. Use what you like.

A hammer is far superior to a screwdriver if you're only pounding nails. 

 

Every type of line has its place. 

[FishTank]

2 hours ago, NYWayfarer said:

I guess a line would last all year if you don’t cut and re-tie lures, ever. You debunked the knot strength myth of Fluoro as well as that must be one strong knot to last all those 8 and 3-4 hour sessions without re-tying. 

 

No line besides braid lasts a year for me.  Braid only because of leaders that I despise. Even if I don’t switch lures during my session I still cut The lure and 8-12” of line when I get home. 

 

 

Actually the line being on this particular rod and reel (G. Loomis 844C and a Shimano Chronarch 51e this year) is a testament to how long it lasts.  The 30-40 yards that get beat up stay in pretty good shape throughout the year.   I just cut off some at the end of the year and change it the following year.   I fish this set up about once a week but it's not one that gets used as much others.   As far as the knot strength goes, I use an improved clinch knot.   And as far as the lure goes, it will remain a secret.... ?

[WRB]

I use the line that works for me where and how I fish.

5 lb Maxima Ultra Green mono, finesse spinning.

7 lb Sunline Sniper FC, finesse spinning.

11 lb Sunline Defier Arimillo or Big Game 12 lb mono, deep crankbaits, top water baitcasting.

12 lb Sunline Shooter FC, jigs and worms, baitcasting.

15 lb Berkley Big Game, mono, jigs and worms, crankbaits etc at nights, baitcasting.

25 lb Sunline Defier Armillo mono, swimbaits, baitcasting.

60 lb Fins braid, flipping, pitching, frogs at Clear Lake and the Delta.

Tom

[Bird]

Haven't used mono in over 20 years. 

 

Much prefer braid to Flouro leader in just about every application where I fish. 

 

I do admit though, I become less open minded when something works which doesn't equate to the holy grail of fishing technique. 

[JediAmoeba]

What about sink rate and wet strength?  That is one of the main reasons I use fluoro...

[Todd2]

Yes, mono is superior. Price, knot strength, stretch without deformity, handling..etc 

[clh121787]

No.