Best fluoro for squarebills

[Dirtyeggroll]

Been using 12 lb Seaguar Invizx for squarebills for about the last 2 years. After snapping off numerous crankbaits with minimal force I am ready to try something new. Yes, I check my line and very often.

 

I liked Invizx because it sinks, has good stretch and is easy to manage.

 

I am not really interested in switching to mono.

 

Anyone have a suggestion for a less fragile fluoro that I can use for squarebills?

[Mike L]

I use 12# Sunline Sniper FC for them and a lot more. 
In my opinion, It’s not as stretchy and more manageable than Invisx.  
 

 

 

 

Mike

[RoLo]

 

Anglers will concede to a fiberglass rod to have the forgiveness needed for treble hooks.

But after that huge concession, the need to avoid braided line eludes me.

 

Roger

 

[Bruce424]

maybe go up to 15lb. never had an issue with invisx. never had an issue with the knot either

[jbrew73]

Red label seems to be very strong and durable. It isn’t the most manageable line but in 12lb it should be ok.  

[Dirtyeggroll]

15 minutes ago, jbrew73 said:

Red label seems to be very strong and durable. It isn’t the most manageable line but in 12lb it should be ok.  

In my experience Red Label turns to junk with the slightest overrun or backlash. As soon as it gets a chance to kink a weak spot forms and it breaks.

 

33 minutes ago, RoLo said:

 

Wielding a fiberglass rod offers the forgiveness needed for treble hooks.

Beyond this juncture, the downside of braided line eludes me.

 

Roger

 

Ive tried braid for my finesse/light weight cranks to try to increase casting distance. It just doesn’t stand up to the rocks in my hands.

I’m using a Dobyns Champion 705cB. Loading up/give is not the issue.

 

27 minutes ago, Bruce424 said:

maybe go up to 15lb. never had an issue with invisx. never had an issue with the knot either

Hmm tried going up from 10-lb and maybe made a difference. Not really too keen on increasing the weight/diameter of line but it might be the only option.

[jimmyjoe]

1 hour ago, Dirtyeggroll said:

 .... turns to junk with the slightest overrun or backlash. As soon as it gets a chance to kink a weak spot forms and it breaks.

   IMO, this is the big weakness of FC. That's why I tried to find a line/reel combination that gave me what I wanted but did not backlash. As for knots, I had trouble with knot strength UNTIL I went to the San Diego Jam knot. End of problems for me.

   I use 12 lb. InvisX on a M/MF crankbait rod. The reel is a Curado 70.       jj

[Dirtyeggroll]

31 minutes ago, jimmyjoe said:

   IMO, this is the big weakness of FC. That's why I tried to find a line/reel combination that gave me what I wanted but did not backlash. As for knots, I had trouble with knot strength UNTIL I went to the San Diego Jam knot. End of problems for me.

   I use 12 lb. InvisX on a M/MF crankbait rod. The reel is a Curado 70.       jj

If you say you never backlash or overrun you are either a liar, not taking enough chances with casts in the wind, or not getting enough distance on your casts (haha) I am also running a Curado 70. I don’t have a problem with my knot breaking (uni knot) and with Invizx I don’t have much of a problem with kinking on backlashes. The line always breaks within a couple feet of the knot (based on crankbaits that have floated up after snapping off). It really seems like an abrasion issue.

[NorthernBasser]

17 minutes ago, Dirtyeggroll said:

If you say you never backlash or overrun you are either a liar or not taking enough chances with casts in the wind.

Well that's a nice way of treating someone who's trying to help ya out. 

[jimmyjoe]

5 minutes ago, Dirtyeggroll said:

If you say you never backlash or overrun you are either a liar or not taking enough chances with casts in the wind.

   I did not intend to put forth the idea that I NEVER backlash. I've never met a person yet ..... not anyone ..... who does not have an occasional bird's nest, and I'm included in that. Accidents happen, and I've always thought that most of them were the fault of the fisherman and not the equipment. 

  But there are line and reel co0mbinations that are definitely not prone to backlash, just as there are line and reel combinations that are much more prone to backlash. I have tried to avoid the latter for many years.

   As for broaching the idea that someone is a liar, that's something that you might think, but should not say. Couching your replies in an antagonistic manner benefits no one.       jj

  

[GReb]

I use 15lb red label on about half of my rods and never really have issues.

[Dirtyeggroll]

11 minutes ago, jimmyjoe said:

14 minutes ago, NorthernBasser said:

Well that's a nice way of treating someone who's trying to help ya out. 

      I did not intend to put forth the idea that I NEVER backlash.

As for broaching the idea that someone is a liar, that's something that you might think, but should not say. Couching your replies in an antagonistic manner benefits no one.       jj

  

Well if you didn’t say it then I wasn’t calling you a liar ;P.

 

Oh jeez guys - I didn’t mean to offend you, the “liar” comment was somewhat in jest. I’ll do better leave the humor to the face to face interactions where body language and facial expressions can cue such. Please forgive me. It wasn’t meant to be antagonistic per se. In all seriousness, I’m sorry that it came across the wrong way.

 

Yes I agree that I also have few backlashes with good equipment and some practice.

[Teal]

@Dirtyeggroll you stated that you've been using it for 2 years...is this something that has been happening the entire time, or just recently this spring?

 

If it is recent, could it be a bad batch of line? Is it possible that you have a damaged guide or something that is damaging the line? Is this the only rod that you are using this line on and is it happening on that set up as well?

 

As for a suggestion for a good floro, Sunline products are good .  I like sniper and assassin.  All my fishing buddies use PLine Tactical ans love it.  If it is as simple as switching lines, those are good one.  Ice only heard good things about invizex

[mc6524]

i’ve use 10lb Yozuri Topknot for3 year sand never had a problem.

[jimmyjoe]

30 minutes ago, Dirtyeggroll said:

Please forgive me.

   Always, my friend. Always.   jj

[NorthernBasser]

46 minutes ago, Dirtyeggroll said:

Well if you didn’t say it then I wasn’t calling you a liar ;P.

 

Oh jeez guys - I didn’t mean to offend you, the “liar” comment was somewhat in jest. I’ll do better leave the humor to the face to face interactions where body language and facial expressions can cue such. Please forgive me. It wasn’t meant to be antagonistic per se. In all seriousness, I’m sorry that it came across the wrong way.

 

Yes I agree that I also have few backlashes with good equipment and some practice.

Ahh, it's all good man! 

[Dirtyeggroll]

44 minutes ago, Teal said:

@Dirtyeggroll you stated that you've been using it for 2 years...is this something that has been happening the entire time, or just recently this spring?

 

If it is recent, could it be a bad batch of line? Is it possible that you have a damaged guide or something that is damaging the line? Is this the only rod that you are using this line on and is it happening on that set up as well?

 

As for a suggestion for a good floro, Sunline products are good .  I like sniper and assassin.  All my fishing buddies use PLine Tactical ans love it.  If it is as simple as switching lines, those are good one.  Ice only heard good things about invizex

It’s been a problem the whole time. I’ve been through several spoils of Invizx. At first I thought it was because I wasn’t checking my line enough, then I thought it was because I was using 10 lb (upped to 12lb) line.

 

It my just be something I have to accept due to the way I fish a squarebill, but I want to explore some other options first.

[jimmyjoe]

    You said that the line broke "within a couple feet" of the lure.

   If you had a crack in the bottom of one of your guides, then you'd get breakage often and consistently. But what if you had a crack in the top of the insert, the side away from the blank? Then you wouldn't run your line over the crack on the retrieve, and you wouldn't notice a pattern that was often or consistent.

   But on the backcast, the rod flexes backwards. The weight of the lure would pull the line over a crack that was situated on the top side of the insert, weakening the line. Then the retrieve would re-align everything again, and you'd not notice anything amiss.

   A few more casts, and ..... BAM!  Broken line. And the break point would be within the length of line between the line that you leave outside of the tiptop and the stripper guide or (more possible) one of the next two guides.  Possibility? 

   If you can remember accurately how much broken-off line was left on the lure and how much line you leave outside of the tiptop on a normal cast, measure backwards through your guides and pinpoint the guide at the break point. Go over it VERY carefully with a Q-TIP, checking for any signs of a crack. 

   Just a random thought.      jj

[Dirtyeggroll]

1 hour ago, jimmyjoe said:

    You said that the line broke "within a couple feet" of the lure.

   If you had a crack in the bottom of one of your guides, then you'd get breakage often and consistently. But what if you had a crack in the top of the insert, the side away from the blank? Then you wouldn't run your line over the crack on the retrieve, and you wouldn't notice a pattern that was often or consistent.

   But on the backcast, the rod flexes backwards. The weight of the lure would pull the line over a crack that was situated on the top side of the insert, weakening the line. Then the retrieve would re-align everything again, and you'd not notice anything amiss.

   A few more casts, and ..... BAM!  Broken line. And the break point would be within the length of line between the line that you leave outside of the tiptop and the stripper guide or (more possible) one of the next two guides.  Possibility? 

   If you can remember accurately how much broken-off line was left on the lure and how much line you leave outside of the tiptop on a normal cast, measure backwards through your guides and pinpoint the guide at the break point. Go over it VERY carefully with a Q-TIP, checking for any signs of a crack. 

   Just a random thought.      jj

That is a good thought. I go through all of my rods very thoroughly in the bitter-cold months here in Omaha and have never had any cotton snag on the my squarebill rod. But I will check again more thoroughly.

 

Also, I was imprecise when I said “a couple of feet” when referring to where the break occurs. A better description would have been to say there is always line remaining and an in tact knot (sometimes it’s feet and sometimes it’s inches).

[jimmyjoe]

24 minutes ago, Dirtyeggroll said:

Also, I was imprecise when I said “a couple of feet” when referring to where the break occurs. A better description would have been to say there is always line reminding and an in tact knot (sometimes it’s feet and sometimes it’s inches).

 

   Ah, I see. Oh well, so much for that thought.    jj

[jbrew73]

Why the opposition to mono? 

[rangerjockey]

Ive using the K9 FC blend for a couple years and really like it, has about the right amount of stretch and handles great. I still use invisx 10lb. for diving baits like the wart but once I run out of Invisx I'll use the K9 for that also.

[Logan S]

I really like Red Label 15lb on my squarebill rods and many others...It's my most commonly used line. All FC lines have a lifespan once spooled up and fished...The 'nicer' FC lines tend to last longer than the cheaper ones, but they all have a lifespan.  

 

If your line is breaking unexpectedly, something is wrong...Hard to say what but it's time to respool. 

 

Other than being old - you said 2 years, which would be definitely be too old - but I'm assuming that's total time and you've respooled in between....FC gets damaged if it gets overstretched and you won't really notice it most of the time.  If you've pulled off a few snags from a distance that could explain it, a fairly long section of damaged line.  When it's been overstretched it gets more brittle and can definitely break unexpectedly.  

 

 

[Schuyler93]

Personally, I’ve been buying 1000yd spools ranging from 12lb-20lb Red Label Fluorocarbon. When I’m using moving baits like Cranks, Squares, rattle-traps, spinnerbaits etc I’ll use 12-15lb and tie them on with a SAN Diego Jam Knot and I’ve had no issues unless I’m hung up real good. 

[Dirtyeggroll]

1 hour ago, Logan S said:

I really like Red Label 15lb on my squarebill rods and many others...It's my most commonly used line. All FC lines have a lifespan once spooled up and fished...The 'nicer' FC lines tend to last longer than the cheaper ones, but they all have a lifespan.  

 

If your line is breaking unexpectedly, something is wrong...Hard to say what but it's time to respool. 

 

Other than being old - you said 2 years, which would be definitely be too old - but I'm assuming that's total time and you've respooled in between....FC gets damaged if it gets overstretched and you won't really notice it most of the time.  If you've pulled off a few snags from a distance that could explain it, a fairly long section of damaged line.  When it's been overstretched it gets more brittle and can definitely break unexpectedly.  

 

 

I should have made it clear that I have been through several spools of Invizx during this time period. I respool about every month because I go through it so fast because I am retying or breaking off so often.

 

4 hours ago, jbrew73 said:

Why the opposition to mono? 

Mostly I want something that sinks. Additionally, in my experience its harder to manage. I might give it a go.